Topic: Author beaten to death
boredinaz06's photo
Wed 04/11/12 02:08 PM
Edited by boredinaz06 on Wed 04/11/12 02:08 PM
A writer was savagely beaten to death in her Midtown apartment yesterday, a gruesome attack caught on a harrowing 911 recording — and cops arrested her teenage son, authorities said.

Karyn Kay, 63, made the call at about 9:30 a.m. to get help for her 19-year-old son, Henry Wachtel, who was suffering from a seizure, sources said.

But as she tried to help him, he suddenly turned on her and allegedly beat her to a bloody pulp inside their West 55th Street apartment, the sources said.

“Help! Help! He’s attacking me! Help!” Kay desperately screams on the 911 recordings.


Sources said the teen could be heard on the 911 call loudly grunting as he allegedly pummeled his mother.

One neighbor said other residents told him Wachtel was crying hysterically and saying, “I’m sorry, Mommy!” after the beating.

Another neighbor said the pair had a volatile relationship.

“She said terrible things to him and you would hear things fly. I’d hear her yelling, ‘I hate you’ and ‘Why are you doing this to me?’ ” said that neighbor, Leigh Miller.

“It went on for years, since Henry was a little boy.”

Midtown North cops, who rushed to the scene, found Kay covered in blood lying face-up on her kitchen floor with a fractured skull, broken eye socket and ribs.

Wachtel — who was charged with murder last night — was also covered in blood, the sources said.

He was later taken to Bellevue Hospital for a psych exam.

Kay, who wrote the screenplay for the 1988 movie “Call Me,” starring Steve Buscemi, was a visiting instructor at Pratt Institute in Brooklyn and a teacher at La Guardia HS of Music & Art and Performing Arts in Manhattan, according to Pratt’s Web site.


If he was having a seizure at the time of the beating how can he be charged with murder?


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/son_is_held_in_ma_slay_horror_BedxbMKWt1jdXMWKi1TmBP#ixzz1rlh8hTf9

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/11/12 02:11 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 04/11/12 02:13 PM

A writer was savagely beaten to death in her Midtown apartment yesterday, a gruesome attack caught on a harrowing 911 recording — and cops arrested her teenage son, authorities said.

Karyn Kay, 63, made the call at about 9:30 a.m. to get help for her 19-year-old son, Henry Wachtel, who was suffering from a seizure, sources said.

But as she tried to help him, he suddenly turned on her and allegedly beat her to a bloody pulp inside their West 55th Street apartment, the sources said.

“Help! Help! He’s attacking me! Help!” Kay desperately screams on the 911 recordings.


Sources said the teen could be heard on the 911 call loudly grunting as he allegedly pummeled his mother.

One neighbor said other residents told him Wachtel was crying hysterically and saying, “I’m sorry, Mommy!” after the beating.

Another neighbor said the pair had a volatile relationship.

“She said terrible things to him and you would hear things fly. I’d hear her yelling, ‘I hate you’ and ‘Why are you doing this to me?’ ” said that neighbor, Leigh Miller.

“It went on for years, since Henry was a little boy.”

Midtown North cops, who rushed to the scene, found Kay covered in blood lying face-up on her kitchen floor with a fractured skull, broken eye socket and ribs.

Wachtel — who was charged with murder last night — was also covered in blood, the sources said.

He was later taken to Bellevue Hospital for a psych exam.

Kay, who wrote the screenplay for the 1988 movie “Call Me,” starring Steve Buscemi, was a visiting instructor at Pratt Institute in Brooklyn and a teacher at La Guardia HS of Music & Art and Performing Arts in Manhattan, according to Pratt’s Web site.


If he was having a seizure at the time of the beating how can he be charged with murder?


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/son_is_held_in_ma_slay_horror_BedxbMKWt1jdXMWKi1TmBP#ixzz1rlh8hTf9




thats to be determined , I guess

at what point, if any, did his seizure STOP

and now much the seizure had to do with the attack, I dont know enough about seizures to know how PROACTIVELY violent they are,, I know there are involuntary body movements,,,,but thats about it,,,


the seizure will probably be an adequate enough defense though,,,

boredinaz06's photo
Wed 04/11/12 02:19 PM


I've known to people that suffered from seizures, one just fell to the ground in convulsions and the other would become violent and start swinging and kicking uncontrollably.

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/11/12 02:21 PM



I've known to people that suffered from seizures, one just fell to the ground in convulsions and the other would become violent and start swinging and kicking uncontrollably.




yeah?

thats possibly the scenario then,,,

JERMANICUS's photo
Wed 04/11/12 02:36 PM
Let all the Facts shake out

boredinaz06's photo
Wed 04/11/12 04:03 PM

Let all the Facts shake out


The problem is you won't hear about this again unless you look for it regularly.

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/11/12 04:04 PM
why is that a problem?

Seakolony's photo
Wed 04/11/12 07:51 PM
my son has silent and violent seizures......some responsive and some unresponsive........but he is never cognizant nor remembers what happens during the seizures.......he would have had to have been cognizant of his actions......just as the cop having a seizure that shot her partner during a seizure was found innocent because she didn't knowingly fire her weapon on another person....she was found mentally insane at the time of the shooting and unable to make a decision to harm or not harm.

boredinaz06's photo
Wed 04/11/12 08:22 PM

why is that a problem?


Because big media won't talk about it again! You'll have to constantly check the town/city/local paper where this happened on a daily basis to find out more about it.

msharmony's photo
Wed 04/11/12 10:30 PM


why is that a problem?


Because big media won't talk about it again! You'll have to constantly check the town/city/local paper where this happened on a daily basis to find out more about it.


why would that be somewhere other than the local news?

what makes it of national relevance?