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Topic: Does the Bible treat Female and Male homosexuality different
Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Wed 05/19/10 08:51 PM
I have never seen anything to lead me to believe the discrimination against homosexuals is any different depending on sex in the bible nor from the pulpit. From the pulpit I would have to agree. But when questioned I haven't yet found a specific reference to female homosexuality, only male and for males there are a great many references. That is a discrepancy. What the significance of that is, I suppose the heart of the question. Goes along the lines of when God made the earth God made Adam and Eve. A male and female, not male and male or female and female. The people on earth would cease to exist if we all were homosexuals. That is the only reason for two different genders, for reproduction. Homosexuality benifits nothing but fleshly desire. Exactly.God also said "Go out and reproduce".Are you seriously going to tell me that "it's natural" to be a homosexual when God is telling you to go out and reproduce?God destroyed a entire city for homosexuality.I think that is proof enough he is against it.You will also not find any verses supporting same sex couples in any way anywhere in the bible. Also if you are supporting male to male relationships you are supporting sodomy.Sodomy is a sin and against Gods will.

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Wed 05/19/10 08:52 PM
It seems very clear that the issue of homosexuality in the bible is dealt with the most severe actions.It is referred to as a abomination to God.It does not matter if it is a two males or two females.It is still homosexuality.I don't know why you think a homosexual woman would get treated any different than a homosexual man.Sin is sin.I have never read anywhere in the bible where mens sins are more damaging then a womans sins.They are both equally wrong and punished equally. Corinthians 6:9-11 says "Male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders".Is that not another way of saying gay and lesbian? If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11) They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. (NIV, Romans 1:25-27) exactly, don't know why people would think it's wrong for a male to be homosexual but ok for a woman. All rules/laws apply to all. If it's wrong for the goose, it's wrong for the gander. As I mentioned before, I'm not suggesting either is right or wrong, I'm trying to understand the apparent discrepancy in the way it's treated both in the Bible and the way it's treated in todays society.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 05/19/10 08:53 PM
I have never seen anything to lead me to believe the discrimination against homosexuals is any different depending on sex in the bible nor from the pulpit. From the pulpit I would have to agree. But when questioned I haven't yet found a specific reference to female homosexuality, only male and for males there are a great many references. That is a discrepancy. What the significance of that is, I suppose the heart of the question. Goes along the lines of when God made the earth God made Adam and Eve. A male and female, not male and male or female and female. The people on earth would cease to exist if we all were homosexuals. That is the only reason for two different genders, for reproduction. Homosexuality benifits nothing but fleshly desire. Again, I do know all this, but I'm not looking for interpretation of what we think we know about "God's plan". Now I would love to see anything specific that you might have from the bible or even history that shows this. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. would be hard to be fruitful and multiply if people were homosexual.

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Wed 05/19/10 09:00 PM
It seems very clear that the issue of homosexuality in the bible is dealt with the most severe actions.It is referred to as a abomination to God.It does not matter if it is a two males or two females.It is still homosexuality.I don't know why you think a homosexual woman would get treated any different than a homosexual man.Sin is sin.I have never read anywhere in the bible where mens sins are more damaging then a womans sins.They are both equally wrong and punished equally. Corinthians 6:9-11 says "Male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders".Is that not another way of saying gay and lesbian? If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11) They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. (NIV, Romans 1:25-27) exactly, don't know why people would think it's wrong for a male to be homosexual but ok for a woman. All rules/laws apply to all. If it's wrong for the goose, it's wrong for the gander. As I mentioned before, I'm not suggesting either is right or wrong, I'm trying to understand the apparent discrepancy in the way it's treated both in the Bible and the way it's treated in todays society. What discrepancy???What are you talking about?It's right there in black and white.It is WRONG.It's treated the same was as it has ever been. "God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another." What part of that don't you understand?Women exchanged NATURAL relations for UNNATURAL ones.IN THE SAME WAY THE MEN also... Your question has been answered.Men and women who are homosexuals are sinners who are rebelling against God.What else is there to talk about?

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Wed 05/19/10 09:01 PM
I have never seen anything to lead me to believe the discrimination against homosexuals is any different depending on sex in the bible nor from the pulpit. From the pulpit I would have to agree. But when questioned I haven't yet found a specific reference to female homosexuality, only male and for males there are a great many references. That is a discrepancy. What the significance of that is, I suppose the heart of the question. Goes along the lines of when God made the earth God made Adam and Eve. A male and female, not male and male or female and female. The people on earth would cease to exist if we all were homosexuals. That is the only reason for two different genders, for reproduction. Homosexuality benifits nothing but fleshly desire. Exactly.God also said "Go out and reproduce".Are you seriously going to tell me that "it's natural" to be a homosexual when God is telling you to go out and reproduce? For this we would have to get into the discussion of the definition of natural. Frankly I think the interpretation of the word there is wrong, but that's an entirely different discussion. God destroyed a entire city for homosexuality.I think that is proof enough he is against it.You will also not find any verses supporting same sex couples in any way anywhere in the bible. Also if you are supporting male to male relationships you are supporting sodomy.Sodomy is a sin and against Gods will. Here we are back to the difference. Your examples are about male homosexuality. Do you have something similar that concerns female homosexuality? I have asked many, some who have studied quite a bit and no one has been able to show me one. Once again I'm not claiming right or wrong on it, I'm trying to understand the difference in the treatment.

Thomas3474 Joined Mon 11/10/08 Posts: 2713	Wed 05/19/10 09:18 PM
I have never seen anything to lead me to believe the discrimination against homosexuals is any different depending on sex in the bible nor from the pulpit. From the pulpit I would have to agree. But when questioned I haven't yet found a specific reference to female homosexuality, only male and for males there are a great many references. That is a discrepancy. What the significance of that is, I suppose the heart of the question. Goes along the lines of when God made the earth God made Adam and Eve. A male and female, not male and male or female and female. The people on earth would cease to exist if we all were homosexuals. That is the only reason for two different genders, for reproduction. Homosexuality benifits nothing but fleshly desire. Exactly.God also said "Go out and reproduce".Are you seriously going to tell me that "it's natural" to be a homosexual when God is telling you to go out and reproduce? For this we would have to get into the discussion of the definition of natural. Frankly I think the interpretation of the word there is wrong, but that's an entirely different discussion. God destroyed a entire city for homosexuality.I think that is proof enough he is against it.You will also not find any verses supporting same sex couples in any way anywhere in the bible. Also if you are supporting male to male relationships you are supporting sodomy.Sodomy is a sin and against Gods will. Here we are back to the difference. Your examples are about male homosexuality. Do you have something similar that concerns female homosexuality? I have asked many, some who have studied quite a bit and no one has been able to show me one. Once again I'm not claiming right or wrong on it, I'm trying to understand the difference in the treatment. I am not wasting anymore time discussing this topic that you are just going to keep dodging.I have given you bible verses that discribe homosexuality as wrong no matter if it is a male of female. Since you can't seem to read this verse I am going to put it in caps...EVEN THEIR WOMEN EXCHANGED NATURAL RELATIONS FOR UNATURAL ONES. WOMEN in the bible in the same verse describing homosexuality.If you can't process that verse I don't know what to tell you. Concerning Sodom and Gomorrah.That city was full of WOMEN also.Yes men and WOMEN were both destroyed for their sexual actions.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 05/19/10 09:18 PM
I have never seen anything to lead me to believe the discrimination against homosexuals is any different depending on sex in the bible nor from the pulpit. From the pulpit I would have to agree. But when questioned I haven't yet found a specific reference to female homosexuality, only male and for males there are a great many references. That is a discrepancy. What the significance of that is, I suppose the heart of the question. Goes along the lines of when God made the earth God made Adam and Eve. A male and female, not male and male or female and female. The people on earth would cease to exist if we all were homosexuals. That is the only reason for two different genders, for reproduction. Homosexuality benifits nothing but fleshly desire. Exactly.God also said "Go out and reproduce".Are you seriously going to tell me that "it's natural" to be a homosexual when God is telling you to go out and reproduce? For this we would have to get into the discussion of the definition of natural. Frankly I think the interpretation of the word there is wrong, but that's an entirely different discussion. God destroyed a entire city for homosexuality.I think that is proof enough he is against it.You will also not find any verses supporting same sex couples in any way anywhere in the bible. Also if you are supporting male to male relationships you are supporting sodomy.Sodomy is a sin and against Gods will. Here we are back to the difference. Your examples are about male homosexuality. Do you have something similar that concerns female homosexuality? I have asked many, some who have studied quite a bit and no one has been able to show me one. Once again I'm not claiming right or wrong on it, I'm trying to understand the difference in the treatment. doesn't really matter what verse we put up here, if you're not welcome to accept that homosexuality is an abomination you won't...... people choose to believe what they hear or not believe.

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Wed 05/19/10 09:20 PM Edited by DaveyB on Wed 05/19/10 09:53 PM
What discrepancy???What are you talking about?It's right there in black and white.It is WRONG.It's treated the same was as it has ever been. "God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another." What part of that don't you understand?Women exchanged NATURAL relations for UNNATURAL ones.IN THE SAME WAY THE MEN also... Your question has been answered.Men and women who are homosexuals are sinners who are rebelling against God.What else is there to talk about? I do understand that that is a logical interpretation of what's said. But saying "in the same way" does not mean it's in exactly the same way, it says only that they both were guilty of unnatural acts. But for now I'll give you that so we can move on a little. The discrepancy isn't just in this one passage, it is throughout the bible in the FACT that male homosexuality is mentioned all through the bible, but people have to pick at finding passages to show this about women. THAT is a discrepancy. And I personally believe that is is that discrepancy that causes our society to treat the two differently.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/19/10 10:00 PM
What discrepancy???What are you talking about?It's right there in black and white.It is WRONG.It's treated the same was as it has ever been. "God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another." What part of that don't you understand?Women exchanged NATURAL relations for UNNATURAL ones.IN THE SAME WAY THE MEN also... Your question has been answered.Men and women who are homosexuals are sinners who are rebelling against God.What else is there to talk about? I do understand that that is a logical interpretation of what's said. But saying "in the same way" does not mean it's in exactly the same way, it says only that they both were guilty of unnatural acts. But for now I'll give you that so we can move on a little. The discrepancy isn't just in this one passage, it is throughout the bible in the FACT that male homosexuality is mentioned all through the bible, but people have to pick at finding passages to show this about women. THAT is a discrepancy. And I personally believe that is is that discrepancy that causes our society to treat the two differently. but women and men ARE different, and thats not bad

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Wed 05/19/10 10:20 PM
I have never seen anything to lead me to believe the discrimination against homosexuals is any different depending on sex in the bible nor from the pulpit. From the pulpit I would have to agree. But when questioned I haven't yet found a specific reference to female homosexuality, only male and for males there are a great many references. That is a discrepancy. What the significance of that is, I suppose the heart of the question. Goes along the lines of when God made the earth God made Adam and Eve. A male and female, not male and male or female and female. The people on earth would cease to exist if we all were homosexuals. That is the only reason for two different genders, for reproduction. Homosexuality benifits nothing but fleshly desire. Exactly.God also said "Go out and reproduce".Are you seriously going to tell me that "it's natural" to be a homosexual when God is telling you to go out and reproduce? For this we would have to get into the discussion of the definition of natural. Frankly I think the interpretation of the word there is wrong, but that's an entirely different discussion. God destroyed a entire city for homosexuality.I think that is proof enough he is against it.You will also not find any verses supporting same sex couples in any way anywhere in the bible. Also if you are supporting male to male relationships you are supporting sodomy.Sodomy is a sin and against Gods will. Here we are back to the difference. Your examples are about male homosexuality. Do you have something similar that concerns female homosexuality? I have asked many, some who have studied quite a bit and no one has been able to show me one. Once again I'm not claiming right or wrong on it, I'm trying to understand the difference in the treatment. doesn't really matter what verse we put up here, if you're not welcome to accept that homosexuality is an abomination you won't...... people choose to believe what they hear or not believe. Please read what I wrote, I have not at any point condoned homosexuality for either gender. Frankly it's not my concern, that as you have rightly said, is for each one of us to decide. Check the OP I'm not here to determine if it's right or wrong, I'm hear to understand the difference in... (you know what I'm going to change this a little here to see if I can make it clearer), the difference in the amount of attention male homosexuality receives in the bible. I've pointed it out in every way I can even to the point of accepting your argument about this one passage and trying to move on. So if you're interested in that discussion then let's continue. Otherwise thanks for you input. This part is my own personal belief and it's where I'm trying to gain some insight about the topic from people that might know more than I do. The difference in the way the bible treats male and female homosexuality has had a profound effect on the way our society thinks about and treats male and female homosexuality. I'm still looking for more answers if anyone has anything. Any other places in the bible that might help or hinder the belief.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 05/19/10 10:24 PM
I have never seen anything to lead me to believe the discrimination against homosexuals is any different depending on sex in the bible nor from the pulpit. From the pulpit I would have to agree. But when questioned I haven't yet found a specific reference to female homosexuality, only male and for males there are a great many references. That is a discrepancy. What the significance of that is, I suppose the heart of the question. Goes along the lines of when God made the earth God made Adam and Eve. A male and female, not male and male or female and female. The people on earth would cease to exist if we all were homosexuals. That is the only reason for two different genders, for reproduction. Homosexuality benifits nothing but fleshly desire. Exactly.God also said "Go out and reproduce".Are you seriously going to tell me that "it's natural" to be a homosexual when God is telling you to go out and reproduce? For this we would have to get into the discussion of the definition of natural. Frankly I think the interpretation of the word there is wrong, but that's an entirely different discussion. God destroyed a entire city for homosexuality.I think that is proof enough he is against it.You will also not find any verses supporting same sex couples in any way anywhere in the bible. Also if you are supporting male to male relationships you are supporting sodomy.Sodomy is a sin and against Gods will. Here we are back to the difference. Your examples are about male homosexuality. Do you have something similar that concerns female homosexuality? I have asked many, some who have studied quite a bit and no one has been able to show me one. Once again I'm not claiming right or wrong on it, I'm trying to understand the difference in the treatment. doesn't really matter what verse we put up here, if you're not welcome to accept that homosexuality is an abomination you won't...... people choose to believe what they hear or not believe. Please read what I wrote, I have not at any point condoned homosexuality for either gender. Frankly it's not my concern, that as you have rightly said, is for each one of us to decide. Check the OP I'm not here to determine if it's right or wrong, I'm hear to understand the difference in... (you know what I'm going to change this a little here to see if I can make it clearer), the difference in the amount of attention male homosexuality receives in the bible. I've pointed it out in every way I can even to the point of accepting your argument about this one passage and trying to move on. So if you're interested in that discussion then let's continue. Otherwise thanks for you input. This part is my own personal belief and it's where I'm trying to gain some insight about the topic from people that might know more than I do. The difference in the way the bible treats male and female homosexuality has had a profound effect on the way our society thinks about and treats male and female homosexuality. I'm still looking for more answers if anyone has anything. Any other places in the bible that might help or hinder the belief. I would compare it to the physical differences between men and women. Why are people so much more appalled when a mother harms her child than when a father does? That mother CARRIES the child inside her up to nine months,, so there is a physical bond that develops differently than the males making people take the mothers nurturing role as the primary and the fathers as secondary. I think this holds true with other issues that concern PHYSICAL action. BEcause men and women are differently physically, something like a parent child bonding (on the physical level) and a sexual contact bonding (on the physical level) become quite different depending upon gender.

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Wed 05/19/10 10:31 PM
What discrepancy???What are you talking about?It's right there in black and white.It is WRONG.It's treated the same was as it has ever been. "God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another." What part of that don't you understand?Women exchanged NATURAL relations for UNNATURAL ones.IN THE SAME WAY THE MEN also... Your question has been answered.Men and women who are homosexuals are sinners who are rebelling against God.What else is there to talk about? I do understand that that is a logical interpretation of what's said. But saying "in the same way" does not mean it's in exactly the same way, it says only that they both were guilty of unnatural acts. But for now I'll give you that so we can move on a little. The discrepancy isn't just in this one passage, it is throughout the bible in the FACT that male homosexuality is mentioned all through the bible, but people have to pick at finding passages to show this about women. THAT is a discrepancy. And I personally believe that is is that discrepancy that causes our society to treat the two differently. but women and men ARE different, and thats not bad Via Le Difference! LOL, yes I agree completely. The Bible treats men and women differently in a number of places. But I'm thinking about this one particular difference in how pointedly and frequently the bible speaks of male homosexuality and how little it says about females. I did agree that this one passage comes about as close as you can get. And I can even accept that it's a reasonable assumption. But it's still an assumption and it's still only one passage. I believe this greatly effects how our society today treats the two.

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Thu 05/20/10 07:28 AM
I have never seen anything to lead me to believe the discrimination against homosexuals is any different depending on sex in the bible nor from the pulpit. From the pulpit I would have to agree. But when questioned I haven't yet found a specific reference to female homosexuality, only male and for males there are a great many references. That is a discrepancy. What the significance of that is, I suppose the heart of the question. Goes along the lines of when God made the earth God made Adam and Eve. A male and female, not male and male or female and female. The people on earth would cease to exist if we all were homosexuals. That is the only reason for two different genders, for reproduction. Homosexuality benifits nothing but fleshly desire. Exactly.God also said "Go out and reproduce".Are you seriously going to tell me that "it's natural" to be a homosexual when God is telling you to go out and reproduce? For this we would have to get into the discussion of the definition of natural. Frankly I think the interpretation of the word there is wrong, but that's an entirely different discussion. God destroyed a entire city for homosexuality.I think that is proof enough he is against it.You will also not find any verses supporting same sex couples in any way anywhere in the bible. Also if you are supporting male to male relationships you are supporting sodomy.Sodomy is a sin and against Gods will. Here we are back to the difference. Your examples are about male homosexuality. Do you have something similar that concerns female homosexuality? I have asked many, some who have studied quite a bit and no one has been able to show me one. Once again I'm not claiming right or wrong on it, I'm trying to understand the difference in the treatment. I am not wasting anymore time discussing this topic that you are just going to keep dodging.I have given you bible verses that discribe homosexuality as wrong no matter if it is a male of female. Since you can't seem to read this verse I am going to put it in caps...EVEN THEIR WOMEN EXCHANGED NATURAL RELATIONS FOR UNATURAL ONES. WOMEN in the bible in the same verse describing homosexuality.If you can't process that verse I don't know what to tell you. Concerning Sodom and Gomorrah.That city was full of WOMEN also.Yes men and WOMEN were both destroyed for their sexual actions. I agree with you here. Not hard to understand. But you have to be open minded.

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Thu 05/20/10 08:38 AM
I have never seen anything to lead me to believe the discrimination against homosexuals is any different depending on sex in the bible nor from the pulpit. From the pulpit I would have to agree. But when questioned I haven't yet found a specific reference to female homosexuality, only male and for males there are a great many references. That is a discrepancy. What the significance of that is, I suppose the heart of the question. Goes along the lines of when God made the earth God made Adam and Eve. A male and female, not male and male or female and female. The people on earth would cease to exist if we all were homosexuals. That is the only reason for two different genders, for reproduction. Homosexuality benifits nothing but fleshly desire. Exactly.God also said "Go out and reproduce".Are you seriously going to tell me that "it's natural" to be a homosexual when God is telling you to go out and reproduce? For this we would have to get into the discussion of the definition of natural. Frankly I think the interpretation of the word there is wrong, but that's an entirely different discussion. God destroyed a entire city for homosexuality.I think that is proof enough he is against it.You will also not find any verses supporting same sex couples in any way anywhere in the bible. Also if you are supporting male to male relationships you are supporting sodomy.Sodomy is a sin and against Gods will. Here we are back to the difference. Your examples are about male homosexuality. Do you have something similar that concerns female homosexuality? I have asked many, some who have studied quite a bit and no one has been able to show me one. Once again I'm not claiming right or wrong on it, I'm trying to understand the difference in the treatment. doesn't really matter what verse we put up here, if you're not welcome to accept that homosexuality is an abomination you won't...... people choose to believe what they hear or not believe. Please read what I wrote, I have not at any point condoned homosexuality for either gender. Frankly it's not my concern, that as you have rightly said, is for each one of us to decide. Check the OP I'm not here to determine if it's right or wrong, I'm hear to understand the difference in... (you know what I'm going to change this a little here to see if I can make it clearer), the difference in the amount of attention male homosexuality receives in the bible. I've pointed it out in every way I can even to the point of accepting your argument about this one passage and trying to move on. So if you're interested in that discussion then let's continue. Otherwise thanks for you input. This part is my own personal belief and it's where I'm trying to gain some insight about the topic from people that might know more than I do. The difference in the way the bible treats male and female homosexuality has had a profound effect on the way our society thinks about and treats male and female homosexuality. I'm still looking for more answers if anyone has anything. Any other places in the bible that might help or hinder the belief. I would compare it to the physical differences between men and women. Why are people so much more appalled when a mother harms her child than when a father does? That mother CARRIES the child inside her up to nine months,, so there is a physical bond that develops differently than the males making people take the mothers nurturing role as the primary and the fathers as secondary. I think this holds true with other issues that concern PHYSICAL action. BEcause men and women are differently physically, something like a parent child bonding (on the physical level) and a sexual contact bonding (on the physical level) become quite different depending upon gender. I think my opinion is moving more this direction, and less from the belief that the difference today is coming from the different treatment in the Bible. As I examine what's been said here, and what I've read in history books as well as bible, it seems the different social treatment existed even back then. It seems the greater revulsion toward male homosexuality as opposed to female homosexuality was evident even in Jesus's time.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Thu 05/20/10 08:54 AM
It seems to me that if homosexuality has clearly been prevalent all throughout human history it could hardly be considered to be "unnatural". Why would a God have created beings to be natrually attracted to each other only to chastise them for that behavior. That seems to be diabolical in and of itself.

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Thu 05/20/10 08:56 AM
I have never seen anything to lead me to believe the discrimination against homosexuals is any different depending on sex in the bible nor from the pulpit. From the pulpit I would have to agree. But when questioned I haven't yet found a specific reference to female homosexuality, only male and for males there are a great many references. That is a discrepancy. What the significance of that is, I suppose the heart of the question. Goes along the lines of when God made the earth God made Adam and Eve. A male and female, not male and male or female and female. The people on earth would cease to exist if we all were homosexuals. That is the only reason for two different genders, for reproduction. Homosexuality benifits nothing but fleshly desire. Exactly.God also said "Go out and reproduce".Are you seriously going to tell me that "it's natural" to be a homosexual when God is telling you to go out and reproduce? For this we would have to get into the discussion of the definition of natural. Frankly I think the interpretation of the word there is wrong, but that's an entirely different discussion. God destroyed a entire city for homosexuality.I think that is proof enough he is against it.You will also not find any verses supporting same sex couples in any way anywhere in the bible. Also if you are supporting male to male relationships you are supporting sodomy.Sodomy is a sin and against Gods will. Here we are back to the difference. Your examples are about male homosexuality. Do you have something similar that concerns female homosexuality? I have asked many, some who have studied quite a bit and no one has been able to show me one. Once again I'm not claiming right or wrong on it, I'm trying to understand the difference in the treatment. I am not wasting anymore time discussing this topic that you are just going to keep dodging.I have given you bible verses that discribe homosexuality as wrong no matter if it is a male of female. Since you can't seem to read this verse I am going to put it in caps...EVEN THEIR WOMEN EXCHANGED NATURAL RELATIONS FOR UNATURAL ONES. WOMEN in the bible in the same verse describing homosexuality.If you can't process that verse I don't know what to tell you. Concerning Sodom and Gomorrah.That city was full of WOMEN also.Yes men and WOMEN were both destroyed for their sexual actions. I agree with you here. Not hard to understand. But you have to be open minded. Absolutely, however as I've said repeatedly, I'm not asking or arguing the right or wrong of it. It may be germane to the subject but it doesn't answer the question of different treatment, or more specifically the different emphasis. Male homosexuality can be found in passage after passage and it's tends to be very clear. This is only one passage and, particularly if you have an open mind to the fact that this is an interpretation of what was actually written, it's not entirely that clear. Comparing that to references of male homosexuality it is clearly different. In starting this I had thought the difference today was probably caused by the differences in the Bible but it's becoming clearer that those differences may have existed even back then and so the cause and effect is actually opposite of what I had expected.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Thu 05/20/10 09:12 AM
If we take the idea of a "god" out of the picture altogether and just look at the situation from a purely human point of view it should be clear why the authors of the bible found male homosexuality to be more "disgusting" than female homosexuality. To begin with the content of the bible was clearly written and controlled by men. So it's clearly a male perspective on life. Men tend to view women as being more naturally "sexual", in fact, many men view women as sexual objects. So the idea of women getting together sexually seems far more "natural" than the idea of men getting together sexually (from this biased perspective). So that explains why these writings focused more on the repugnance of male homosexuality rather than focusing on female homosexuality or even treating it in the same way. In other words, the entire bible is nothing more than a reflection of how the men in this ancient culture thought.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Thu 05/20/10 10:05 AM
It seems to me that if homosexuality has clearly been prevalent all throughout human history it could hardly be considered to be "unnatural". Why would a God have created beings to be natrually attracted to each other only to chastise them for that behavior. That seems to be diabolical in and of itself. hmm,,if anything thats always existed must be natural,,,there would hardly be a reason to distinguish any existing action as unnatural so although in a wordly perception, I understand that logic,, it doesnt seem like it works in accord with the bible a difference between attraction (what one might be tempted towards) and action (what one chooses to do) we are creatures who are tempted and our choice is what gives us the option to give in or resist

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Thu 05/20/10 11:46 AM
It seems to me that if homosexuality has clearly been prevalent all throughout human history it could hardly be considered to be "unnatural". Why would a God have created beings to be natrually attracted to each other only to chastise them for that behavior. That seems to be diabolical in and of itself. hmm,,if anything thats always existed must be natural,,,there would hardly be a reason to distinguish any existing action as unnatural Actually the definition of something unnatural would be something does does not normally occur within nature. Homosexuality does occur in all mammals. That's why I said I had a problem with the interpretation at that point. It really should say unintended sex acts IMO. But I'm sure at the time of the translation and even now it sounds stronger to say unnatural.

DaveyB Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 18786	Thu 05/20/10 11:49 AM Edited by DaveyB on Thu 05/20/10 11:57 AM
In other words, the entire bible is nothing more than a reflection of how the men in this ancient culture thought. That would be based solely on the assumption that there is no God and that he/she had no influence on it's writing. I tend to fall in-between what you seem to believe, and the unquestioning acceptance of current church interpretation, I see from others.