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Topic: The difference between being a widow or widower and getting
GreenEyes48's photo
Fri 09/23/11 07:06 AM
My marriage was great! I didn't want to lose my husband. But he developed cancer last year and passed away...There's a big difference between being a widow or widower and deciding to end a marriage through a divorce. Don't you think?...I went through a divorce earlier in life. My first marriage ended due to conflicts and unresolved problems. It was a sad time. But in the end I was ready to be "free" again...But I wasn't ready to end my last marriage. Things were going great! I wanted to stay married. But my husband was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer and died 13 months later...Anyway I think we're in "different places" when we find ourselves single again. Some of us have walked out of "unhappy marriages." And some of us planned to stay married and wanted to stay married but our spouse died. Sad!....How do you feel about it? Thanks.

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Fri 09/23/11 08:15 AM
Is very sad but as the day grows into days live changes whenever
you meet persons ibelieve you are now fine from your sad news thank God you have


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Fri 09/23/11 08:16 AM

Is very sad but as the day grows into days live changes whenever
you meet persons ibelieve you are now fine from your sad news thank God you have


LoweredExpectations's photo
Fri 09/23/11 10:43 AM
As you say, "some of us planned to stay married and wanted to stay married but our spouse died. "
but there is another ending, too...
"but did not die, but instead took another path."

Those not widowed cannot know all that it entails. But loss of some sort appears universal in this world.

Where I live, the society is very supportive of widows and widowers, and very unsupportive of divorcees. That's Ohio, by the way.

My neighbor of many years ago just last week related a story to me about something my then-wife told her shortly after she moved next door. Here: Let me find the quote and paste it:

"I remember your ex's comment about being uncomfortable about having a divorced woman and 2 kids living next door."

People here have an affinity for people like themselves: White, married stay-at-home moms socialize with other white, married, stay-at-home moms. They go to the same fitness center, shop at the same grocery store, drive a minivan and vacation at Disney World. They don't shift to different social groups and feel threatened by people who made choices different than they made. A married working mother just doesn't fit in, for example. Many times, their men do not have their own social lives: I asked my friend Kevin if he was free to do something that Saturday. His response: "I have no idea what we're doing this weekend. When Josie tells me to get in the car is the first time I know where we're going or who we're seeing."

So when I became divorced, I was ejected from the social group. And no, it's not because anyone took sides; it's just that they feel uncomfortable. They don't know what to say, they don't know how to help, and they don't know how to maintain the friendship with someone who is no longer part of a couple.

If my wife had been killed in a car accident, I think the response would have been more compassionate, and the loss perhaps easier to take??? I don't know, but that is my suspicion.

So GreenEyes, did you experience anything similar when you were divorced vs. widowed?





Seakolony's photo
Fri 09/23/11 10:56 AM

As you say, "some of us planned to stay married and wanted to stay married but our spouse died. "
but there is another ending, too...
"but did not die, but instead took another path."

Those not widowed cannot know all that it entails. But loss of some sort appears universal in this world.

Where I live, the society is very supportive of widows and widowers, and very unsupportive of divorcees. That's Ohio, by the way.

My neighbor of many years ago just last week related a story to me about something my then-wife told her shortly after she moved next door. Here: Let me find the quote and paste it:

"I remember your ex's comment about being uncomfortable about having a divorced woman and 2 kids living next door."

People here have an affinity for people like themselves: White, married stay-at-home moms socialize with other white, married, stay-at-home moms. They go to the same fitness center, shop at the same grocery store, drive a minivan and vacation at Disney World. They don't shift to different social groups and feel threatened by people who made choices different than they made. A married working mother just doesn't fit in, for example. Many times, their men do not have their own social lives: I asked my friend Kevin if he was free to do something that Saturday. His response: "I have no idea what we're doing this weekend. When Josie tells me to get in the car is the first time I know where we're going or who we're seeing."

So when I became divorced, I was ejected from the social group. And no, it's not because anyone took sides; it's just that they feel uncomfortable. They don't know what to say, they don't know how to help, and they don't know how to maintain the friendship with someone who is no longer part of a couple.

If my wife had been killed in a car accident, I think the response would have been more compassionate, and the loss perhaps easier to take??? I don't know, but that is my suspicion.

So GreenEyes, did you experience anything similar when you were divorced vs. widowed?






I find it very sad that in order to stay in a marriage and get along you have to lose that independent part of yourself.....or be unable to communicate and make occassional time for yourself without it causing problem in that societal community....I would have told my partner to enjoy himself and have a good time and I would see him home later I could handle things this time....even twice a month or once a week male bonding time is not unheard of

delilady's photo
Fri 09/23/11 11:35 AM
One of my closest friends met her husband at the age of 7 (he was her older brother's best friend). She started dating him at 14 and married him at 18. She had a wonderful life with him until he died of a heart attack when she was 44. I spent years listening to her grief. Each year she grew a little stonger. It has been 12 years now. She wants so badly to find that feeling again. She aches for those years.

During this whole time I was in a miserable marriage. I use to question why life is so cruel. Her love was so wonderful and it was taken from her and I was afraid to venture on my own until my sons were older. As things worsened in my marriage, our roles reversed and she became the one giving support and encouraged me to give myself a chance to have a happy life.

Both of us are single for different reasons. Her happy years were her marriage. My happiness is being single. Both of us have faced the darkest days. I will never understand her pain. I wish I knew what it was like to have a love and a relationship like she had. I truly believe that my life is easier because I don't miss what I never had. She has to live with the thought that she may never have it again.

She dates in the hope of finding what she lost. I don't date at all because being alone is better than what I had.




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Fri 09/23/11 12:28 PM
During this whole time I was in a miserable marriage. I use to question why life is so cruel. Her love was so wonderful and it was taken from her and I was afraid to venture on my own until my sons were older. As things worsened in my marriage, our roles reversed and she became the one giving support and encouraged me to give myself a chance to have a happy life.

Jayne, this paragraph brought tears to my eyes :heart:

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Fri 09/23/11 12:40 PM

My marriage was great! I didn't want to lose my husband. But he developed cancer last year and passed away...There's a big difference between being a widow or widower and deciding to end a marriage through a divorce. Don't you think?...I went through a divorce earlier in life. My first marriage ended due to conflicts and unresolved problems. It was a sad time. But in the end I was ready to be "free" again...But I wasn't ready to end my last marriage. Things were going great! I wanted to stay married. But my husband was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer and died 13 months later...Anyway I think we're in "different places" when we find ourselves single again. Some of us have walked out of "unhappy marriages." And some of us planned to stay married and wanted to stay married but our spouse died. Sad!....How do you feel about it? Thanks.


I think you have a very valid point.
Divorce- you wanted to get rid of them, or weer forced to get out against your will.
Death- They were taken/ stolen from you.

Both require a certain grieving period. But divorce leaves more marks and possible scars then losing one to death. Both can scare you enough to not want to try again.

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Fri 09/23/11 12:45 PM


My marriage was great! I didn't want to lose my husband. But he developed cancer last year and passed away...There's a big difference between being a widow or widower and deciding to end a marriage through a divorce. Don't you think?...I went through a divorce earlier in life. My first marriage ended due to conflicts and unresolved problems. It was a sad time. But in the end I was ready to be "free" again...But I wasn't ready to end my last marriage. Things were going great! I wanted to stay married. But my husband was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer and died 13 months later...Anyway I think we're in "different places" when we find ourselves single again. Some of us have walked out of "unhappy marriages." And some of us planned to stay married and wanted to stay married but our spouse died. Sad!....How do you feel about it? Thanks.


I think you have a very valid point.
Divorce- you wanted to get rid of them, or weer forced to get out against your will.
Death- They were taken/ stolen from you.

Both require a certain grieving period. But divorce leaves more marks and possible scars then losing one to death. Both can scare you enough to not want to try again.
:thumbsup:

GreenEyes48's photo
Fri 09/23/11 12:49 PM
Thanks to each and everyone of you for your helpful and insightful posts...All of my friends are still married and I feel like the "odd person" now. It's sure a weird feeling and something I didn't anticipate! Everyone has been caring towards me but they don't know how to relate to my new "state." My husband was always very youthful and they probably even forget that he is gone now and that I am alone! And I don't want to be a pest or a burden on anyone...It was easier when I got divorced earlier in life. I didn't feel quite so alone back then. Half of my friends were divorced too. (Because we all got married "too young" the first time around!)..And the friends who were still married invited me over a lot and took me under their "wings." I was friends with both the wives and husbands and we all felt like "family" together...But now things seem really different. Sometimes I feel like a "leper" or a "jinx" (or ???) with some friends. Maybe my husband's death scares them because we are all older now. Not sure!

GreenEyes48's photo
Fri 09/23/11 01:06 PM
LoweredExpectations...Thanks for all you wrote. I'm sorry that things were so rough for you (in Ohio) when you got divorced. I wrote about my experiences in another post. Maybe different states and regions view things differently. I live out in the West. This can be a very "youthful culture" and I think people handle divorce here better than death! Of course this is a broad assumption but I'm just trying to figure things out now!...Death may be viewed as something that happens to "old people" even though this isn't always true! Maybe I'm associated .with death and "being old" now too! Not sure! I'll have to think about it a little more.

Sandelwood4's photo
Fri 09/23/11 01:29 PM
Edited by Sandelwood4 on Fri 09/23/11 01:32 PM


My marriage was great! I didn't want to lose my husband. But he developed cancer last year and passed away...There's a big difference between being a widow or widower and deciding to end a marriage through a divorce. Don't you think?...I went through a divorce earlier in life. My first marriage ended due to conflicts and unresolved problems. It was a sad time. But in the end I was ready to be "free" again...But I wasn't ready to end my last marriage. Things were going great! I wanted to stay married. But my husband was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer and died 13 months later...Anyway I think we're in "different places" when we find ourselves single again. Some of us have walked out of "unhappy marriages." And some of us planned to stay married and wanted to stay married but our spouse died. Sad!....How do you feel about it? Thanks.


I think you have a very valid point.
Divorce- you wanted to get rid of them, or weer forced to get out against your will.
Death- They were taken/ stolen from you.

Both require a certain grieving period. But divorce leaves more marks and possible scars then losing one to death. Both can scare you enough to not want to try again.


Great insights. In addition to that, I think losing a partner through death can make a valuable relationship even more appreciated. Anytime someone you care about dies, your perspectives changes and you value things you may have taken for granted. On the other hand someones personality and situation might be so unique that a divorce or death affects them equally. Difficult to predict as situations are so different.


justme659's photo
Fri 09/23/11 02:44 PM
Edited by justme659 on Fri 09/23/11 02:50 PM
What is the difference? I wish I knew. When I went through my divorce there was a period of adjustment loosing long time friends and family. Yet it was a time to open up to new, single friends. Why, well at first I did not want to have the stigma of being worth-less than being married.Later I realised that I was free of constant verbal abuse. I know that sounds strange, but it is how I felt.

Now that my fiance has passed away suddenly, (I did not want to loose him either) we never got the chance to be married, so I can't claim the status of widow. I seem to have no place in a society of labels. (Not that I need a label other than mom) Yet sometimes I feel that I am treated differently than when I was divorced, people do not know how to respond to me now because I do not fit into their neat catagories.

Ok, my last thoughts,it has been my experence with others in my town that Widows/widowers are pitied more and divorcees of the opposite sex as your mate are considered on the prowl and dangerous to the family unit. I do not know why.

GreenEyes48's photo
Sat 09/24/11 10:45 AM

What is the difference? I wish I knew. When I went through my divorce there was a period of adjustment loosing long time friends and family. Yet it was a time to open up to new, single friends. Why, well at first I did not want to have the stigma of being worth-less than being married.Later I realised that I was free of constant verbal abuse. I know that sounds strange, but it is how I felt.

Now that my fiance has passed away suddenly, (I did not want to loose him either) we never got the chance to be married, so I can't claim the status of widow. I seem to have no place in a society of labels. (Not that I need a label other than mom) Yet sometimes I feel that I am treated differently than when I was divorced, people do not know how to respond to me now because I do not fit into their neat catagories.

Ok, my last thoughts,it has been my experence with others in my town that Widows/widowers are pitied more and divorcees of the opposite sex as your mate are considered on the prowl and dangerous to the family unit. I do not know why.
I'm so sorry you lost your fiance before you had a chance to start a new life together.

mssilverfox's photo
Sat 09/24/11 11:34 AM

My marriage was great! I didn't want to lose my husband. But he developed cancer last year and passed away...There's a big difference between being a widow or widower and deciding to end a marriage through a divorce. Don't you think?...I went through a divorce earlier in life. My first marriage ended due to conflicts and unresolved problems. It was a sad time. But in the end I was ready to be "free" again...But I wasn't ready to end my last marriage. Things were going great! I wanted to stay married. But my husband was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer and died 13 months later...Anyway I think we're in "different places" when we find ourselves single again. Some of us have walked out of "unhappy marriages." And some of us planned to stay married and wanted to stay married but our spouse died. Sad!....How do you feel about it? Thanks.



I agree...I was divorced and then lost my second husband thru illness after 26 yrs of marriage..

RainbowTrout's photo
Sat 09/24/11 03:54 PM
Divorce is like when you can't wait to get rid of them. Death is when you are not ready to let them go.

oldsage's photo
Sun 09/25/11 07:03 AM
For me being a widow or widower, means you were FORCED to join a very exclusive club, that we DID NOT want to be in. The feelings of loss, NEVER go away, we just learn to handle them better. One moment the world is fine & life is going on & suddenly that feeling of loss GRABS us & all the grief & pain comes back, like it was just yesterday. I am divorced once & then a widower, so feel both sides.
The divorce was my choice, wish the other had allowed a choice. Think I would take death, rather than it taking Gwen. Just NO FREEDOM of choice. I would offer to all widow & widower's, find a group of people with the same experiences, it helps. I foo foo'd that for several years. Then a friend lead me to a group & I was amazed. It really hepled to talk with peers. Try it, you just never know.

Lee3434's photo
Sun 09/25/11 06:27 PM
How true about divorced women/men. You lose your social contacts because they dont know what to say so say nothing at all. After a divorce you lose a family(the exes) and friends. The flip side to that is that once divorced you are "needy" thus at the mercy of people who think they know what you want or think you are after their spouses..Either way..social connections are very difficult. My opinion on widowhood, i dont know..people say its alot worse especially the grieving process.

ChristinaLostLette's photo
Sun 09/25/11 10:23 PM
If someone was to compare haveing your spouse die and getting a divorce and think they are even near the same level said person should be smacked in the back of their head, Gibbs style. They are completely different!

LoweredExpectations's photo
Mon 09/26/11 07:23 AM
In my divorce, I lost my best friend (spouse), almost all my family (biologically my ex's), my social group, and my two eldest daughters. I thought loss was universal and my sentiments empathetic toward the widowed. Perhaps sympathetic would be the better word, if they are that different. Either way, my heart goes out.

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