I dont know Osama gone
Healthcar passed
depression avoided

,,seems he has a pretty strong presence,,,

Most on here seem to be in agreement that Obama is a figurehead so what difference will another American make.

There is an agenda and it is not Obama's agenda.

Osama gone-- He fell into this. Left over intelligence from previous administration. Nuff said.

Healthcar passed--Very unpopular and also unconstitutional as will be shown. Had to bribe some lawmakers to get it passed. Did not give time for it to be read as he said any of his bills would be.
No transparencey in his office as he promised.

depression avoided--As much as Tax Cheat, Ben Bernanke, lies about it. The recession is not over in spite of the massive trillion dollar so called "Stimulus" and the huge deficit that it created.
If anything this will add years to it.

Yes, seems he has a pretty strong presence,,,a negative one.

Took the words right out of my mouth.....AND THIS

The "GREAT RECESSION" as it is so cleverly being called is a depresson and we ain't out yet! ... No one wants to own it (call it what it is) because there is absolutely no acceptable excuse for why it happened....

PLEASE, Depression Avoided? By WHO'S math? Add trade into the GDP and suddenly the numbers turn backwards! Likewise the value of the Dollar has not risen. It still is gradually sliding down in value. The sudden "Dip" in fuel prices is an attempt at staving off the killing blow to our economy. But the price of fuel has to fall more or else this cycle will go to its real conclusion. The Dollar will completely fall out. There are a host of other factors that are badly needed as well and one of them is chocking down hard on social spending and open door immigration.

And what health care passed? Mandatory Insurance even Obama admits he does not completely understand!?

And Osama Bin Laden gone? Obama did not do it. And he did not give the order since Bush had given the order to pull the trigger during his administration. We just had to catch him but then again things about this smell of conspiracy. Where is Osama Bim Laden's dead body for real? Working happily in a 7-11 in Tulsa Oklahoma under the name Kenny Yutsafh under witness protection? Don't give Obama credit where Special Forces done the job they set out to do LONG before Obama took office. He gave the order... They had him cold. Why didn't they capture and send his *** to GITMO instead? If ANYONE on this earth deserved a good water-boarding Bin Laden did!

We went down this road before.

You claimed Obama wanting to take out Gaddaffi was exactly the same as Reagan trying to take him out.

It wasn't.


So we just twist the narrative a bit, but the motive is the same.

It still won't work.

Do you really want me to do that?

technically, he 'fell' into most of the things he is attributed to
healthcare wasnt unpopular when Romney did it
there was plenty time to read it, they spent most of the first year on it

there is more transparency, just not complete transparency

I didnt say the recession was avoided, I said we avoided a 'DEPRESSION'

from: http://economics.about.com/cs/businesscycles/a/depressions_2.htm


A good rule of thumb for determining the difference between a recession and a depression is to look at the changes in GNP. A depression is any economic downturn where real GDP declines by more than 10 percent. A recession is an economic downturn that is less severe.
By this yardstick, the last depression in the United States was from May 1937 to June 1938, where real GDP declined by 18.2 percent. If we use this method then the Great Depression of the 1930s can be seen as two separate events: an incredibly severe depression lasting from August 1929 to March 1933 where real GDP declined by almost 33 percent, a period of recovery, then another less severe depression of 1937-38. The United States hasn’t had anything even close to a depression in the post-war period. The worst recession in the last 60 years was from November 1973 to March 1975, where real GDP fell by 4.9 percent. Countries such as Finland and Indonesia have suffered depressions in recent memory using this definition.


a chart of GDP growth since 2008 is here

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth

easy to see, nowhere near a 10percent decline in GDP with the exception of the 8.9 decline we saw right before OBAMA took office,,,

And again you are not looking at the market trends and seeing how they compare to the 1920's and 1930's. They are strikingly similar. Also again if you factor in trade with the GDP as well as hidden factors like people who fell off of unemployment and other trends OBAMA AVOIDED NOTHING. And more transparency in Health Care? on what planet? Have you even seen how thick the bill itself is? Have you read it all? No one has!

whose definition?

Bureau of Economic Analysis,,,,

Im sure there are some 'alternative' sources who have 'alternative' definitions though,,,,

He fell into most of them and wants to take credit for all of them?
What a liar! Joe Biden must be giving him lessons on plagerism and hypocrisy since he wrote the book on it.

There is no transparency. Unless one can call taking the 5th transparent. Ask Eric Holder, huh?

I'm sorry, we avoided the "Great Depression" again? or did he say the greatest depression since the "Great Depression"? So much Spin makes my head spin..I can't remember...

GDP is not the only measure used to determine a depression Harmony.....Also note how some economists define a depression...

Considered, by some economists, a rare and extreme form of recession, a depression is characterized by its length, by abnormally large increases in unemployment, falls in the availability of credit— often due to some kind of banking or financial crisis, shrinking output—as buyers dry up and suppliers cut back on production, and investment, large number of bankruptcies—including sovereign debt defaults, significantly reduced amounts of trade and commerce—especially international, as well as highly volatile relative currency value fluctuations—most often due to devaluations. Price deflation, financial crises and bank failures are also common elements of a depression that are not normally a part of a recession.


There is no agreed definition of the term depression, though some have been proposed. In the United States the National Bureau of Economic Research determines contractions and expansions in the business cycle, but does not declare depressions.[1] Generally, periods labeled depressions are marked by a substantial and sustained shortfall of the ability to purchase goods relative to the amount that could be produced using current resources and technology (potential output).[2] Another proposed definition of depression includes two general rules: (1) a decline in real GDP exceeding 10%, or (2) a recession lasting 2 or more years.

I doubt he said the great depression again, though he may have said ANOTHER Great depression (with great as an adjective, like Farrakhan uses it,, though it sweeps past the heads of most)

I dont think he should singularly take credit OR blame for any of it, which is what I usually argue.

ALthough I point out the 'credit' to point out the hypocrisy of those so quick to give him the 'blame',,,,

as to transparency, one of the first things he did was set out an open government directive,,but since he is not a 'dictator' , he then has to let others put the details and plans together,,,,



read about it here http://techpresident.com/blog-entry/open-government-directive-has-dropped-heres-whats-it-and-why-its-big-deal

lol, the action is the same
the support changed,,,

If there is any doubt about who Farrycan is, his name was Eugene. He turned Muslim and changed his name.

Is that why Barry Changed his name also???? To honor his Muslimness?

there are broad adjectives here and no real 'measure'

how is 'recession' being defined here?

did I imply I didnt know who Farrakhan is?

If there is any doubt about who Farrycan is, his name was Eugene. He turned Muslim and changed his name.

Is that why Barry Changed his name also???? To honor his Muslimness?



did I imply I didnt know who Farrakhan is?

Just letting the rest of the world in on the Extremist Muslim's slave name.