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Topic: "Educators"
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 10/20/11 11:02 AM



I am not a believer in "religion". I do however, believe in individual rights and don't think ANYONE (according to the constitution) has the ability to limit a persons belief or reverance to "their" god except when it imposes upon the rights of another.

"Congress shall write NO laws..."

I did not vote to make "religion" politicaly correct in school, the court rooms, my gov't offices or anywhere else.... did you?

I do believe in the fundemental teachings of the Ten Commandments (good rules of thumb) for their basic moral values, but they are what they are, good teachings to follow.

"Religion", faith, is not a bad thing! It is the delivery vehicle that bothers me..... the "teachers".... that some choose to follow. There is good and evil in all things, often guidance is the issue.

In both church and state, I believe it should be a local issue, the will of the people, with NOBODY punished or singled out for their belief, again, accept when it is imposed upon another against their will.



The ambiguous concept of being 'imposed' upon seems to be difficult to determine

IN a truly 'free' country, where we are each supposed to be free to speak our minds(when its not going to cause riot or confusion), we are all imposed upon in some way whenever others speak things we dont agree with

but if its 'religious' its particularly singled out more than any other issue or topic,, which I think is an abuse of what the constitution actually says,,, just as much as allowing everyone to have semi automatic weapons would be an abuse of the second amendment,,,,,


School is not the place to teach religion unless it is a sectorial/church sponsored school. Public schools need restrictions against religious teachings simply because they ARE public and therefore must be unbiased in their teachings and adherance to public opinion and rights.

If you don't send your child to school (with the option of home schooling excluded) you can be penalized. Private schools cost money many can't afford. I don't want my child, attending public school, to come home and tell me they can't talk to me because some teacher said I was wrong in my training or teaching of them! If that were to be the case, when our children are of school age, we might as well pack their bags and send them off to be brainwashed for 12 years!

msharmony's photo
Thu 10/20/11 11:05 AM




I am not a believer in "religion". I do however, believe in individual rights and don't think ANYONE (according to the constitution) has the ability to limit a persons belief or reverance to "their" god except when it imposes upon the rights of another.

"Congress shall write NO laws..."

I did not vote to make "religion" politicaly correct in school, the court rooms, my gov't offices or anywhere else.... did you?

I do believe in the fundemental teachings of the Ten Commandments (good rules of thumb) for their basic moral values, but they are what they are, good teachings to follow.

"Religion", faith, is not a bad thing! It is the delivery vehicle that bothers me..... the "teachers".... that some choose to follow. There is good and evil in all things, often guidance is the issue.

In both church and state, I believe it should be a local issue, the will of the people, with NOBODY punished or singled out for their belief, again, accept when it is imposed upon another against their will.



The ambiguous concept of being 'imposed' upon seems to be difficult to determine

IN a truly 'free' country, where we are each supposed to be free to speak our minds(when its not going to cause riot or confusion), we are all imposed upon in some way whenever others speak things we dont agree with

but if its 'religious' its particularly singled out more than any other issue or topic,, which I think is an abuse of what the constitution actually says,,, just as much as allowing everyone to have semi automatic weapons would be an abuse of the second amendment,,,,,


School is not the place to teach religion unless it is a sectorial/church sponsored school. Public schools need restrictions against religious teachings simply because they ARE public and therefore must be unbiased in their teachings and adherance to public opinion and rights.

If you don't send your child to school (with the option of home schooling excluded) you can be penalized. Private schools cost money many can't afford. I don't want my child, attending public school, to come home and tell me they can't talk to me because some teacher said I was wrong in my training or teaching of them! If that were to be the case, when our children are of school age, we might as well pack their bags and send them off to be brainwashed for 12 years!


I dont advocate for teaching religion as part of any required curriculum. I just advocate for the EXTREMES to be removed. I think electives about religion should be available(just as they are in college), call it history of religion and make it purely academic.

I also think bibles and prayers should not be in any way banned from school as 'personal' choices,, not as mandates for children.

I think where ever other types of 'offensive' behavior or beliefs are permitted to be expressed, so should religious ones.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 10/20/11 11:11 AM





I am not a believer in "religion". I do however, believe in individual rights and don't think ANYONE (according to the constitution) has the ability to limit a persons belief or reverance to "their" god except when it imposes upon the rights of another.

"Congress shall write NO laws..."

I did not vote to make "religion" politicaly correct in school, the court rooms, my gov't offices or anywhere else.... did you?

I do believe in the fundemental teachings of the Ten Commandments (good rules of thumb) for their basic moral values, but they are what they are, good teachings to follow.

"Religion", faith, is not a bad thing! It is the delivery vehicle that bothers me..... the "teachers".... that some choose to follow. There is good and evil in all things, often guidance is the issue.

In both church and state, I believe it should be a local issue, the will of the people, with NOBODY punished or singled out for their belief, again, accept when it is imposed upon another against their will.



The ambiguous concept of being 'imposed' upon seems to be difficult to determine

IN a truly 'free' country, where we are each supposed to be free to speak our minds(when its not going to cause riot or confusion), we are all imposed upon in some way whenever others speak things we dont agree with

but if its 'religious' its particularly singled out more than any other issue or topic,, which I think is an abuse of what the constitution actually says,,, just as much as allowing everyone to have semi automatic weapons would be an abuse of the second amendment,,,,,


School is not the place to teach religion unless it is a sectorial/church sponsored school. Public schools need restrictions against religious teachings simply because they ARE public and therefore must be unbiased in their teachings and adherance to public opinion and rights.

If you don't send your child to school (with the option of home schooling excluded) you can be penalized. Private schools cost money many can't afford. I don't want my child, attending public school, to come home and tell me they can't talk to me because some teacher said I was wrong in my training or teaching of them! If that were to be the case, when our children are of school age, we might as well pack their bags and send them off to be brainwashed for 12 years!


I dont advocate for teaching religion as part of any required curriculum. I just advocate for the EXTREMES to be removed. I think electives about religion should be available(just as they are in college), call it history of religion and make it purely academic.

I also think bibles and prayers should not be in any way banned from school as 'personal' choices,, not as mandates for children.

I think where ever other types of 'offensive' behavior or beliefs are permitted to be expressed, so should religious ones.


Theology, as an elective, is a choice. No problem! Blatant confrontation by teachers in general, on forming young minds.... IS WRONG!

no photo
Thu 10/20/11 11:23 AM


School is not the place to teach religion unless it is a sectorial/church sponsored school. Public schools need restrictions against religious teachings simply because they ARE public and therefore must be unbiased in their teachings and adherance to public opinion and rights.



I'm curious if you approve or disapprove of Theology being a course study in State funded Colleges? I think we would lose a lot of what history has to teach us if we were to lose this as a study and thus as a historical resource.

I took Theology in high school, before it was taken out of the high schools, and learned a great deal about history, cultures and belief systems in an educational setting...which contained no personal or religious direction whatsoever.

For a teacher to preach or for a course study to be shaped by one religious viewpoint...I disagree with completely.

But I think of it in exactly the same way as politics. A student needs to be taught about political issues and different political beliefs without being swayed to a specific political agenda by the school or its teachers. This same practice can apply to religion too.

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Thu 10/20/11 11:25 AM
Edited by Abby678 on Thu 10/20/11 11:30 AM
:tongue:

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Thu 10/20/11 11:29 AM
Edited by Abby678 on Thu 10/20/11 11:29 AM

It seems I was a little late posting...as you've already answered my own question for the most part. Sorry...phone rang mid-post. Haha.

BTW...I am 100% in agreement that teachers have no right to inflict their beliefs on the children. My Theology class in high school was a history credit, but was an optional study to other history class options. I probably agree that that is how it should be...unless a child in school is being singled out due to the lack of education of the children about their differences.


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 10/20/11 11:31 AM

Don't get me wrong! I am not against religion in any way, shape or form, it is right for some people, NOT ALL!

I choose not to have my child, who must attend a public school for their education, be exposed to such "choices" as a religious belief until they have aquired the ability of independent, free thinking, and logic. Just as there are restrictions on alcohol and other "life shaping choices" they must/will encounter in their lifetime.

I would not keep my child from attending church, excepting a religious belief, or practicing that faith. I would never FORCIBLY expose or entrap them in a situation where it became an issue!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 10/20/11 11:40 AM

We do NOT need another Inquisition! We do NOT need another Witch Hunt!

Religion is another form of governance..... thank goodness it is a choice! A PERSONAL choice!

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