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Nicely played there lol. Haha. Well, if I said I knew chit about politics.. I'd be lying out my a**... ..but since that's what politics IS.. I'd say I'm not only welcome.. ..but I fit right in. :D Ok, lemme stfu, before the OP gets mad. :X |
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Sotero was his stepfathers name and the name they used when he went to school in his stepfathers homeland it was not his birthname....or on his ss number,,,,, So, they changed his name numerous times? And they say it only takes three months for a mind to warped by the terrorist belief that 'America is the Devil'. And, idk bout you.. But my SS number.. is a number. Not a name? Or do you name linked to a number? And before you get mad.. I'm teasing. :) Ur so fun to tease. :D its all good dude, I just bore of the nonsense sometimes there are legitimate complaints and concerns, no doubt, but this stuff belongs in a trash barrel its so ridiculous and irrelevant,,, Oh no, the question of whether he is actually ELIGLIBLE to hold the Presidency isn't relevant at all...........  You're not the only one that tires of all the nonsense. there is no question, he is american born in hawaii,, HAWAIIAN officials have already verified that I dont know what more 'convincing' evidence anyone could possibly require,,, |
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Oh no, the question of whether he is actually ELIGLIBLE to hold the Presidency isn't relevant at all........... You're not the only one that tires of all the nonsense. Kleisto, you need to go back to read my post in this thread. You entered a bit after the fact. I saw it, and quite frankly I think they are lying. I don't trust them as far as I can throw em. They've lied to many times to be credible to me now. hey have proven themselves untrustworthy over and over again, so pretty much anything that will come from them is gonna be suspect to me. If they tell you something is good, chances are it's bad, if they tell you something true, it may not be at all. Call me what you will for that, but when they have shown a penchant for deceit many times over, they don't deserve my trust. The fact that the media has taken to calling people who questions this, "birthers" says something also. It tells me they don't have other arguments to back up their claims, so they must resort to insults instead to make us look stupid. They do it all the time. If what they say is true, it'd stand on its' own, there would no need for that. it doesnt matter who we 'trust', it matters who the law establishes as reliable sources when you have the STATES government verifying a document, is a citizen gonna have substantial 'evidence' that they are somehow in volved in a conspiracy to 'lie'? what court case have you EVER heard of where a state government entity is found guilty of such conspiracy and deceit? and what entity of government, if the argument is government is so deceitful, can offer evidence to the contrary that isnt just as suspect? its a ridiculous cae,,,, |
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Sotero was his stepfathers name and the name they used when he went to school in his stepfathers homeland it was not his birthname....or on his ss number,,,,, So, they changed his name numerous times? And they say it only takes three months for a mind to warped by the terrorist belief that 'America is the Devil'. And, idk bout you.. But my SS number.. is a number. Not a name? Or do you name linked to a number? And before you get mad.. I'm teasing. :) Ur so fun to tease. :D its all good dude, I just bore of the nonsense sometimes there are legitimate complaints and concerns, no doubt, but this stuff belongs in a trash barrel its so ridiculous and irrelevant,,, Oh no, the question of whether he is actually ELIGLIBLE to hold the Presidency isn't relevant at all........... You're not the only one that tires of all the nonsense. there is no question, he is american born in hawaii,, HAWAIIAN officials have already verified that I dont know what more 'convincing' evidence anyone could possibly require,,, And how do you know they're not lying? How do you know they don't have an agenda. You don't. |
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Gotta love those birthers.
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msharmony
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Sotero was his stepfathers name and the name they used when he went to school in his stepfathers homeland it was not his birthname....or on his ss number,,,,, So, they changed his name numerous times? And they say it only takes three months for a mind to warped by the terrorist belief that 'America is the Devil'. And, idk bout you.. But my SS number.. is a number. Not a name? Or do you name linked to a number? And before you get mad.. I'm teasing. :) Ur so fun to tease. :D its all good dude, I just bore of the nonsense sometimes there are legitimate complaints and concerns, no doubt, but this stuff belongs in a trash barrel its so ridiculous and irrelevant,,, Oh no, the question of whether he is actually ELIGLIBLE to hold the Presidency isn't relevant at all........... You're not the only one that tires of all the nonsense. there is no question, he is american born in hawaii,, HAWAIIAN officials have already verified that I dont know what more 'convincing' evidence anyone could possibly require,,, And how do you know they're not lying? How do you know they don't have an agenda. You don't. sure dont, but then there is no source that can refute them because we dont know that that source doesnt have an agenda and we dont know that source isnt lying whats good for the goose.......and usually the courts come down on the side of 'official' documents as opposed to documents potentially created elsewhere.... but then Im not so personally vested in attacking and hindering THIS PRESIDENT, in a system where supposedly all presidents are and have been the same but never had their eligibility questioned and doubted as strongly as THIS ONE,,,, |
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Oh no, the question of whether he is actually ELIGLIBLE to hold the Presidency isn't relevant at all........... You're not the only one that tires of all the nonsense. Kleisto, you need to go back to read my post in this thread. You entered a bit after the fact. I saw it, and quite frankly I think they are lying. I don't trust them as far as I can throw em. They've lied to many times to be credible to me now. hey have proven themselves untrustworthy over and over again, so pretty much anything that will come from them is gonna be suspect to me. If they tell you something is good, chances are it's bad, if they tell you something true, it may not be at all. Call me what you will for that, but when they have shown a penchant for deceit many times over, they don't deserve my trust. The fact that the media has taken to calling people who questions this, "birthers" says something also. It tells me they don't have other arguments to back up their claims, so they must resort to insults instead to make us look stupid. They do it all the time. If what they say is true, it'd stand on its' own, there would no need for that. it doesnt matter who we 'trust', it matters who the law establishes as reliable sources when you have the STATES government verifying a document, is a citizen gonna have substantial 'evidence' that they are somehow in volved in a conspiracy to 'lie'? what court case have you EVER heard of where a state government entity is found guilty of such conspiracy and deceit? You just proved my point. There's a reason the courts always tend to side in favor of government, and telling the truth has nothing to do with it. And in the rare case the courts DON'T, it's buried and never heard about again, just ask Jeanniebean for examples of that. |
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Gotta love those birthers. Once again, you show you have no argument if all you can do is name call. Come back with something legitimate if you wanna debate. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Mon 01/09/12 07:36 AM
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Oh no, the question of whether he is actually ELIGLIBLE to hold the Presidency isn't relevant at all........... You're not the only one that tires of all the nonsense. Kleisto, you need to go back to read my post in this thread. You entered a bit after the fact. I saw it, and quite frankly I think they are lying. I don't trust them as far as I can throw em. They've lied to many times to be credible to me now. hey have proven themselves untrustworthy over and over again, so pretty much anything that will come from them is gonna be suspect to me. If they tell you something is good, chances are it's bad, if they tell you something true, it may not be at all. Call me what you will for that, but when they have shown a penchant for deceit many times over, they don't deserve my trust. The fact that the media has taken to calling people who questions this, "birthers" says something also. It tells me they don't have other arguments to back up their claims, so they must resort to insults instead to make us look stupid. They do it all the time. If what they say is true, it'd stand on its' own, there would no need for that. it doesnt matter who we 'trust', it matters who the law establishes as reliable sources when you have the STATES government verifying a document, is a citizen gonna have substantial 'evidence' that they are somehow in volved in a conspiracy to 'lie'? what court case have you EVER heard of where a state government entity is found guilty of such conspiracy and deceit? You just proved my point. There's a reason the courts always tend to side in favor of government, and telling the truth has nothing to do with it. And in the rare case the courts DON'T, it's buried and never heard about again, just ask Jeanniebean for examples of that. Im proving the hypocrisy , not a point the statement that we dont 'know' people havent lied or conspired because thats what people do,,,,then refutes any reason to believe those who are contesting his eligibility they are 'people' who might have agendas too it just amazes me that people are so DETERMINED to try to prove something that is almost impossible to prove , why its so important for them to do so with THIS president,,,,, that the HAWAIIAN state officials would lie ,but disgruntled citizens and lawyers who have some peculiar personal hatred for this president wouldnt,,,,is a ridiculous argument and a ridiculous case |
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Edited by
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Mon 01/09/12 07:43 AM
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Oh no, the question of whether he is actually ELIGLIBLE to hold the Presidency isn't relevant at all........... You're not the only one that tires of all the nonsense. Kleisto, you need to go back to read my post in this thread. You entered a bit after the fact. I saw it, and quite frankly I think they are lying. I don't trust them as far as I can throw em. They've lied to many times to be credible to me now. hey have proven themselves untrustworthy over and over again, so pretty much anything that will come from them is gonna be suspect to me. If they tell you something is good, chances are it's bad, if they tell you something true, it may not be at all. Call me what you will for that, but when they have shown a penchant for deceit many times over, they don't deserve my trust. The fact that the media has taken to calling people who questions this, "birthers" says something also. It tells me they don't have other arguments to back up their claims, so they must resort to insults instead to make us look stupid. They do it all the time. If what they say is true, it'd stand on its' own, there would no need for that. it doesnt matter who we 'trust', it matters who the law establishes as reliable sources when you have the STATES government verifying a document, is a citizen gonna have substantial 'evidence' that they are somehow in volved in a conspiracy to 'lie'? what court case have you EVER heard of where a state government entity is found guilty of such conspiracy and deceit? You just proved my point. There's a reason the courts always tend to side in favor of government, and telling the truth has nothing to do with it. And in the rare case the courts DON'T, it's buried and never heard about again, just ask Jeanniebean for examples of that. Im proving the hypocrisy , not a point the statement that we dont 'know' people havent lied or conspired because thats what people do,,,,then refutes any reason to believe those who are contesting his eligibility they are 'people' who might have agendas too it just amazes me that people are so DETERMINED to try to prove something that is almost impossible to prove , why its so important for them to do so with THIS president,,,,, that the HAWAIIAN state officials would lie ,but disgruntled citizens and lawyers who have some peculiar personal hatred for this president wouldnt,,,,is a ridiculous argument and a ridiculous case When all government has shown me is a propensity to lie and cover up many times, you bet your *** I'm going to question them. And it's not just this president either, it's the system as a whole that we hate. This is just a sign of the problems. Regardless we're not going to go away no matter how much you may want us to, we demand the truth, and aren't gonna settle for anything less. Maybe you wanna drink the kool aid you're being fed but we're damn sick of it. And you still proved my point anyway, the courts by and large are in the backpocket of the government, very rare is it anymore they rule in our better interests. THAT's why you never hear of cases like you spoke of. |
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Whatever it takes to get Hussein out in 2012.
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Did you know that there is a better case against Sen. John McCain's citizenship status?
He was born in Panama, but because of the laws regarding the Canal Zone, McCain did not receive citizenship until months after his birth. Because he was not born a citizen under territorial laws, it is questionable whether he is a natural born citizen despite having American parents. This issue was brought up in 2008, but it had not been nearly as publicized as the questions surrounding Obama's citizenship status. That's called a double-standard. Come to think of it, how do we you are a natural born citizen? If we cannot believe any documentation you provide because of the government, then all we have is the word of whatever witnesses you provide. But how do we know they aren't lying? In fact, how do we know that your parents were U.S. citizens? Perhaps we should strip you of your right to vote until you can furnish indisputable proof of your citizenship. Maybe I should be stripped of it too, for the same reasons. My God! Perhaps we should strip everybody's right to vote until they can prove absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are indeed U.S. citizens. Uh-oh, that would disqualify every elected official from public office. In fact, we would have to disband the government because without any eligible voters, we can't hold any elections. Not to mention, we can't even find any eligible candidates because they cannot adequately prove citizenship. All because we cannot trust the government to even furnish accurate proof of our births. |
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Did you know that there is a better case against Sen. John McCain's citizenship status? He was born in Panama, but because of the laws regarding the Canal Zone, McCain did not receive citizenship until months after his birth. Because he was not born a citizen under territorial laws, it is questionable whether he is a natural born citizen despite having American parents. This issue was brought up in 2008, but it had not been nearly as publicized as the questions surrounding Obama's citizenship status. That's called a double-standard. Come to think of it, how do we you are a natural born citizen? If we cannot believe any documentation you provide because of the government, then all we have is the word of whatever witnesses you provide. But how do we know they aren't lying? In fact, how do we know that your parents were U.S. citizens? Perhaps we should strip you of your right to vote until you can furnish indisputable proof of your citizenship. Maybe I should be stripped of it too, for the same reasons. My God! Perhaps we should strip everybody's right to vote until they can prove absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are indeed U.S. citizens. Uh-oh, that would disqualify every elected official from public office. In fact, we would have to disband the government because without any eligible voters, we can't hold any elections. Not to mention, we can't even find any eligible candidates because they cannot adequately prove citizenship. All because we cannot trust the government to even furnish accurate proof of our births. Yes! Disband! Whoohoo!! As for double standards.. I kind of see a difference between the two scenarios though. I mean, the idea, or concept, or whatever word you want to use; I agree is indeed similar; your double standard as you put it. But one is said to be from Panama.. ..and the other is said to from, idk, what was it now? 3 different places? Regardless.. Is said to have times with Muslims; the ones we were and are at war with.. I think that negates the double standard and turns it far more into the boundaries of profiling. Unless we have a conflict with Panama I'm not aware of? Which in case, nvm this whole statement. Furthermore... I doubt highly that anyone in Panama would even believe that McCain, the butt nugget he is, would be a Spanish Panamonian. (totally made that word cause it just sounds cool) I'd mistaken him more for an albino before a Spanish guy. Obama.. well, yeah. Just saying, though, you do have a point. |
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Gotta love those birthers. Once again, you show you have no argument if all you can do is name call. Come back with something legitimate if you wanna debate. Not much can be debated when it comes to birthers. Nothing they've been given has been good enough. It's been done over and over and over and over. |
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Yes! Disband! Whoohoo!! As for double standards.. I kind of see a difference between the two scenarios though. I mean, the idea, or concept, or whatever word you want to use; I agree is indeed similar; your double standard as you put it. But one is said to be from Panama.. ..and the other is said to from, idk, what was it now? 3 different places? Regardless.. Is said to have times with Muslims; the ones we were and are at war with.. I think that negates the double standard and turns it far more into the boundaries of profiling. Unless we have a conflict with Panama I'm not aware of? Which in case, nvm this whole statement. Furthermore... I doubt highly that anyone in Panama would even believe that McCain, the butt nugget he is, would be a Spanish Panamonian. (totally made that word cause it just sounds cool) I'd mistaken him more for an albino before a Spanish guy. Obama.. well, yeah. Just saying, though, you do have a point. Well, the thing about Obama is that he was born in Hawaii. His father was a student in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth. His parents were wed in Hawaii shortly before his birth. There are records for all of this. Plus notice of his birth was published in two Honolulu newspapers - a matter of public record which can be verified through periodical archives. All of these records and documentation prove the Kenyan birth certificate was a fake. Did Obama live in multiple places when he was young? Yes, he did, but that was after his biological father had divorced his mother, leaving yet another record in Hawaii. The move to Indonesia did not occur until Obama was 6 years old, and he only stayed there until he was 10, one year short of the required minimum residence for Indonesian citizenship. So the one remaining question has been dual citizenship. Because of Kenyan law, Obama did indeed have the right to claim Kenyan citizenship through his biological father. However, Obama never did claim it which is a matter of both U.S. and Kenyan documentation. That's because Obama would have had to file paperwork with both renouncing U.S. citizenship. There is no such documentation within either government, causing Obama to lose any claim to citizenship in Kenya. Any remaining issues are a matter of reading citizenship laws, which I personally have done. Hence I know anyone here can do the same. With McCain, the situation is different in that he was born in another country to American parents, one of whom was serving in the U.S. military at the time. Since the term "natural-born citizen" has never been clearly defined with U.S. law (including the Constitution), the debate is over whether McCain qualifies due to parentage while his father was deployed overseas. If U.S. citizenship laws regarding the Canal Zone had been altered just a few months sooner, there would be no question as to McCain's citizenship status at all. So the debate over Obama's citizenship is nothing more than a witch-hunt. It has nothing to do with clarifying the term "natural-born citizen" within U.S. law, otherwise McCain's case would receive more attention. Instead, this is about simply crucifying Barack Obama because: a) he's half-black, b) he's Muslim, and c) he's a Democrat. The issue did not surface just recently. The first surfaced in 2008 during the Democratic primaries. In fact, the initial questions of Obama's birth were linked to Hilary Clinton's campaign, not the Republican Party. However, it is Obama's opponents outside the Democratic Party which have allowed the accusations to persist, the famous being Donald Trump. If some people do not want to believe any of this, I can't make them do the research themselves. They certainly aren't going to believe anything I tell them. They'll only be convinced by seeing it for themselves. All I can say is that enough documentation exists, and not all of it is from government sources. |
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Well, the thing about Obama is that he was born in Hawaii. His father was a student in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth. His parents were wed in Hawaii shortly before his birth. There are records for all of this. Plus notice of his birth was published in two Honolulu newspapers - a matter of public record which can be verified through periodical archives. All of these records and documentation prove the Kenyan birth certificate was a fake. Did Obama live in multiple places when he was young? Yes, he did, but that was after his biological father had divorced his mother, leaving yet another record in Hawaii. The move to Indonesia did not occur until Obama was 6 years old, and he only stayed there until he was 10, one year short of the required minimum residence for Indonesian citizenship. So the one remaining question has been dual citizenship. Because of Kenyan law, Obama did indeed have the right to claim Kenyan citizenship through his biological father. However, Obama never did claim it which is a matter of both U.S. and Kenyan documentation. That's because Obama would have had to file paperwork with both renouncing U.S. citizenship. There is no such documentation within either government, causing Obama to lose any claim to citizenship in Kenya. Any remaining issues are a matter of reading citizenship laws, which I personally have done. Hence I know anyone here can do the same. With McCain, the situation is different in that he was born in another country to American parents, one of whom was serving in the U.S. military at the time. Since the term "natural-born citizen" has never been clearly defined with U.S. law (including the Constitution), the debate is over whether McCain qualifies due to parentage while his father was deployed overseas. If U.S. citizenship laws regarding the Canal Zone had been altered just a few months sooner, there would be no question as to McCain's citizenship status at all. So the debate over Obama's citizenship is nothing more than a witch-hunt. It has nothing to do with clarifying the term "natural-born citizen" within U.S. law, otherwise McCain's case would receive more attention. Instead, this is about simply crucifying Barack Obama because: a) he's half-black, b) he's Muslim, and c) he's a Democrat. The issue did not surface just recently. The first surfaced in 2008 during the Democratic primaries. In fact, the initial questions of Obama's birth were linked to Hilary Clinton's campaign, not the Republican Party. However, it is Obama's opponents outside the Democratic Party which have allowed the accusations to persist, the famous being Donald Trump. If some people do not want to believe any of this, I can't make them do the research themselves. They certainly aren't going to believe anything I tell them. They'll only be convinced by seeing it for themselves. All I can say is that enough documentation exists, and not all of it is from government sources. Kudos! ..but, I still think we should disband! Drop the SS crap. Everyone is a name. A place. Not a number. Leave that for assembly lines. xD |
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This whole debate is founded on the notion that Obama's birth certificate was forged. It has been reviewed time and time again, and been determined to be authentic. However, claims of forgery still persist. Therefore, this issue will never be resolved because one side refuses to accept that the document is genuine. So long as Obama was born in Hawaii, the whole discussion is moot. His father's status is of no consequence. The length of residence by his mother is of no consequence. Whether or not Hawaii had statehood is of no consequence. Why? Because residents born in the U.S. Territory of Hawaii were granted full U.S. citizenship as natural-born citizens. This special circumstance was granted to both Alaska and Hawaii, though not to other outlying territories which have their own special circumstances. So all this focus is rather ridiculous unless it can be proven that Obama was not born in Hawaii, or anywhere else within the Continental U.S. and Alaska. Everything else is just a smoke screen meant to confuse the issue. Is it just coincidence that the two states mentioned here are notorious for their racist elements? Coincidence. Conspiracy. Meh.  So you think there is no connection at all between the racism found in these states and the fact that this has happened in those states? |
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If we're gonna do that, I better start drilling in my yard for gold deposits! Otherwise, I don't think the auto manufacturers will accept rocks or leaves as payment for my next car.
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So the debate over Obama's citizenship is nothing more than a witch-hunt. It has nothing to do with clarifying the term "natural-born citizen" within U.S. law, otherwise McCain's case would receive more attention. Instead, this is about simply crucifying Barack Obama because: a) he's half-black, b) he's Muslim, and c) he's a Democrat. AL, great post. There are two other contributors to ongoing birther silliness, besides the three that you mention. Some people don't hate blacks, muslims, nor democrats, but specifically dislike Obama's style of liberalism. Also, there are people who into the 'conspiracy theory' aspect of it. They don't hate blacks, muslims, nor democrats. They might hate our government, but thats not the point. They've been exposed to some very narrow selections of evidence, and/or narrows approaches to interpreting evidence, and narrow/selective was of presenting logic. |
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Oh no, the question of whether he is actually ELIGLIBLE to hold the Presidency isn't relevant at all........... You're not the only one that tires of all the nonsense. Kleisto, you need to go back to read my post in this thread. You entered a bit after the fact. I saw it, and quite frankly I think they are lying. I don't trust them as far as I can throw em. They've lied to many times to be credible to me now. hey have proven themselves untrustworthy over and over again, so pretty much anything that will come from them is gonna be suspect to me. If they tell you something is good, chances are it's bad, if they tell you something true, it may not be at all. Call me what you will for that, but when they have shown a penchant for deceit many times over, they don't deserve my trust. The fact that the media has taken to calling people who questions this, "birthers" says something also. It tells me they don't have other arguments to back up their claims, so they must resort to insults instead to make us look stupid. They do it all the time. If what they say is true, it'd stand on its' own, there would no need for that. it doesnt matter who we 'trust', it matters who the law establishes as reliable sources when you have the STATES government verifying a document, is a citizen gonna have substantial 'evidence' that they are somehow in volved in a conspiracy to 'lie'? what court case have you EVER heard of where a state government entity is found guilty of such conspiracy and deceit? You just proved my point. There's a reason the courts always tend to side in favor of government, and telling the truth has nothing to do with it. And in the rare case the courts DON'T, it's buried and never heard about again, just ask Jeanniebean for examples of that. Im proving the hypocrisy , not a point the statement that we dont 'know' people havent lied or conspired because thats what people do,,,,then refutes any reason to believe those who are contesting his eligibility they are 'people' who might have agendas too it just amazes me that people are so DETERMINED to try to prove something that is almost impossible to prove , why its so important for them to do so with THIS president,,,,, that the HAWAIIAN state officials would lie ,but disgruntled citizens and lawyers who have some peculiar personal hatred for this president wouldnt,,,,is a ridiculous argument and a ridiculous case When all government has shown me is a propensity to lie and cover up many times, you bet your *** I'm going to question them. And it's not just this president either, it's the system as a whole that we hate. This is just a sign of the problems. Regardless we're not going to go away no matter how much you may want us to, we demand the truth, and aren't gonna settle for anything less. Maybe you wanna drink the kool aid you're being fed but we're damn sick of it. And you still proved my point anyway, the courts by and large are in the backpocket of the government, very rare is it anymore they rule in our better interests. THAT's why you never hear of cases like you spoke of. yep, some want the 'truth',,the one they believe any other truth is a conspiracy to cover up the truth that they are privileged to know,,,,, |
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