Topic: I ask how this can be Mr Presisdent???
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Sun 12/20/09 02:46 PM

Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska (the critical 60th vote for the health care legislation) has gotten a special deal for his vote - the federal government is picking up 100% of that states tab for medicaid expansion, and get this, in PERPETUITY. That means forever. It seems three other states have special deals similiar to that too - Louisiana, Vermont, Massachusetts.

And Florida has a special deal on Medicare advantage.

So it comes down to I'll only vote for the bill if I can get something for my state.







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Sun 12/20/09 02:53 PM
You seem to be surprised about this notion. For a long time, this is how politics have been. The promise of change was just empty words.

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Sun 12/20/09 02:59 PM


Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska (the critical 60th vote for the health care legislation) has gotten a special deal for his vote - the federal government is picking up 100% of that states tab for medicaid expansion, and get this, in PERPETUITY. That means forever. It seems three other states have special deals similiar to that too - Louisiana, Vermont, Massachusetts.

And Florida has a special deal on Medicare advantage.

So it comes down to I'll only vote for the bill if I can get something for my state.





Better to ask US Government than the President. Polticians have always been voted in to have the best interest of THEIR constituents. This is nothing new and nothing that is the responsibility of the president.

Think about it. Maybe your kids work for good grades and maybe not. But perhaps you offer them an allowance for good grades,,,doesnt mean they wouldnt have already gotten them, but it helps both parties get something , makes it feel like a true negotiation instead of just bullying or pressure.

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Sun 12/20/09 03:07 PM
people are corrupt and cowardly. not the government,people. the goverment isnt a building that walks around doing things,and Polticians arent aliens,and not enough people are willing to risk getting knocked down to make a stand for those that do not to be snuffed out.even a king is an average man if no one listens to them or enforces what they say.

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Sun 12/20/09 05:18 PM
Edited by crickstergo on Sun 12/20/09 05:34 PM



Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska (the critical 60th vote for the health care legislation) has gotten a special deal for his vote - the federal government is picking up 100% of that states tab for medicaid expansion, and get this, in PERPETUITY. That means forever. It seems three other states have special deals similiar to that too - Louisiana, Vermont, Massachusetts.

And Florida has a special deal on Medicare advantage.

So it comes down to I'll only vote for the bill if I can get something for my state.





Better to ask US Government than the President. Polticians have always been voted in to have the best interest of THEIR constituents. This is nothing new and nothing that is the responsibility of the president.

Think about it. Maybe your kids work for good grades and maybe not. But perhaps you offer them an allowance for good grades,,,doesnt mean they wouldnt have already gotten them, but it helps both parties get something , makes it feel like a true negotiation instead of just bullying or pressure.


noway noway noway

Your logic is so flawed....the playing field is not equal when one states medicaid expansion is prepaid and other states aren't just because you are the so called deciding vote. Your example would be correct only if all A's were given to students in one state whereas the students in other states would have to earn them. Obama is to blame because he PERSONALLY promised the American people that there would be no more backroom deals and that the days of secrecy in Washington were over. May I remind you that this is national healthcare, and should be for the fair and equal interest for all people from all states.

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Sun 12/20/09 05:27 PM
Edited by crickstergo on Sun 12/20/09 05:32 PM
Or you can look at it this way, the taxpayers from the other 49 states have to forever pay for Nebraska medicaid expansion.

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Sun 12/20/09 05:56 PM
Better to ask US Government than the President. Polticians have always been voted in to have the best interest of THEIR constituents. This is nothing new and nothing that is the responsibility of the president.

Think about it. Maybe your kids work for good grades and maybe not. But perhaps you offer them an allowance for good grades,,,doesnt mean they wouldnt have already gotten them, but it helps both parties get something , makes it feel like a true negotiation instead of just bullying or pressure.



How can you say the president has nothing to do with it?
Nelson holds out after seeing the Louisiana purchase and Obama takes the dems into a closed door meeting(love the transparency). Now all of a sudden Nebraska's medicaide is payed for forever? That doesn't raise any questions? Don't you think Obama told them to give him what he wants so we can get the votes?

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Sun 12/20/09 06:41 PM


Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska (the critical 60th vote for the health care legislation) has gotten a special deal for his vote - the federal government is picking up 100% of that states tab for medicaid expansion, and get this, in PERPETUITY. That means forever. It seems three other states have special deals similiar to that too - Louisiana, Vermont, Massachusetts.

And Florida has a special deal on Medicare advantage.

So it comes down to I'll only vote for the bill if I can get something for my state.
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ITS NOT AS BAD AS IT SOUNDS . HIS BILL IS A 1 YEAR DEAL . iT WELL BE CHANGED EVERY YEAR . And the circus goes on .200 billion for poor countrys today . can we compress the bunch and get one brain from the slop .








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Sun 12/20/09 07:11 PM




Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska (the critical 60th vote for the health care legislation) has gotten a special deal for his vote - the federal government is picking up 100% of that states tab for medicaid expansion, and get this, in PERPETUITY. That means forever. It seems three other states have special deals similiar to that too - Louisiana, Vermont, Massachusetts.

And Florida has a special deal on Medicare advantage.

So it comes down to I'll only vote for the bill if I can get something for my state.





Better to ask US Government than the President. Polticians have always been voted in to have the best interest of THEIR constituents. This is nothing new and nothing that is the responsibility of the president.

Think about it. Maybe your kids work for good grades and maybe not. But perhaps you offer them an allowance for good grades,,,doesnt mean they wouldnt have already gotten them, but it helps both parties get something , makes it feel like a true negotiation instead of just bullying or pressure.


noway noway noway

Your logic is so flawed....the playing field is not equal when one states medicaid expansion is prepaid and other states aren't just because you are the so called deciding vote. Your example would be correct only if all A's were given to students in one state whereas the students in other states would have to earn them. Obama is to blame because he PERSONALLY promised the American people that there would be no more backroom deals and that the days of secrecy in Washington were over. May I remind you that this is national healthcare, and should be for the fair and equal interest for all people from all states.


First, it would be necessary to assume the motivation was JUST because of a vote. Second, it would be unreasonable to assume that backroom deals meant that each and every meeting would be televised and transcripted for public review.. I never felt that was what he meant. Third, if it is all done in such secret,, how does it manage to find its way into these forums?

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Sun 12/20/09 07:13 PM

Better to ask US Government than the President. Polticians have always been voted in to have the best interest of THEIR constituents. This is nothing new and nothing that is the responsibility of the president.

Think about it. Maybe your kids work for good grades and maybe not. But perhaps you offer them an allowance for good grades,,,doesnt mean they wouldnt have already gotten them, but it helps both parties get something , makes it feel like a true negotiation instead of just bullying or pressure.



How can you say the president has nothing to do with it?
Nelson holds out after seeing the Louisiana purchase and Obama takes the dems into a closed door meeting(love the transparency). Now all of a sudden Nebraska's medicaide is payed for forever? That doesn't raise any questions? Don't you think Obama told them to give him what he wants so we can get the votes?


The president has nothing to do with individual politicians doing what they feel will help their constituency. And no, I dont think OBama told them to give him what he wants. Politicians negotiating did not start and will not stop with this presidency, its part of the job.