Yep I like this answer the best..

Loving is pretty easy, if you let it be, It's pretty much just not being selfish all the time and thinking of others.

I have heard those scriptures used alot I_man to justify anything. Even the Scibes went & studied the word of God after they heard the Words spoken from the living Word. Their motivation may not have been the best, but at least they studied the word :-)

Wow!

I write...



Elsewhere you talk about the importance of mutual respect.

Yet all you do is to say I'm sinning and misguided... and ignore virtually every question I write. (Questions which are not condescending--but focused on really asking and really thinking about a critical question that should be at the centre of any Christian's thinking.

Can you please point out one single thing I stated that is against any of your beliefs? I may have asked questions you don't want to consider. But is there even one thing I stated that is against your beliefs?

And if you truly wish to follow Christ - then why is your primary answer that they should get married--an answer even the Pharisees would have given--when my question is about loving as Christ loved?

And if as you say in your profile that "I am open to talk about my faith, mutual respect is appreciated." Then please actually answer some of the questions I've asked instead of making accusations.

I've asked about a dozen questions. You've given a partial answer to one. This doesn't sound like someone who's open and who is willing to be mutually respectful.

lol, this is about opinions and you have asked alot of questions. I do reallise you may not be the one "loving physically" out of marraige but that is my answer to your question. Yeah, I probably will get back to you on this but not right this moment. I just think it is very important to remember that who knows who reads these posts and therefore an impressionable young person looking for truth as written in God's Word, the bible, will appreciate truth.

Alrighty then, the reason I have not answered so many is that I have been on my mobile and I only have limited text I can write. First off, debating is great as long as it always comes back to the bible, which I believe is the final authority. I am concerned, as I put in the above post what your motivation is in advocating drinking, drugging and sex outside of marraige. Jesus was our example while on earth, he drank, but never in excess.He did not fornicate and I doubt he did drugs lol. We are called to be a holy people as God is holy. Anyhow, my primary opinion that they should be married I expressed earlier.....we are an example. Actually I felt you were condescending because you referred to my post as what Pharisees and Saducees would say. Uh uh, not even! I have a lot more respect for anyone than to refer to them as being or responding as the hypocritical P's and S's. I will get back to this at some other time.

As some have said on here, its all in black and white in the Bible. The rules of love, respect and how to live ones life is very clear. Its man that wants to change it to make him feel right.

I dont believe Jesus gave any example of romantic relationships as his relationship was with mankind and God and not romantic at all


The Bible, on the other hand, gives instructions on Marriage, and not on 'romantic' relationships either. I think ROMANCE is a man made concept, an ideal, that has replaced commitment and love.


I believe the bible commands us not to be consumed in lust for each other, to have and keep one partner if we are lustfully inclined, and it gives in many places instructions on how the husband and wife and children are suppposed to interact between each other.

Like wolves, which is biblically symbolic for false teachers & teaching, some pervert the truth. The most tragic thing is they teach error and lead the weak astray. A heinous crime!

If you were to love as Jesus loved it would be wonderful. You'd lay your life down for your partner if need be, you would be compassionate and understanding and supportive. Your partner would have you as their best friend whom they could ask anything of and be guided by wisdom from the Bible.

Eph 5.22~32 explains marraige. Whereas Song of Songs portrays romantic love. God doesn't leave us clueless at all. But it's up to each person to learn to love romantically & in a way that pleases & glorifies God.A spouse given by God is a gift to cherish.

I'd still love to hear more answers to the questions I've asked in this thread (both in the original question and my follow up questions).

I still haven't really gotten a direct answer to the above question.

(Maybe using a forum like this isn't the best place to discuss important issues. I've noticed that some respondents are quite happy to react negatively to a particular aspect of something I might write, yet are unwilling to actually engage in the discussion by answering the questions I've asked. It feels a little like having someone verbally attack me - but then when I respond by saying "OK, lets discuss this" they run away.)

I also note that no-one has really taken seriously my description of someone who loves likes Christ loved. I'd love to hear someone run with my description of a modern-day person who's very very similar to Jesus - and to really look at how they might love. (Not to go back to the bible and try to dig out pre-digested quotes or concepts - but to really look for the underlying quality of love that Jesus demonstrated - and to consider how that might be maximised today in a romantic or an intimate way.)

It seems that we're too rooted in biblical injunctions to actually step back and consider what Christ might look like if he were around today. (And if He was happy to break as many taboos as He was when he first came.)

I see it as scripture can answer your question.

To love is to live your life in love.. study life the scriptures has plenty to say and if you love as the scriptures say then life is love.


Mark 10:45
45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
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John 15:11-15

11 "These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full. 12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends. 14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
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I agree giving your life is love as Yahshua did for us.

But where does family come in?

Matt 22:37-40

37 Yahshua said to him, "'You shall love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart , with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
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Love Yahweh.. if you do that everything else just falls in line.

1 John 2:3

Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments .
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1 John 3:24

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
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1 John 5:2-5
2 By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh, when we love Elohim and keep His commandments . 3 For this is the love of Yahweh, that we keep His commandments . And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of Yahweh overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith. 5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Yahshua is the Son of Yahweh?
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2 John 5-6
And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another. 6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments . This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
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Love is immatating your father your brother.. Those who you look up to. We are clearly told that love is towards everyone and i do not think anyone does not know what and why adultry is so bad in the bible.. you are breaking up the family and you are being decietfull to the one Yahweh gave you.. a big slap in the face.

interesting scripture about how you accomplish this..

For whatever is born of Yahweh overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith

Just like it says in the scriptures of life.. Many are called but few are chosen. one thing is for sure if you do not love the way Yahweh says you don't have to worry about being the chosen

i honestly think Jesus would only marry someone who put God first as he did. From that foundation, everything else would flow

the two of them living for God, instead of themself,,,so it would be closer to a partnership to glorify God, instead of a romance to charm and lust after each other,,,

I think the issue of 'being fruitful' would play more of a part in their sexual relations than mere self gratification,,,

That's pretty much the way I see it too.