First of all, The Federal Reserve is not Federal at all, No more than
Fed Ex is Federal, And I personally believe it is the biggest crime
against mankind, in the history of the World. The money is created out
of thin air, It is borrowed into existence. The way ,I understand it is
if you borrow 1000. dollars at 10% simple interest for one year,say, at
the end of the year, you have to pay back 1100 dollars. But here is the
catch, they only have printed bills for 1000 dollars, not 1100 dollars,
so it is a game of musical chairs, 100 dollars short intensionally by
the way. So the debt can never be paid back. I see it as fraud against
the people who use the federal reserve system. (built in fraud) The 100
can never be paid back and now they start compounding interest on money
that does not actually exist. How can that be possible, collecting
interest on money that never actually existed? Plus this is actually
monopoly money, has no gold backing. Actually make believe money
borrowed into existence, with no backing. What a ponzi scheme, I think
they should all be in jail, biggest fraud in the history of the
WORLD!!!That is what ,I think, what do you think? So every time some one
borrows for a new house or new car, they do not print enough to cover
the interest, so it is impossible to pay for all the cars and all the
houses. So everytime the music stops, there are not enough chairs(money)
But it is worse than you thought, every time the music stops, they pull
many chairs, not just one. Tell me this, Can't you see those guys
laughing at us because of our ignorance? They get your houses, cars,
land,etc , for nothing , no investment,free. Sounds like Fraud to me,
how about you? Yes the federal reserve is private, not federal at all,
how about ,that? I think fraud invalidates the contracts, what do you
think? I am fairly SURE , that Ron Paul is 100% right, I think he is an
honest MAN. We don't have many like him. Oh , by the way, make Obama,
president, and Colin Powell, vice president, they want same thing we the
people want. They want our Constitution back, which means this federal
reserve problem could be cured(removed)and a new gold backed system, and
the national debt cancelled because of fraud. Remember fraud nullifies
the contract, and the fraudsters put in jail!!THINK ABOUT IT ,That is
how you start.

LMAO!!!!

MFI???

By the way, we do not have to be afraid of the fraudsters, there is only
a handful of them, they are hiding in plain sight dressed in grey suits,
look and act like your friends, it is no accident they own the world by
fraud.It is the same as a rigged crap game, exactly the same .It is all
rigged from the beginning. I want to ask that same question again. How
could about 3 men pass the Federal Reserve Act during Christmas vacation
while Congress was out of session?? This is the conclusion, I have come
to, evidently must be unconstitutional, does that bother you? IT should,
It is costing you your troubles.

The head of the federal reserve can be fired by the president or
Congress at any time! Can't they?
They can not serve more than one term of 14 yrs! Can they?
Im not that good with finacial institutions, but would it be a good idea
to loan money without charging interest?
MFI= money flow index!! It has to do with the circulation of money from
the bank to you to me to my mechanic and back again! It is a measurement
they use to control and measure inflation!
Exactly how? Im dumb founded!

I know only enough to know that it is better left to professionals to
figure out and manage, and I dont mean politicians. Unless they are
Bankers!! I have seen in the past, politivians fire the ones in charge
when things get out of control, and I dont think the system is broken,
like yall do!!
Sorry!!! I do think we have more important and pressing matters for
Congress to occupy themselves with, and I do see parts of the Federal
Reserve that could be fine tuned. A complete over-haul, I dont think is
necessary though!

Yes, I do think those guys control the game.
My biggest peeve is the professional politicians, and I think the money
men have a lot to do with that. However, I do think that system could be
changed without a complete overhaul of the Federal Reserve!
Maybe I am naive about that, but that is what I think, If someone
started to change the Federal Reserve, I dont think I would protest a
lot. Probably none, but I dont think congress could agree on it, and I
do think there are more pressing matters! Immigration, distribution of
political donations, abuse of our military might, Energy Independence,
and Energy Independence, and Energy Independence, and Energy
Independence, and Energy Independence!!!
An Over-haul of the Federal Reserve would distract Congress for the next
20 years or more without ever reaching a compromise!!

yes we do have a lot of issues Fanta...but all of those will need $$ to
fix them...
under the current fed reserve scheme..they just keep the presses running
and
unload barrels of dough on the problem...where does it end?..there is no
accountability even with the printing itself..because there is no
congressional
oversight...and no reporting of how much is being printed...it will
reach a point where
they will just have to say the debt is too high and won't be paid at
all...ever...
then what?...the fiat money system has an end point...with nothing
behind it except
empty promises as soon as people lose faith in it ..it is dead in the
water..at least
with gold and silver behind it the old system had value...plus it
actually belonged to the people..

want a scholarly treatus on the history check out the money masters
video...its great history..
or read Eustice Mullins...

smo...great points...they had to pass that one when everyone was out of
town..cuz they knew it wouldnt fly otherwise...what a great con that
was..signed our death warrant

fanta, its really not all that complicated, tjhough we are led to
believe otherwise. the bottom lik=ne is that our money is supposed to be
controlled by the government and based on something tangeable. The so
called FED is a private bank thaty prints the notes(notes are IOUs) and
lends them to the government payable in due time with interest. This is
a total scam and was warned about by the founding fathers. the Fed
HASENT went thru a process of improvement over time, it was formed
illegaly in 1913. before that our money was controlled by the federal
govt and based on silver, not Gold as a lot of people think. silver and
gold were both used as mediums of change. Paper monies were origionally
created as Gold is heavy so one could take thier paper money to the bank
and redeem it for Gold and silver. THESE METALS DONT inflate in value
over time unlike a NOTE which is a promise to pay, an IOU. UNDERSTAND
THAT IN 1913 A $20.00 bill= 1 ounce of gold. that ounce of Gold would
buy a full grown cow. that one ounce of gold today would still buy a
cow. the 20.00 note would buy a decent steak. any questions?

I like the gold/cow/steak analogy rambill...very clear....and scary...

yah. anyone know the status of this bill? we should all write our
congress people and chew thier ears off about this.

Ron Paul has introduced similar bills in the past..it will not go
anywhere...
the best we can hope for is to get him elected president..and then help
get it done then...

wrote my congressman today. ive seen these types of bills before and as
you say they never seem to go anywhere. will be interesting to see
if/what my congresman has to say about it though.

this is another example of what happens when good people do nothing. if
all the people out there were to write thier congressmen, they would
have no choice but to act. i implore al of you to send emails to
everyone you know telling them of this bill and to contact the
appropriate congresspeople. Together we have unlimited strength, but
seperatly we are just a voice in the wilderness.

Hello, I agree with davinci Ron Paul should be president, but the
problem is too many people disagree, because they do not understand what
has been going on ,and think he is radical or some such nonsense, when
Ron Paul is really 100% right, but too many do not know that. So ,I
thought maybe put Obama in as president, and Colin Powell as vice
president, since neither of these are ,for the war, and they are already
liked by large sections of the people, and Obama is in actuality way out
in front of Hillary, even though opposers are trying to pretend it is a
close race, while Hillary's horse is way back out of sight somewhere.
Then maybe Ron Paul should be the next president in line. It is just a
suggestion because Obama is leading the pack, and I hope that he has not
been bought off or blackmailed ,yet. He is totally against the war, and
STOP THE WAR is high priority, but this federal reserve thing has
brought our country to its knees,brink of ruin, so we definitely need
to start somewhere. Yes, Ron Paul would be a wonderful President,
probably for sure better than any of us has seen in our lifetimes.He
believes in the Constitution ,too. Too many people don't have a clue,
is why I thought Obama ,this time, first???? But, hey, Ron Paul is
personally my first choice too.

Yes, I truly believe that the federal reserve is probably the greatest
single crime against humanity on this planet in the history of this
planet, period.

youre both absolutely right smo & rambill...unfortunately people are clueless..I bet the majority of people that work at a bank think it's part of the government..will take a hell of an education program to make them realize otherwise..if we could get Freedom to Fascism to be run on network tv it would help...but TV is run by corporations that have a vested interest to keep things just the way they are...grrrrrrr....

I was curious about Obama til I learned he was a member of the CFR...all members of the CFR are supporters of the North American Union ....if fact if you look at all the candidates they are telling us are "top tier" they are all CFR's....clinton, guillianni, fred thompson, obama, romney ....and others...
Ron Paul is not....

You can see on the evening news already they are trying to label RPaul as a nut case...

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul will add party crashing to his campaign tactics this weekend.

The Texas congressman, who has struggled to top 1 percent in national polls, wasn't invited to a forum of presidential candidates Saturday in Des Moines. The gathering is sponsored by the Iowa Christian Alliance and the watchdog group Iowans for Tax Relief.

Less than 1% in National Polls. Thats not good!!
So when does he withdraw from the race?

sMO, well, that , the IRS, and the ATF.

raise your hand if you contacted your congressperson and sent messages to everyone you know about this issue.
..... raising hand high...

Fanta...you really believe polls thrown out on television?...

hi, here are two terrific phone numbers to congress: I-877-851-6437 and 1-866-340-9281 toll free , We should each spend 15 minutes everyday on these numbers telling our congress servants that we stand behind them on such issues as getting rid of the federal reserve,stop the war,remove the war criminals from power,get rid of the Patriot acts,redo 911 investigation,get rid of the war powers act, get pedophiles out of the the white house, and the male prostitutes, and put the 13th amendment back in the Constitution where it belongs, and any other necessary corrections that need worked on!!!