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I cant even imagine they could fly the planes and find the target at 400 miles an hour. Come on they were barely able to fly a cesna. 
And your alternative 911 pilots? You think it happened on autopilot? A tragic accident with both WTC towers and the Pentagon and the plane in Shanksville PA all within a couple of hours?
Think Zionists did it? - somehow corrupting the Al-Qaida operatives? Or you believe that Bin Laden was really a secret Mossad agent?
Maybe the innocent passengers were in on it and they tied up the Al-Qaida agents and duct taped them in the bathroom with the original pilots and crews and flew the planes themselves. Or maybe it was just serendipity. A hundred to one shot in which all 4 planes had electronic malfunctions in their control circuits simultaneously directing them to U.S. landmarks... 
I really would like to hear who you think could have really done the flying!!
Probably we will never ever find out an adequate answer to this VEXING unanswerable question of who was actually at the controls!! It is mind-boggling! Just couldn't have happened! You don't think it is a vast Israeli media hoax and no one really died do you?
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Edited by
s1owhand
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A controlled demolition has to be planed ahead of time. Do you really want MORE facts? Why don't you spend some time and google it. Spend at least a few days sorting through all different "theories" and sites. Do some investigating with your computer. See what you come up with. ON ALL SIDES, NOT JUST ONE YOU LIKE. Yes I believe the building was pulled on purpose and by Larry Silverstein. That is pretty obviously an Insurance fraud. (Not to mention murder.) The claim that a piece of the twin tower hit the building and then a fire started and then the building fell-- strait down perfectly-- is simply ludicrous. This kind of failure of a building would have been investigated, not declared "classified" and then all evidence removed from the CRIME SCENE. Yes it was a crime scene ... was it not? A supposed "terrorist attack?" Why clear the debris? That is tampering with evidence. I find the blind acceptance of these facts by the dumbed down public to be astonishingly unbelievable. I have spent years looking at all the information and that includes all of the major conspiracy sites. The theories I see are flimsy and circumstantial. They hold no water when looked at scientifically or logically. There is nothing logical about concluding 9-11 was perpetrated by the US government or Israel. There is nothing logical or scientific that leads me to believe that the 3 WTC buildings were destroyed by high explosive. There is no evidence to refute the video footage of 2 planes hitting 2 buildings and eventually starting to collapse above the exact spots the planes hit. There is plenty of scientific evidence and video evidence of the load above the damaged sections causing forces that were too much for the damaged columns to hold. Resulting in a progressive collapse. Buildings of that era were designed without the use of computer software like AUTO-CAD. Buildings of that era were designed specifically to withstand static loads. A failure of the support structure in a localized area could be overcome, but a failure in the support structure over a large area could not withstand the lateral loads which were being forced down on it. It is simple engineering physics. Did you seriously study this topic for years? I am not convinced at all you have. Did they actually fly a 707 into one of the buildings and do a post crash damage assessment? Or did they just estimate the force of a 707 hitting the building flying at approach speed? Do you think that they would have estimated for a 707 flying at 400 plus MPH... 800 feet over Manhattan? HAHA.... What the original designers actually did was to check the load transfer ability of the building structure if a couple of columns were punched out. The heat from burning jet fuel was not considered in this model. It should be obvious to all that facts mean nothing to some in the argument. Courses are now given to engineers about the failure mode analysis of 9/11. The mechanics are straightforward. The actual information is widely available and uncontested by those in the profession due to the complex nature of the failure. In other words, all the pieces of the puzzle fit together ... no explosives were used or required and everything failed as it would be expected to fail under the circumstances by math, physics, and material science. Trolling is, however, commonplace on the internet. Please don't feed the trolls.
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It doesnt pass the smell test.
Not even amature pilots flying jumbo jets makeing sophisticated manauvers. Managed to evade Norad and all our defences over Washington. Three buildings falling straight down into their own basements in a demolition type fashion. All struts and support colums failing at the exact same time to achieve at or near free fall speed. I am simply suprised more people just dont wake up an say Bull **** All of it used to justify invadeing the middle east and get the majority of stupid americans to go along with it. Wars fleecing the tax payers of money that could be used to improve lives rather than bankrupt our system and makeing the corperations rich. scam of the century |
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It doesnt pass the smell test. Not even amature pilots flying jumbo jets makeing sophisticated manauvers. Managed to evade Norad and all our defences over Washington. Three buildings falling straight down into their own basements in a demolition type fashion. All struts and support colums failing at the exact same time to achieve at or near free fall speed. I am simply suprised more people just dont wake up an say Bull **** All of it used to justify invadeing the middle east and get the majority of stupid americans to go along with it. Wars fleecing the tax payers of money that could be used to improve lives rather than bankrupt our system and makeing the corperations rich. scam of the century So you think Ariel Sharon is not really in a coma and he is secretly in hiding and orchestrating everything?!
Who did you say again do you think was really piloting the planes?
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It doesnt pass the smell test. Not even amature pilots flying jumbo jets makeing sophisticated manauvers. Managed to evade Norad and all our defences over Washington. Three buildings falling straight down into their own basements in a demolition type fashion. All struts and support colums failing at the exact same time to achieve at or near free fall speed. I am simply suprised more people just dont wake up an say Bull **** All of it used to justify invadeing the middle east and get the majority of stupid americans to go along with it. Wars fleecing the tax payers of money that could be used to improve lives rather than bankrupt our system and makeing the corperations rich. scam of the century This again? 
The reasons more people don't think this is true is because the engineers and physicists know and explain why things happened like they did. But the conspiracy people say math and physics are part of the conspiracy. |
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It doesnt pass the smell test. Not even amature pilots flying jumbo jets makeing sophisticated manauvers. Managed to evade Norad and all our defences over Washington. Three buildings falling straight down into their own basements in a demolition type fashion. All struts and support colums failing at the exact same time to achieve at or near free fall speed. I am simply suprised more people just dont wake up an say Bull **** All of it used to justify invadeing the middle east and get the majority of stupid americans to go along with it. Wars fleecing the tax payers of money that could be used to improve lives rather than bankrupt our system and makeing the corperations rich. scam of the century This again?
The reasons more people don't think this is true is because the engineers and physicists know and explain why things happened like they did. But the conspiracy people say math and physics are part of the conspiracy. I dont care what you belive its not my job to convince you of anything. Its just pathetic people actualy buy into the official version of 911 and a sad testement to how stupid americans are in general. But we are talking about a nation that gets a 24/7 dose of propaganda. has grown men watching big time wrastlin Has their brain fed moron food via TV and advertiseing We pretty much are getting what we deserve in terms of our falling standerd of liveing. A nation of rubes. When a person points out that this all just doesnt seem right they get the "conspiracy nut"label. Here are a few conspiracies that turned out to be true. Operation Mockingbird: Also in the 1950s to ’70s, the CIA paid a number of well-known domestic and foreign journalists (from big-name media outlets like Time, The Washington Post, The New York Times, CBS and others) to publish CIA propaganda. The CIA also reportedly funded at least one movie, the animated “Animal Farm,” by George Orwell. The Church Committee finally exposed the activities in 1975. The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: The United States Public Health Service carried out this clinical study on 400 poor, African-American men with syphilis from 1932 to 1972. During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments, and adequate treatment was intentionally withheld so the agency could learn more about the disease. While the study was initially supposed to last just six months, it continued for 40 years. Close to 200 of the men died from syphilis or related complications by the end of the study. . 1990 Testimony of Nayirah: A 15-year-old girl named “Nayirah” testified before the U.S. Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies from incubators, causing them to die. The testimony helped gain major public support for the 1991 Gulf War, but — despite protests that the dispute of this story was itself a conspiracy theory — it was later discovered that the testimony was false. The public relations firm Hill & Knowlton, which was in the employ of Citizens for a Free Kuwait, had arranged the testimony. It turned out that she had taken acting lessons on request of the CIA and was actually the niece of a major politician in Kuwait. Nayirah was later disclosed to be Nayirah al-Sabah, daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, Kuwaiti ambassador to the USA. The Congressional Human Rights Caucus, of which Congressman Tom Lantos was co-chairman, had been responsible for hosting Nurse Nayirah, and thereby popularizing her allegations. When the girl’s account was later challenged by independent human rights monitors, Lantos replied, “The notion that any of the witnesses brought to the caucus through the Kuwaiti Embassy would not be credible did not cross my mind… I have no basis for assuming that her story is not true, but the point goes beyond that. If one hypothesizes that the woman’s story is fictitious from A to Z, that in no way diminishes the avalanche of human rights violations.” Nevertheless, the senior Republican on the Human Rights Caucus, John Edward Porter, responded to the revelations “by saying that if he had known the girl was the ambassador’s daughter, he would not have allowed her to testify.” http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/10/13/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know%e2%80%a6/ Well that is all for me its saturday gota do some painting cleaning and hopefully something fun later. |
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Edited by
InvictusV
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A controlled demolition has to be planed ahead of time. Do you really want MORE facts? Why don't you spend some time and google it. Spend at least a few days sorting through all different "theories" and sites. Do some investigating with your computer. See what you come up with. ON ALL SIDES, NOT JUST ONE YOU LIKE. Yes I believe the building was pulled on purpose and by Larry Silverstein. That is pretty obviously an Insurance fraud. (Not to mention murder.) The claim that a piece of the twin tower hit the building and then a fire started and then the building fell-- strait down perfectly-- is simply ludicrous. This kind of failure of a building would have been investigated, not declared "classified" and then all evidence removed from the CRIME SCENE. Yes it was a crime scene ... was it not? A supposed "terrorist attack?" Why clear the debris? That is tampering with evidence. I find the blind acceptance of these facts by the dumbed down public to be astonishingly unbelievable. I have spent years looking at all the information and that includes all of the major conspiracy sites. The theories I see are flimsy and circumstantial. They hold no water when looked at scientifically or logically. There is nothing logical about concluding 9-11 was perpetrated by the US government or Israel. There is nothing logical or scientific that leads me to believe that the 3 WTC buildings were destroyed by high explosive. There is no evidence to refute the video footage of 2 planes hitting 2 buildings and eventually starting to collapse above the exact spots the planes hit. There is plenty of scientific evidence and video evidence of the load above the damaged sections causing forces that were too much for the damaged columns to hold. Resulting in a progressive collapse. Buildings of that era were designed without the use of computer software like AUTO-CAD. Buildings of that era were designed specifically to withstand static loads. A failure of the support structure in a localized area could be overcome, but a failure in the support structure over a large area could not withstand the lateral loads which were being forced down on it. It is simple engineering physics. Did you seriously study this topic for years? I am not convinced at all you have. Did they actually fly a 707 into one of the buildings and do a post crash damage assessment? Or did they just estimate the force of a 707 hitting the building flying at approach speed? Do you think that they would have estimated for a 707 flying at 400 plus MPH... 800 feet over Manhattan? HAHA.... What the original designers actually did was to check the load transfer ability of the building structure if a couple of columns were punched out. The heat from burning jet fuel was not considered in this model. It should be obvious to all that facts mean nothing to some in the argument. Courses are now given to engineers about the failure mode analysis of 9/11. The mechanics are straightforward. The actual information is widely available and uncontested by those in the profession due to the complex nature of the failure. In other words, all the pieces of the puzzle fit together ... no explosives were used or required and everything failed as it would be expected to fail under the circumstances by math, physics, and material science. Trolling is, however, commonplace on the internet. Please don't feed the trolls. The buildings themselves were huge heat sinks being it would take sometime for the steal to heat up and weaken. When it did weaken it wouldnt be systamatic and total failure all at the exact same time. I did not see any evidince that these buildings were infernos and no evidence at all to justify a total and systamatic collapse of all support beams and trusses all at the same time. Its simply beyond my comprehension that people actualy buy into it. Again.. You leave out the 270,000 lb planes hitting the buildings at over 400MPH. No one has said that fire alone collapsed the buildings. If someone walks up and cracks some dude in the knee with a baseball bat and the dude falls down and you say it wasn't because he got hit with the bat it was because he lost his balance. haha.. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Sat 06/25/11 09:38 AM
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It doesnt pass the smell test. Not even amature pilots flying jumbo jets makeing sophisticated manauvers. Managed to evade Norad and all our defences over Washington. Three buildings falling straight down into their own basements in a demolition type fashion. All struts and support colums failing at the exact same time to achieve at or near free fall speed. I am simply suprised more people just dont wake up an say Bull **** All of it used to justify invadeing the middle east and get the majority of stupid americans to go along with it. Wars fleecing the tax payers of money that could be used to improve lives rather than bankrupt our system and makeing the corperations rich. scam of the century This again?
The reasons more people don't think this is true is because the engineers and physicists know and explain why things happened like they did. But the conspiracy people say math and physics are part of the conspiracy. Again, Did you not read the website I suggested: http://www.debunking911.com/ It wasn't Silverstein and his dancing Israelis!? Hahahahahaaaaaa!
I mean I honestly didn't think even if you hated Israeli policy and supported Hamas terrorist efforts to get free and open access to whatever sea cargo they wanted that you would also fall for the 911 conspiracy theories when there is overwhelming evidence of Al-Qaida's role in that attack.
I wonder if Hamas could get any shipments at all which they wanted by sea if they would try to get a shipment like this one: 
An Israeli soldier holds a 120mm mortar shell seized from the Victoria cargo ship that was intercepted by Israel in the Mediterranean Sea on Tuesday, in the port of Ashdod, Israel, Wednesday, March 16, 2011. Israeli officials displayed thousands of bullets, mortar shells and anti-ship missiles on Wednesday that they seized from a cargo ship delivering the arms to Palestinian militants in Gaza. (Ariel Schalit, Associated Press) http://realisraelblog.com/2011/03/16/arms-shipment-to-hamas-run-gaza-intercepted-by-israeli-navy-2/ You see that is the beauty of a free and open press in Israel. It is harder to dupe them as they are not a tool of the government and if they find out they are being lied to then they will work very hard to uncover the deception. Or maybe you think that because the photographer's name is Schalit that he might be Jewish and be "part of the global world Jewish conspiracy" which was popularized by Julius Streicher and Adolph whats-his-name? (The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was also promoted in this other mingle2 science and technology topic thread by your esteemed cohort Jeanniebean)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher http://mingle2.com/topic/show/304030?page=12
All these Jewish or Zionist or Israel conspiracy theories are a tremendous load of Hogwarsh!! They caught the perpetrators red-handed! On video! Flying the planes into the buildings! Shouting Allahu Ahkbar! 
Instead of dancing Israelis (false), there were dancing Palestinians (true)!! Your dancing Israelis (and I had to search for this) were 5 guys filming the attack after hearing the US news reports that the WTC towers were being targeted by Islamic extremist hijackers. There is no news footage of dancing Israelis at 911 but there IS footage of the Palestinians and Al-Qaida! Here is some actual CNN footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV_eN4YEEI0
There are no indications that Israelis were involved in September 11. There IS video of the Al-Qaida attackers. They have all been identified and linked directly to Osama Bin Laden's money and organization. Al-Qaida publicly boasted of being behind the attack at the time as their greatest triumph! This is why your anti-Semitic and anti-Israel conspiracy theories are being ridiculed. They are farcical!
All credible scientific evidence, video and intelligence shows that it was obviously an Al-Qaida plot!
Yet you go on with century old discredited Nazi propaganda, some Jewish guy's insurance claim, non-existent dancing, and totally false theories that the buildings were brought down by explosives instead of the fuel-laden hijacked planes videotaped slamming into the towers piloted by Al-Qaida extremists!
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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It doesnt pass the smell test. Not even amature pilots flying jumbo jets makeing sophisticated manauvers. Managed to evade Norad and all our defences over Washington. Three buildings falling straight down into their own basements in a demolition type fashion. All struts and support colums failing at the exact same time to achieve at or near free fall speed. I am simply suprised more people just dont wake up an say Bull **** All of it used to justify invadeing the middle east and get the majority of stupid americans to go along with it. Wars fleecing the tax payers of money that could be used to improve lives rather than bankrupt our system and makeing the corperations rich. scam of the century This again?
The reasons more people don't think this is true is because the engineers and physicists know and explain why things happened like they did. But the conspiracy people say math and physics are part of the conspiracy. Paid to make excuses. Frankly I have lost faith in the government to tell the truth. That's the real problem. Too much cover-up. To many lies in the past. Too much proven to be propaganda. Too many LIES. Too many black operations that they lied to us about have gone down in the past and now have been exposed. How on earth do they expect intelligent people to believe them now? They must think we are stupid. They are laughing their ***** off at how stupid we are. So here is the way it is. I just don't believe them. A lot of other people agree and also don't believe them. Its not that I can't understand their supposed "scientific" explanation of how a plane might have perfectly demolished the twin towers with the precision of a controlled demolition. It has nothing to do with that. They are Liars. They have proven themselves to be liars. Why should I believe another thing they say? They have lost my trust. I actually tried to believe them. For a short period I decided to believe them, but my bull **** detector keeps going off every time they spew more propaganda. Nope, I'm sorry. You can believe them if it makes your life better. I don't trust anything they say. That's the real issue. No real investigators were allowed on the scene. The evidence was cleared as quickly as possible. There are too many unanswered questions. Did any of you look at the PDF document I posted? Did any of you look at the unanswered question at the end of the document? Or are you just choosing up sides and repeating propaganda? Nope. Sorry. I don't trust them anymore. That is the issue here. No more will I believe what they say. All the so-called scientific explanations that they pay people to write is not going to convince me. This is where they will fail. People don't trust them anymore. When people fear their own government and don't trust them, that is when things start to crumble. They have proven that they can't be trusted. I hope you really are right. I doubt if you are, but I sincerely hope you are right and the events on 9-11 was pulled off by some small time terrorist group. But the evidence I have heard does not add up. I can't believe the official story no matter how 'legitimate' or 'scientific' they make 'try' to make it sound. They have lost the people's trust. We have good reasons to be suspicious. A country who tortures and engages in assassinations can't really be trusted. They could not afford to bring Osama to trial. They would have to make it public and then a lot of things would get out that they don't want anyone to know. There is no possible way they could have proven Osama Bin Laden was responsible for 9-11. That is why they could not bring him to trial. So they assassinated him. It was in the middle of the night, he was unarmed. That is your government that you trust so much. |
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It doesnt pass the smell test. Not even amature pilots flying jumbo jets makeing sophisticated manauvers. Managed to evade Norad and all our defences over Washington. Three buildings falling straight down into their own basements in a demolition type fashion. All struts and support colums failing at the exact same time to achieve at or near free fall speed. I am simply suprised more people just dont wake up an say Bull **** All of it used to justify invadeing the middle east and get the majority of stupid americans to go along with it. Wars fleecing the tax payers of money that could be used to improve lives rather than bankrupt our system and makeing the corperations rich. scam of the century This again?
The reasons more people don't think this is true is because the engineers and physicists know and explain why things happened like they did. But the conspiracy people say math and physics are part of the conspiracy. Paid to make excuses. Frankly I have lost faith in the government to tell the truth. That's the real problem. Too much cover-up. To many lies in the past. Too much proven to be propaganda. Too many LIES. Too many black operations that they lied to us about have gone down in the past and now have been exposed. How on earth do they expect intelligent people to believe them now? They must think we are stupid. They are laughing their ***** off at how stupid we are. So here is the way it is. I just don't believe them. A lot of other people agree and also don't believe them. Its not that I can't understand their supposed "scientific" explanation of how a plane might have perfectly demolished the twin towers with the precision of a controlled demolition. It has nothing to do with that. They are Liars. They have proven themselves to be liars. Why should I believe another thing they say? They have lost my trust. I actually tried to believe them. For a short period I decided to believe them, but my bull **** detector keeps going off every time they spew more propaganda. Nope, I'm sorry. You can believe them if it makes your life better. I don't trust anything they say. That's the real issue. No real investigators were allowed on the scene. The evidence was cleared as quickly as possible. There are too many unanswered questions. Did any of you look at the PDF document I posted? Did any of you look at the unanswered question at the end of the document? Or are you just choosing up sides and repeating propaganda? Nope. Sorry. I don't trust them anymore. That is the issue here. No more will I believe what they say. How about Popular Mechanics? http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center#wtc7
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A controlled demolition has to be planed ahead of time. Do you really want MORE facts? Why don't you spend some time and google it. Spend at least a few days sorting through all different "theories" and sites. Do some investigating with your computer. See what you come up with. ON ALL SIDES, NOT JUST ONE YOU LIKE. Yes I believe the building was pulled on purpose and by Larry Silverstein. That is pretty obviously an Insurance fraud. (Not to mention murder.) The claim that a piece of the twin tower hit the building and then a fire started and then the building fell-- strait down perfectly-- is simply ludicrous. This kind of failure of a building would have been investigated, not declared "classified" and then all evidence removed from the CRIME SCENE. Yes it was a crime scene ... was it not? A supposed "terrorist attack?" Why clear the debris? That is tampering with evidence. I find the blind acceptance of these facts by the dumbed down public to be astonishingly unbelievable. I have spent years looking at all the information and that includes all of the major conspiracy sites. The theories I see are flimsy and circumstantial. They hold no water when looked at scientifically or logically. There is nothing logical about concluding 9-11 was perpetrated by the US government or Israel. There is nothing logical or scientific that leads me to believe that the 3 WTC buildings were destroyed by high explosive. There is no evidence to refute the video footage of 2 planes hitting 2 buildings and eventually starting to collapse above the exact spots the planes hit. There is plenty of scientific evidence and video evidence of the load above the damaged sections causing forces that were too much for the damaged columns to hold. Resulting in a progressive collapse. Buildings of that era were designed without the use of computer software like AUTO-CAD. Buildings of that era were designed specifically to withstand static loads. A failure of the support structure in a localized area could be overcome, but a failure in the support structure over a large area could not withstand the lateral loads which were being forced down on it. It is simple engineering physics. Did you seriously study this topic for years? I am not convinced at all you have. Did they actually fly a 707 into one of the buildings and do a post crash damage assessment? Or did they just estimate the force of a 707 hitting the building flying at approach speed? Do you think that they would have estimated for a 707 flying at 400 plus MPH... 800 feet over Manhattan? HAHA.... What the original designers actually did was to check the load transfer ability of the building structure if a couple of columns were punched out. The heat from burning jet fuel was not considered in this model. It should be obvious to all that facts mean nothing to some in the argument. Courses are now given to engineers about the failure mode analysis of 9/11. The mechanics are straightforward. The actual information is widely available and uncontested by those in the profession due to the complex nature of the failure. In other words, all the pieces of the puzzle fit together ... no explosives were used or required and everything failed as it would be expected to fail under the circumstances by math, physics, and material science. Trolling is, however, commonplace on the internet. Please don't feed the trolls. The buildings themselves were huge heat sinks being it would take sometime for the steal to heat up and weaken. When it did weaken it wouldnt be systamatic and total failure all at the exact same time. I did not see any evidince that these buildings were infernos and no evidence at all to justify a total and systamatic collapse of all support beams and trusses all at the same time. Its simply beyond my comprehension that people actualy buy into it. Again.. You leave out the 270,000 lb planes hitting the buildings at over 400MPH. No one has said that fire alone collapsed the buildings. If someone walks up and cracks some dude in the knee with a baseball bat and the dude falls down and you say it wasn't because he got hit with the bat it was because he lost his balance. haha.. To easy I didnt say it was the fire that caused the buildings to collapse it was the 911 commison report that said it was a fire induced gravity driven event. Look it up again you just have proven you have not studied this event for the years you have claimed. You promote alot of disinformation but I am not the least bit suprised. |
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It doesnt pass the smell test. Not even amature pilots flying jumbo jets makeing sophisticated manauvers. Managed to evade Norad and all our defences over Washington. Three buildings falling straight down into their own basements in a demolition type fashion. All struts and support colums failing at the exact same time to achieve at or near free fall speed. I am simply suprised more people just dont wake up an say Bull **** All of it used to justify invadeing the middle east and get the majority of stupid americans to go along with it. Wars fleecing the tax payers of money that could be used to improve lives rather than bankrupt our system and makeing the corperations rich. scam of the century This again?
The reasons more people don't think this is true is because the engineers and physicists know and explain why things happened like they did. But the conspiracy people say math and physics are part of the conspiracy. Paid to make excuses. Frankly I have lost faith in the government to tell the truth. That's the real problem. Too much cover-up. To many lies in the past. Too much proven to be propaganda. Too many LIES. Too many black operations that they lied to us about have gone down in the past and now have been exposed. How on earth do they expect intelligent people to believe them now? They must think we are stupid. They are laughing their ***** off at how stupid we are. So here is the way it is. I just don't believe them. A lot of other people agree and also don't believe them. Its not that I can't understand their supposed "scientific" explanation of how a plane might have perfectly demolished the twin towers with the precision of a controlled demolition. It has nothing to do with that. They are Liars. They have proven themselves to be liars. Why should I believe another thing they say? They have lost my trust. I actually tried to believe them. For a short period I decided to believe them, but my bull **** detector keeps going off every time they spew more propaganda. Nope, I'm sorry. You can believe them if it makes your life better. I don't trust anything they say. That's the real issue. No real investigators were allowed on the scene. The evidence was cleared as quickly as possible. There are too many unanswered questions. Did any of you look at the PDF document I posted? Did any of you look at the unanswered question at the end of the document? Or are you just choosing up sides and repeating propaganda? Nope. Sorry. I don't trust them anymore. That is the issue here. No more will I believe what they say. All the so-called scientific explanations that they pay people to write is not going to convince me. This is where they will fail. People don't trust them anymore. When people fear their own government and don't trust them, that is when things start to crumble. They have proven that they can't be trusted. I hope you really are right. I doubt if you are, but I sincerely hope you are right and the events on 9-11 was pulled off by some small time terrorist group. But the evidence I have heard does not add up. I can't believe the official story no matter how 'legitimate' or 'scientific' they make 'try' to make it sound. They have lost the people's trust. We have good reasons to be suspicious. A country who tortures and engages in assassinations can't really be trusted. They could not afford to bring Osama to trial. They would have to make it public and then a lot of things would get out that they don't want anyone to know. There is no possible way they could have proven Osama Bin Laden was responsible for 9-11. That is why they could not bring him to trial. So they assassinated him. It was in the middle of the night, he was unarmed. That is your government that you trust so much. I am not talking about government. I am talking about engineers and physicists. Even learned about it from Civil engineering teachers in college but I guess the government paid them off too right? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sat 06/25/11 09:59 AM
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How about Popular Mechanics?
Are you kidding? Why should I believe or trust anyone who supports the official story? They are paid to print their propaganda. It's not about believing some supposed 'authority.' It is about opening your eyes to the lies they have already told us and losing faith in anything they say. That means ANYTHING. I don't trust them. I don't believe them anymore. Its sad but true. Look what they have done. Look what they are doing. Look at our country, on the verge of bankruptcy. Look at who they support and give billions of dollars to. Israel. And they want to take our social security. |
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I am not talking about government. I am talking about engineers and physicists. Even learned about it from Civil engineering teachers in college but I guess the government paid them off too right?
Yep. You got that right. Besides there are other engineers that have different opinions. Also, the site was cleared and there was no way to study the evidence. Cover up. Did you read the PDF file I posted? Can you answer the questions at the end of the file? |
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I am not talking about government. I am talking about engineers and physicists. Even learned about it from Civil engineering teachers in college but I guess the government paid them off too right?
Yep. You got that right. Besides there are other engineers that have different opinions. Also, the site was cleared and there was no way to study the evidence. Cover up. Did you read the PDF file I posted? Can you answer the questions at the end of the file? I can say that the insulation used in the building is what fueled the fire and they have since changed building standards to use different insulation for buildings over a certain height. That is one thing we discussed with the civil engineering professor. It caused the fires to burn even hotter and that was not in the calculations. |
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How about Popular Mechanics?
Are you kidding? Why should I believe or trust anyone who supports the official story? They are paid to print their propaganda. It's not about believing some supposed 'authority.' It is about opening your eyes to the lies they have already told us and losing faith in anything they say. That means ANYTHING. I don't trust them. I don't believe them anymore. Its sad but true. Look what they have done. Look what they are doing. Look at our country, on the verge of bankruptcy. Look at who they support and give billions of dollars to. Israel. And they want to take our social security.
Popular Mechanics doesn't want your social security. Except maybe for a subscription to their magazine!
Maybe all the scientist and engineers (even though not governmental) at Popular Mechanics found out the same thing that all the other scientists and engineers found out... THAT IT WAS THE PLANES FLOWN BY AL-QAIDA WHICH DESTROYED THE WTC
Just because NIST found out the same thing doesn't make it wrong!
I'm beginning to think that the reason you guys keep posting anti-Jewish conspiracy theories is that you work undercover for Israel and you want to keep the focus on anti-semitic conspiracy theories and Nazi propaganda just to show how silly they are!
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Slowhand1: Misdirection and pretending not to understand what I am saying about how our social security is being threatened is a poor tactic.
Our social security is being threatened, and yet we send billions of dollars to Israel and support them with troops in the countries surrounding them that they are oppressing and bombing. We are fighting a made up enemy called AL-QAIDA that does not actually exist except in propaganda campaigns. Al-qaida does not exist. They made it up, they created it. It is all part of the game. Stop supporting Israel. There is NO REASON TO SUPPORT ISRAEL. Take our troops out of the Middle east. My message from another thread: THE BIGGEST LIE: This tyranny is supported by the lies in the Bible and the story of Abraham which has spawned all the Abrahamic based religions and the idea that the Jews are the chosen people.
Balderdash! Prove it! These religions have been at each others throats for centuries, killing, torturing, committing genocide etc. The people are divided. I want it stopped! Stop it! Grow up and find the truth. If you think you are right and if you insist that the Bible is true then the prove it! Don't ask me to have faith in that false doctrine until you can present valid verifiable evidence to consider. I will demand proof, or I will continue to challenge your faith in that lie. The reason is because of the state of the world today. We are on the brink of self destruction because of our belief in a lie. All major conflicts are in the middle east and surround the lie about the so-call "chosen people" who claim to be the descendants of Abraham. I say Abraham and all those descendants are fictional characters including Jesus, Mary and all the rest. People need to wake up and put their personal belief on the shelf long enough to be rational and search for real evidence about the information they have put their faith in. Until then, I have to say, its all false. I want evidence and proof if you are going to claim your information is true. That does not make me a bad person. I am simply fed up with the division of the people of the world and all the killing and wars over a lie. It is the biggest lie ever sold. |
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Slowhand1: Misdirection and pretending not to understand what I am saying about how our social security is being threatened is a poor tactic. Our social security is being threatened, and yet we send billions of dollars to Israel and support them with troops in the countries surrounding them that they are oppressing and bombing. We are fighting a made up enemy called AL-QAIDA that does not actually exist except in propaganda campaigns. Al-qaida does not exist. They made it up, they created it. It is all part of the game. Stop supporting Israel. There is NO REASON TO SUPPORT ISRAEL. Take our troops out of the Middle east. My message from another thread: THE BIGGEST LIE: This tyranny is supported by the lies in the Bible and the story of Abraham which has spawned all the Abrahamic based religions and the idea that the Jews are the chosen people.
Balderdash! Prove it! These religions have been at each others throats for centuries, killing, torturing, committing genocide etc. The people are divided. I want it stopped! Stop it! Grow up and find the truth. If you think you are right and if you insist that the Bible is true then the prove it! Don't ask me to have faith in that false doctrine until you can present valid verifiable evidence to consider. I will demand proof, or I will continue to challenge your faith in that lie. The reason is because of the state of the world today. We are on the brink of self destruction because of our belief in a lie. All major conflicts are in the middle east and surround the lie about the so-call "chosen people" who claim to be the descendants of Abraham. I say Abraham and all those descendants are fictional characters including Jesus, Mary and all the rest. People need to wake up and put their personal belief on the shelf long enough to be rational and search for real evidence about the information they have put their faith in. Until then, I have to say, its all false. I want evidence and proof if you are going to claim your information is true. That does not make me a bad person. I am simply fed up with the division of the people of the world and all the killing and wars over a lie. It is the biggest lie ever sold.
Just ignorance. THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO SUPPORT ISRAEL!! Lovely people, Muslims, Jews and Christians and others alike. Free and well educated and democratic. Just surrounded by Islamic dictatorships and terrorists like Hezbollah and Hamas and Iran who dredge up Nazi era garbage and want to destroy them because they are tolerant of Jews and Christians! So you don't think Al-Qaida ever existed?
Who made up all the Bin Laden videos? George W. Bush? Netanyahu?!
I will agree with you on this point however - Christians, Hebrews and Muslims all worship the same unique God and there is no reason why they should fight. Interestingly enough, it is in Israel where they live peacefully together for the most part respecting each others observance and holy sites. It is in the Islamic countries where Judaism and Christianity is not tolerated by the government. Disgusting. So...I say "SUPPORT ISRAEL" and rout the terrorists! The amount of money we send Israel is tiny in the grand scheme of things and supports our longtime peaceful allies and people who are actually trying to live in peace and mutual respect. 
Our social security is being threatened by many other worse financial policies - like not having single payer healthcare for instance. Foreign support is a drop in the bucket.
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Jeanniebean
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Who made up all the Bin Laden videos? George W. Bush?
Netanyahu?! Bin Laden was fighting for what he believed in like everyone else. It is the idea that he was the head of a huge terrorist network that is balderdash propaganda. Bin Laden was also fighting against the drug lords and he burned drug crops and cut off the drug supply that American and the CIA black ops teams needed for trade. He was a Saudi Prince, protected by political friends also. George Bush was great friends and business partners with his family. Bin Laden's family was at the Bush ranch when the planes hit the twin towers. They were secretly flown out of the country. It all bull crap. I don't believe them or trust them. |
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Who made up all the Bin Laden videos? George W. Bush?
Netanyahu?! Bin Laden was fighting for what he believed in like everyone else. It is the idea that he was the head of a huge terrorist network that is balderdash propaganda. Bin Laden was also fighting against the drug lords and he burned drug crops and cut off the drug supply that American and the CIA black ops teams needed for trade. He was a Saudi Prince, protected by political friends also. George Bush was great friends and business partners with his family. Bin Laden's family was at the Bush ranch when the planes hit the twin towers. They were secretly flown out of the country. It all bull crap. I don't believe them or trust them. Yah. I know who Bin Laden was and about his family. They didn't all support Osama's twisted view of the world. Here is the info on Al-Qaida: Al-Qaeda (Arabic: القاعدة, al-qāʿidah, Arabic: [ælˈqɑːʕɪdɐ], English: /ælˈkaɪdə/ al-ky-də), alternatively spelled al-Qaida and sometimes al-Qa'ida, is a global militant Sunni Islamist group founded by Osama bin Laden sometime between August 1988[6] and late 1989.[7] It operates as a network comprising both a multinational, stateless army[8] and a radical Sunni Muslim movement calling for global Jihad. Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various countries, such as the 11 September attacks, 1998 US embassy bombings and 2002 Bali bombings. The US government responded by launching the War on Terror. Al-Qaeda has continued to exist and grew through the decade from 2001 to 2011.[9] Characteristic techniques include suicide attacks and simultaneous bombings of different targets.[10] Activities ascribed to it may involve members of the movement, who have taken a pledge of loyalty to Osama bin Laden, or the much more numerous "al-Qaeda-linked" individuals who have undergone training in one of its camps in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq or Sudan, but not taken any pledge.[11] Al-Qaeda ideologues envision a complete break from the foreign influences in Muslim countries, and the creation of a new Islamic caliphate. Reported beliefs include that a Christian-Jewish alliance is conspiring to destroy Islam,[12] which is largely embodied in the U.S.-Israel alliance, and that the killing of bystanders and civilians is religiously justified in jihad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda It is what it is. |
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