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Topic: Why Syria Could Spell World Catastrophe
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Wed 08/01/12 03:36 PM
With more than 60 per cent of the world’s proven oil and gas reserves located in the Middle East, this region is the ultimate key to continuing US global power. It was for this reason that the former US secretary of state James Baker candidly revealed in an interview on America’s PBS Frontline programme in mid-October 2001 that Washington would always be ready and willing, as a matter of national security, to go to war in order to protect its ally Saudi Arabia and the other oil-rich Arab allies. The despotic, dictatorial nature of these regimes is a virtue, not a vice, for guaranteed American oil supply and the continued dominance of the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

This is why today Washington remains silent on the crackdown by the House of Saud against pro-democracy protests in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. It is also the reason why Washington is allied with the Sunni dictatorships of Saudi Arabia and Qatar in the covert campaign for regime change against perceived recalcitrant governments in Syria and Iran, as it did in Libya with the overthrow and murder of Muammar Gaddafi.

http://bit.ly/M4AzZm

Optomistic69's photo
Wed 08/01/12 03:43 PM
Taking Down Seven Countries in Five Years


At around the same time that Baker gave his interview outlining the unconditional support by Washington for the oil sheikhdoms, the Pentagon had then concocted a plan for redrawing the political map of the Middle East region and beyond, as the former NATO commander Wesley Clark was to later disclose. Over the ensuing years from late 2001, the Pentagon had designated regime change for seven countries: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Sudan and Somalia.

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Thu 08/02/12 04:37 AM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 08/02/12 04:38 AM
Your link is useless. It doesn't work.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 08/02/12 04:43 AM

Your link is useless. It doesn't work.
and Clinton signed the Law on Regime-Change in Iraq!laugh

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Thu 08/02/12 05:18 AM


Your link is useless. It doesn't work.
and Clinton signed the Law on Regime-Change in Iraq!laugh


It's a funny old place Mingle2. History isn't real, so you can write your own and blogs become original sources.

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Thu 08/02/12 05:54 AM
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Your link is useless. It doesn't work.
and Clinton signed the Law on Regime-Change in Iraq!laugh


It's a funny old place Mingle2. History isn't real, so you can write your own and blogs become original sources.


How do you know if it's a blog if as you say the link doesn't work?

The Link works fine for me.drinker

The Bilderbergs do not have control of the Internet yetbigsmile


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Thu 08/02/12 06:07 AM
Syria's opposition appeals for Russian support

Sergei Lavrov welcomed having direct discussions with Syria's opposition
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A delegation of Syrian opposition figures is visiting Moscow to discuss international efforts to find a political solution to the violence.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is holding talks with Abdulbaset Sayda, head of the Syrian National Council.

Mr Lavrov's deputy said Russia wanted to move the opposition "towards realistic and constructive positions".

Later, international envoy Kofi Annan will brief the UN Security Council on how he plans to revive his peace plan.

Mr Annan held talks with officials in Baghdad and Tehran on Tuesday, and reiterated his view that Iran - Syria's closest ally - had a role to play in resolving the conflict, despite US objections.

The former UN secretary general also said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad had proposed altering his peace initiative so the most violent areas would be pacified first.

"He made a suggestion of building an approach from the ground up in some of the districts where we have extreme violence to try and contain the violence in these districts and, step by step, build up and end the violence across the country," Mr Annan told reporters in Tehran.

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We try to move the Syrian opposition figures toward realistic and constructive positions that can help end the bloodshed”

Mikhail Bogdanov
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister
His plan currently calls for an immediate nationwide ceasefire.

'Revolution'
Ahead of his meeting with Mr Lavrov on Wednesday, Mr Sayda said he would try to persuade Russia to end its support for President Assad's government.

"The events in Syria are not disagreements between the opposition and the government but a revolution," he told a joint news conference. "It is similar to what happened in Russia when it finished with the previous regime and set upon the path of democratic development."

Mr Lavrov said he welcomed the opportunity to have direct discussions with opposition figures "at this crucial time for Syria", before stressing that he wanted to once again clarify Russia's position.

"Sometimes your organisation has questions about what we are doing and we want to clear up these questions so there are no doubts."

Russia wanted to understand if there was a "prospect" of the deeply divided opposition factions uniting and creating a platform for dialogue with the government, he added.

Earlier, Mr Lavrov's deputy, Mikhail Bogdanov, said he would "try to move the Syrian opposition figures towards realistic and constructive positions that can help end the bloodshed".

The opposition has insisted that President Assad must step down as part of any agreement on a transition, something Russia has rejected.

Russian warships
The talks come as a deadline approaches for the UN Security Council to decide whether to renew the mandate of the UN Supervision Mission in Syria (UNSMIS), whose 298 unarmed military observers and 112 civilian staff are monitoring the implementation of Mr Annan's plan, under which a ceasefire was supposed to begin in mid-April.

The observers suspended their work on 16 June because it was too dangerous.

Mr Annan admitted on Saturday that his peace plan had not succeeded, adding: "Maybe there is no guarantee that we will succeed."

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Analysis


Jonathan Marcus
BBC defence and diplomatic correspondent
By any standards the Russian naval deployment to the Mediterranean is significant - two destroyers, five landing ships with marines and supplies on board, backed up by a salvage tug and a tanker.

Moscow is sending out a clear signal to the embattled Syrian regime that it is putting a force into the Mediterranean that could be used to extricate Russian personnel and equipment from their naval base at the Syrian port of Tartus.

In other words, Russia is willing to countenance the demise of the Assad regime if no peace plan can be agreed.

Equally Moscow is signalling to the US and the West that it intends to defend its interests in the region, and that Russia remains a player in the Middle East whose views must be considered.

On Tuesday, Russia circulated a draft resolution to UN Security Council diplomats that would extend the observer mission beyond the end of its mandate on 20 July.

The resolution contains no threat of sanctions against Syria and reportedly suggests that UNSMIS should focus on trying to achieve a political solution.

Correspondents say the draft is unlikely to satisfy the US and Western European countries, who have called for a resolution under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter, which would allow the Security Council to authorise sanctions and military intervention.

In a separate development, Russia said on Tuesday that it had dispatched a flotilla of 11 warships, led by the anti-submarine warfare destroyer Smetlivy, to the eastern Mediterranean Sea. Some of the vessels would dock at the Russian naval base outside the Syrian port of Tartus, it added.

It will be the largest display of Russian military power in the region since the uprising against President Assad began in March 2011.

But a spokesman for the US National Security Council said it had "no reason to believe this move is anything out of the ordinary".

The announcement came a day after Russia said it was ending new shipments of weapons to the Syrian military until the violence had decreased. It had previously rejected calls to end shipments.

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Thu 08/02/12 06:18 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Thu 08/02/12 06:19 AM
Everything you read or hear is controlled by the nefarious controllers
except for me. I slipped through. But watch and see. Probably this
post will be removed by the all powerful elite who run everything in
the Universe.

You know they already killed Kenny! YOU BASTARDS!

laugh


Optomistic69's photo
Thu 08/02/12 06:33 AM
offtopic Thread killing is illegalofftopic

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Thu 08/02/12 11:54 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 08/02/12 11:58 PM
Your link is useless. It doesn't work.


It's a funny old place Mingle2. History isn't real, so you can write your own and blogs become original sources.


How do you know if it's a blog if as you say the link doesn't work?

The Link works fine for me.drinker



I didn't know it was a blog, but thanks for the confirmation. I assumed you were quoting from it and it read like a blog. Furthermore, the link doesn't work for me. It takes me to Google search and comes up with this thread.


Optomistic69's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:07 AM

Your link is useless. It doesn't work.


It's a funny old place Mingle2. History isn't real, so you can write your own and blogs become original sources.


How do you know if it's a blog if as you say the link doesn't work?

The Link works fine for me.drinker



I didn't know it was a blog, but thanks for the confirmation. I assumed you were quoting from it and it read like a blog. Furthermore, the link doesn't work for me. It takes me to Google search and comes up with this thread.




The link is stil working for me.

Google..... help with links and see where you go from there.

There is always someone who has knowledge of these things.

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:12 AM
more Soothsaying!noway

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:15 AM
Why does Tweedledum and Tweedledee come to mind?

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:24 AM

Why does Tweedledum and Tweedledee come to mind?


There is no need for that.

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:28 AM


Why does Tweedledum and Tweedledee come to mind?


There is no need for that.


You got a point there but this is a dating site political forum not The Oxford or Cambridge debating society.

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Fri 08/03/12 12:55 AM



Why does Tweedledum and Tweedledee come to mind?


There is no need for that.


You got a point there but this is a dating site political forum not The Oxford or Cambridge debating society.
so how come all those Political threads started by seemingly by always the same People!
Or are they Blogs?

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 08/03/12 12:56 AM




Why does Tweedledum and Tweedledee come to mind?


There is no need for that.


You got a point there but this is a dating site political forum not The Oxford or Cambridge debating society.
so how come all those Political threads started by seemingly by always the same People!
Or are they Blogs?


I thought you were going outbigsmile

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 08/03/12 03:40 AM

With more than 60 per cent of the world’s proven oil and gas reserves located in the Middle East, this region is the ultimate key to continuing US global power. It was for this reason that the former US secretary of state James Baker candidly revealed in an interview on America’s PBS Frontline programme in mid-October 2001 that Washington would always be ready and willing, as a matter of national security, to go to war in order to protect its ally Saudi Arabia and the other oil-rich Arab allies. The despotic, dictatorial nature of these regimes is a virtue, not a vice, for guaranteed American oil supply and the continued dominance of the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

This is why today Washington remains silent on the crackdown by the House of Saud against pro-democracy protests in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. It is also the reason why Washington is allied with the Sunni dictatorships of Saudi Arabia and Qatar in the covert campaign for regime change against perceived recalcitrant governments in Syria and Iran, as it did in Libya with the overthrow and murder of Muammar Gaddafi.

http://bit.ly/M4AzZm
why are Russia and China playing Games in Syria?
If they get Control of the Syrian Resources,and the Harbors,Oil would get quite expensive in Europe,beside they would be a Thorn in the Side of every Western Nation!
So tell me again that Russia and China are disinterested Bystanders only having the Welfare of the Syrian People at Heart!

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 08/03/12 03:42 AM

Taking Down Seven Countries in Five Years


At around the same time that Baker gave his interview outlining the unconditional support by Washington for the oil sheikhdoms, the Pentagon had then concocted a plan for redrawing the political map of the Middle East region and beyond, as the former NATO commander Wesley Clark was to later disclose. Over the ensuing years from late 2001, the Pentagon had designated regime change for seven countries: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Sudan and Somalia.
What Regime in What Somalia!
What Regime-Change in Sudan?
What Regimechanges in Iran and Lebanon?laugh

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 08/03/12 06:59 AM
Lots of Syrians will die for the fat cats to become fatter.

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