this is a different position (sensitivity) than the OPs suggestion that it should be denied based upon what Saudi Arabia does

perhaps they will not build it and perhaps they wont but I think its equally insensitive to them to say that only the american lives lost that day should be considered 'sacred' or worthy of memorial,,,

I agree that the basic issue of not having a mosque/Islamic center next to ground zero is one of sensitivity because thousands of people died there at the hands of people who killed them in the name of Islam. It would be like erecting a large Japanese cultural center, Buddhist shrine and party/entertainment facility at Pearl Harbor or conversely placing a lovely American-themed recreation center and church at Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

It is interesting nonetheless to compare the situation in Islamic countries with our religious freedom here in the United States. It is particularly unseemly when monies coming from Islamic states where there is no freedom of religion are used to promote Islam - supporting the goals of the Islamic Extremists - adjacent to the location of their greatest crimes against humanity.

Good post. Chances are, most of the money would come from Saudi. Saudis were the majority of the 9/11 terrorists. Saudi pushes an extreme form of Islam. Mecca is the heart of the religion.

the analogy is false , because HIROSHIMA was government SANCTIONED

9/11 were individuals who had grouped together over extreme views,,,

9/11 were not individuals. The Islamic terrorists were widespread and well funded. They were numerous enough to take over countries such as Iran and Afghanistan. Their funding has increased as have their numbers.

2010.10.26 (Chewenkur, Nigeria) - Four teenagers and two women are hacked to death when Muslims armed with machetes attack a Christian village.
2010.10.26 (Herat, Afghanistan) - Taliban blow up four local cops with an IED.
2010.10.25 (Bajaur, Pakistan) - A member of a peace committee is assassinated by religious radicals.
2010.10.25 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A electrical association worker is shot to death by Mujahideen.
2010.10.25 (Punjab, Pakistan) - Three women are among seven innocents killed by Sunni bombers at a Sufi mosque.
2010.10.25 (Narathwat, Thailand) - A farmer is murdered in one of a series of bombings by Islamic separatists.
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Islamic extremists are not REPRESENTATIVES of the 1.3 billion muslims in the way that AMERICAN GOVERNMENT represents america

They are, however, representative of the millions of Islamics who want to kill western society. They act as a group and are well organized and funded. They represent Islamics in the same way that Catholics or Baptists represent all Christians.

catholics and baptists do not represent all christians

they represent catholics and baptists

This is exactly my point. The 9/11 terrorists represent the Islamic Jihadists, which are not individuals, but a large, well organized and financed group of Islam, just as the Catholics are a large and well financed group of Christians.

Your statement that they acted as individuals was incorrect.

i wonder what china would've done if 9/11 happened there,i can almost say for certain they could care less if a muslim was extremist or not

The following presents a good history lesson.

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"The proposed Islamic Center is only a building. A far greater threat to American security and values is the Muslim Brotherhood, a worldwide Islamist organization that is behind this project, and many others, that seeks to expand the influence of radical political Islam.



Founded in Egypt, in 1928, the Brotherhood is the source of modern radical Islamic movements. With branches in 70 countries and linked to major Islamic organizations, it has an extensive and well-financed network of educational, social and cultural institutions that promote a strategic plan for Islamic dominance – not through violence, but integration, becoming part of the national social and political life, and promoting Sharia law. These connections give it access to political power, and explain why it and the organizations it supports are courted by governments and NGOs.



Adapting to local conditions, the Brotherhood provides educational, social and religious services to Muslim communities, and, because of a lack of local leadership, assumes an advocacy role to non-Muslim political leaders and institutions. Except for its support of terrorism de-legitimization against Israel, and opposition to wars in Muslim countries, it is non-violent, although it distributes radical Islamist literature and is affiliated with radical clerics.



As Lorenzo Vidino observes in his book, The New Muslim Brotherhood in the West, the Brotherhood is "a global ideological movement" that uses a "sophisticated international network" to spread Islam and achieve world domination. Jihad, a uniquely Islamist combination of religious and political/military agendas, seeks to eradicate the "moral bankruptcy of Western culture," and establish Islamic rule via a Caliphate, under Sharia – strict Islamic law.



Through a network of educational, social, professional and cultural organizations – which, in the West, do not reveal their Muslim Brotherhood connection – they exert political influence and promote a mix of religious and political ideologies associated with the extremist Wahhabi form of Islam. Supported by Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, and wealthy Muslims, they espouse a global strategy for Islamic hegemony."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3975144,00.html

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but they dont represent those wanting the center in AMERICA

Perhaps they will see wisdom.

I would accept it if they built a house of worship. (open to all faiths) with no 'mosque' or 'chapel' involved.

Just a place to go for all faiths.

china also imprisons people like Liu Chiang, should we really emulate all their customs or behavior?

it would've been kind of cool to see what would've happened...i'm thinking WW3 though,cause our government would be like "oh hell naw china ain't controlling the oil to"

I was not trying to say that it was a govt thing. I was just saying that it is obscene to demand that a large cultural/fun/islamic center/mosque be erected at the site of a horrific massacre committed in the name of Islam.

If you prefer another extremist massacre analogy then how about if a large center for caucasian americans were erected adjacent to the site of the April 13, 1873 Colfax, La. massacre? It was only "white extremists" who committed this non-governmental massacre...of course the number killed in Colfax was 62 and the number killed in the islamic extremist terrorist attack was about 3000 with more than 6000 injured...

My point really has nothing to do with whether the govt participated or not or the number really for that matter...you're quibbling. The insult to the memory of those killed is just the same.

http://hnn.us/articles/48986.html

Exactly. It's about honor to those who lost their lives and the families impacted by the act of cowardice perpetrated on the American people on 9/11. All the government conspiracy theory is not extraneous to the premise and reason behind this thread.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were government but I wonder if the population of the US would have allowed it if they had known the catastrophic collateral damage that would result.

Just as I am sure the Islamic community at large would not have agreed to 9/11 if it was put to a vote.

China is coal based for the most part.

They either would have utterly destroyed the fields or simply destroyed any country that harbored the 'terrorists'.

of course China will not become their target until they are done with us.

China is not as 'scary' to them as FREEDOM OF RELIGION is...

They are trying to kill an ideal that damages their ability to control Islam.

Islam isn't a religion.Islam is a excuse for millions of blood thirsty lunatics to kill of the entire world and put the blame on some false God.