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Topic: Terrorism and justice
elwoodsully's photo
Sat 04/20/13 06:09 AM
Now that the second nut-job bombing suspect has been captured, it is my personal belief that he should be tried down here in Texas for his crimes. Like Ron White is known for saying, "We have the death penalty down here, and we USE IT!".

How and why, you may ask, can I think they can be tried down here for a crime committed in Boston? That old catch-phrase that many agencies worldwide use to arrest someone when they have little else to use. Disturbing the peace. Wrap that up with murder, and bring him down here.

If you can prove to me that we were not/ are not disturbed by the news of the last week, then I will change my mind.

I can see this idiot down in Huntsville for the next few years, perfecting his use of the phrase "Please, not again" to his fellow inmates.

Is it Christian-like of me to think and say these things? Well, no. Is it wrong? Well, no.

My Bible states an eye for an eye. They killed three people, injured around 200 people, and disrupted the lives of countless others.

That's my two cents.


lilott's photo
Sat 04/20/13 06:36 AM
I think he should be tried in a military tribunal cause if convicted he will be put to death.

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/20/13 08:38 AM
everyone has a right to their opinion,, that being said

I t hink the young mind is still capable of change and growth and I would not want to kill this young man if there is any chance he was just immulating his big brother


I know people have come to believe in the death penalty for children, and to think of children strictly by biological age

but many people beyond our 'legal' age of 21 are still not emotionally developed or intellectually developed, and certainly many of those recently out of high school arent either

IM not sure the mastermind behind the plan, probably the brother who went out in a blaze of glory and had the internet content was the one who was most committed to this plan and the ideas

Im not sure how involved the younger brother was beyond doing what he was told by the older brother,,,,,I just dont believe it will do anything killing this young man that locking him away wouldnt likewise do,,,,except, hed still be aliv and able to think about/learn from the things he did and grow up,,,,,,


or, give him the choice,,,,,,imprisonment or death, I imagine such a young man may have a very hard time with hardened and lifelong criminals too,,,

no photo
Sat 04/20/13 06:50 PM
at 19 he will be tried as an adult and should be

the impact of what he did, the heinousness of it, it more pressing than his personal comfort

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/20/13 08:45 PM
what are the facts of what he did, other than placing down one bag with a bomb? how dangerous is he without his brothers influence or (possibly) threat?

I think its emotional and people want revenge and that understandable , I just would like to know the facts of what THIS young mand did specifically,,,other than follow around his big brother,,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 04/20/13 08:55 PM

what are the facts of what he did, other than placing down one bag with a bomb? how dangerous is he without his brothers influence or (possibly) threat?

I think its emotional and people want revenge and that understandable , I just would like to know the facts of what THIS young mand did specifically,,,other than follow around his big brother,,,,


Are you serious?

The surviving brother didn't just follow his older brother around.
The surviving brother, who is an adult, deliberately bombed a place that had innocent people occupying it, one of those people being an 8-year-old boy.

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/20/13 09:04 PM


what are the facts of what he did, other than placing down one bag with a bomb? how dangerous is he without his brothers influence or (possibly) threat?

I think its emotional and people want revenge and that understandable , I just would like to know the facts of what THIS young mand did specifically,,,other than follow around his big brother,,,,


Are you serious?

The surviving brother didn't just follow his older brother around.
The surviving brother, who is an adult, deliberately bombed a place that had innocent people occupying it, one of those people being an 8-year-old boy.


I am serious. I dont know that he didnt follow his brother around and do as his brother told him. I do not know of ANY trouble the younger brother was in until the past year after his father left him with his older brother.

there is duress, there is pressure, there is desperation, especially in young people,, that makes me believe that its quite possible that he is harmless WITHOUT THE PRESSURE OR INFLUENCE OF HIS OLDER BROTHER

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 04/20/13 09:30 PM
I am serious. I dont know that he didnt follow his brother around and do as his brother told him.


You don't know that he did.
The man still made the choice to carry a bomb into a crowd of people and to place the bomb next to an 8-year-old boy.

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/20/13 09:36 PM

I am serious. I dont know that he didnt follow his brother around and do as his brother told him.


You don't know that he did.
The man still made the choice to carry a bomb into a crowd of people and to place the bomb next to an 8-year-old boy.



we can agree to disagree, 19 doesnt magically make someone a man,, although I realize in some cases the law says they are (in other cases its 21)


I understand younger siblings, high school and freshmen in college can be very immature and still developing , his troubles dont seem to be long lived and 'cold blooded' and seem a rather recent development that coincides with his involvement with his older sibling,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 04/20/13 09:40 PM


I am serious. I dont know that he didnt follow his brother around and do as his brother told him.


You don't know that he did.
The man still made the choice to carry a bomb into a crowd of people and to place the bomb next to an 8-year-old boy.



we can agree to disagree, 19 doesnt magically make someone a man,, although I realize in some cases the law says they are (in other cases its 21)


I understand younger siblings, high school and freshmen in college can be very immature and still developing , his troubles dont seem to be long lived and 'cold blooded' and seem a rather recent development that coincides with his involvement with his older sibling,,,


msharmony, it looks to me like you are simply trying to diminish the guilt of the younger brother, but why?

Are you opposed to the death penalty being given to a person who commits murder?

no photo
Sat 04/20/13 09:41 PM

what are the facts of what he did, other than placing down one bag with a bomb? how dangerous is he without his brothers influence or (possibly) threat?

I think its emotional and people want revenge and that understandable , I just would like to know the facts of what THIS young mand did specifically,,,other than follow around his big brother,,,,


who cares....(bottom line - it doesn't natter)

why do you wish to coddle a felon who murders

there is no excuse for what he did or for coddling him

at 19 he is RESPONSIBLE for his CHOICE to follow


as you and I are responsible for the moral choices we make

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/20/13 09:47 PM



I am serious. I dont know that he didnt follow his brother around and do as his brother told him.


You don't know that he did.
The man still made the choice to carry a bomb into a crowd of people and to place the bomb next to an 8-year-old boy.



we can agree to disagree, 19 doesnt magically make someone a man,, although I realize in some cases the law says they are (in other cases its 21)


I understand younger siblings, high school and freshmen in college can be very immature and still developing , his troubles dont seem to be long lived and 'cold blooded' and seem a rather recent development that coincides with his involvement with his older sibling,,,


msharmony, it looks to me like you are simply trying to diminish the guilt of the younger brother, but why?

Are you opposed to the death penalty being given to a person who commits murder?



it isnt always black and white 'guilt'

there is such a thing as duress, so that if someone holds a gun to your head and forces you to commit a crime, your 'guilt' is not the same as if you just go out and do the crime of your own volition

I dont know that this young man wasnt brainwashed, intimidated, deceived, or whatever,,, his history doesnt warrant ending his life at such a young age,, IN MY OPINION

if there is an unforgivable crime, and if bombing is it,, than he will be unforgiven and his life ended with no chance of repentance or change

thats just not where my heart is in this matter though, I see potentially what was a terrible, terrible, unchangable mistake that caused terrible chaos and misery for others,,,,,,but not a mistake that therefore should automatically diminish a young persons life to nothing,,,,,,,

if there is a chance that he was under 'duress' (emotionally) I think his life should not be ended,,,thats just my opinion

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/20/13 09:49 PM


what are the facts of what he did, other than placing down one bag with a bomb? how dangerous is he without his brothers influence or (possibly) threat?

I think its emotional and people want revenge and that understandable , I just would like to know the facts of what THIS young mand did specifically,,,other than follow around his big brother,,,,


who cares....(bottom line - it doesn't natter)

why do you wish to coddle a felon who murders

there is no excuse for what he did or for coddling him

at 19 he is RESPONSIBLE for his CHOICE to follow


as you and I are responsible for the moral choices we make



sometimes 19 year olds are responsible, sometimes there are mitigating circumstances that minimize their legal responsibility

with the mood in the country, Im pretty sure the latter situation wont be agreed with by anyone,, and he will be killed

but I think its a shame if this is the first and only such thing he had ever done in his short life,,,and if it was done under an extreme pressure or duress,,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 04/20/13 09:50 PM




I am serious. I dont know that he didnt follow his brother around and do as his brother told him.


You don't know that he did.
The man still made the choice to carry a bomb into a crowd of people and to place the bomb next to an 8-year-old boy.



we can agree to disagree, 19 doesnt magically make someone a man,, although I realize in some cases the law says they are (in other cases its 21)


I understand younger siblings, high school and freshmen in college can be very immature and still developing , his troubles dont seem to be long lived and 'cold blooded' and seem a rather recent development that coincides with his involvement with his older sibling,,,


msharmony, it looks to me like you are simply trying to diminish the guilt of the younger brother, but why?

Are you opposed to the death penalty being given to a person who commits murder?



it isnt always black and white 'guilt'

there is such a thing as duress, so that if someone holds a gun to your head and forces you to commit a crime, your 'guilt' is not the same as if you just go out and do the crime of your own volition

I dont know that this young man wasnt brainwashed, intimidated, deceived, or whatever,,, his history doesnt warrant ending his life at such a young age,, IN MY OPINION

if there is an unforgivable crime, and if bombing is it,, than he will be unforgiven and his life ended with no chance of repentance or change

thats just not where my heart is in this matter though, I see potentially what was a terrible, terrible, unchangable mistake that caused terrible chaos and misery for others,,,,,,but not a mistake that therefore should automatically diminish a young persons life to nothing,,,,,,,

if there is a chance that he was under 'duress' (emotionally) I think his life should not be ended,,,thats just my opinion


msharmony, are you opposed to the death penalty being given to an adult who commits murder?

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/20/13 09:54 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 04/20/13 09:55 PM





I am serious. I dont know that he didnt follow his brother around and do as his brother told him.


You don't know that he did.
The man still made the choice to carry a bomb into a crowd of people and to place the bomb next to an 8-year-old boy.



we can agree to disagree, 19 doesnt magically make someone a man,, although I realize in some cases the law says they are (in other cases its 21)


I understand younger siblings, high school and freshmen in college can be very immature and still developing , his troubles dont seem to be long lived and 'cold blooded' and seem a rather recent development that coincides with his involvement with his older sibling,,,


msharmony, it looks to me like you are simply trying to diminish the guilt of the younger brother, but why?

Are you opposed to the death penalty being given to a person who commits murder?



it isnt always black and white 'guilt'

there is such a thing as duress, so that if someone holds a gun to your head and forces you to commit a crime, your 'guilt' is not the same as if you just go out and do the crime of your own volition

I dont know that this young man wasnt brainwashed, intimidated, deceived, or whatever,,, his history doesnt warrant ending his life at such a young age,, IN MY OPINION

if there is an unforgivable crime, and if bombing is it,, than he will be unforgiven and his life ended with no chance of repentance or change

thats just not where my heart is in this matter though, I see potentially what was a terrible, terrible, unchangable mistake that caused terrible chaos and misery for others,,,,,,but not a mistake that therefore should automatically diminish a young persons life to nothing,,,,,,,

if there is a chance that he was under 'duress' (emotionally) I think his life should not be ended,,,thats just my opinion


msharmony, are you opposed to the death penalty being given to an adult who commits murder?


I am opposed to the death penalty in general, yes

but thats not my reasoning, my pov in this case is whether it can be simply summed up as murder or whether there may be mitigating circumstances consider his brothers mentality, his age, his brothers hold over him, and his dependence upon his brother and the lack of anything cruel or conniving or cold blooded in his past, and the absence of any crime being committed once he was away from his brother,,,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 04/20/13 09:58 PM
I am opposed to the death penalty in general, yes


According to the 21st chapter of the Old Testament book of Exodus, God instructed Moses to give the death penalty to murderers. If you believe what the book of Exodus says, then you have to admit that God has no objection to the death penalty being given to murderers.

If God has no objection, when why should you have an objection?

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/20/13 10:14 PM

I am opposed to the death penalty in general, yes


According to the 21st chapter of the Old Testament book of Exodus, God instructed Moses to give the death penalty to murderers. If you believe what the book of Exodus says, then you have to admit that God has no objection to the death penalty being given to murderers.

If God has no objection, when why should you have an objection?



because many things in old testament were condemnable by death, and I feel that the blood of jesus lifted that judgment

especially since JESUS himself didnt follow that law,,,,

John 8:3-11 (Words of Jesus in red)
3The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery; and making her stand before all of them, 4they said to him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of committing adultery. 5Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They said this to test him, so that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." 8And once again he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9When they heard it, they went away, one by one, beginning with the elders; and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10Jesus straightened up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11She said, "No one, sir." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way, and from now on do not sin again."



like Jesus seemed to, I believe the higher ground is to look at the sinner as able to repent and sin no more,,,,,,

smart2009's photo
Sun 04/21/13 09:29 AM

everyone has a right to their opinion,, that being said

I t hink the young mind is still capable of change and growth and I would not want to kill this young man if there is any chance he was just immulating his big brother


I know people have come to believe in the death penalty for children, and to think of children strictly by biological age

but many people beyond our 'legal' age of 21 are still not emotionally developed or intellectually developed, and certainly many of those recently out of high school arent either

IM not sure the mastermind behind the plan, probably the brother who went out in a blaze of glory and had the internet content was the one who was most committed to this plan and the ideas

Im not sure how involved the younger brother was beyond doing what he was told by the older brother,,,,,I just dont believe it will do anything killing this young man that locking him away wouldnt likewise do,,,,except, hed still be aliv and able to think about/learn from the things he did and grow up,,,,,,


or, give him the choice,,,,,,imprisonment or death, I imagine such a young man may have a very hard time with hardened and lifelong criminals too,,,

Which bombing suspect led the other?
http://news.yahoo.com/bombing-suspects-may-led-whom-001538013--spt.html
Tamerlan Tsarnaev ranted at a neighbor about Islam and the United States. His younger brother, Dzhokhar, relished debating people on religion, "then crushing their beliefs with facts."

The older brother sought individual glory in the boxing ring, while the younger excelled as part of a team. Tamerlan "swaggered" through the family home like a "man-of-the-house type," one visitor recalls, while Dzhokhar seemed "very respectful and very obedient" to his mother.

The brothers, now forever linked in the Boston Marathon bombing tragedy, in some ways seemed as different as siblings could be. But whatever drove them to allegedly set off two pressure-cooker bombs, their uncle is certain Dzhokhar was not the one pulling the strings.

"He's not been understanding anything. He's a 19-year-old boy," Ruslan Tsarni said of his brother's youngest child, who is clinging to life in a Boston hospital after a gunbattle with police. "He's been absolutely wasted by his older brother. I mean, he used him. He used him for whatever he's done. For what we see they've done. OK?"

Criminologist James Alan Fox says the uncle's intuition is justified. In cases like this, he says, it is highly unusual for the younger participant — in this case, a sibling — to be the leader.

"I would be surprised," says Fox, a professor of Criminology, Law and Public Policy at Boston's Northeastern University. "Very surprised."

Whatever their fraternal pecking order, when the bullets began flying in Watertown on Thursday night and 26-year-old Tamerlan went down, his younger brother ran him over — dragging him for about 30 feet — before ditching the car and fleeing on foot. After a 24-hour manhunt that shut down most of the Boston metropolitan area, police cornered the gravely wounded Dzhokhar hiding in a boat in a backyard, only blocks from where his brother bled out.

Officials said Dzhokhar was in serious condition Saturday, unable to communicate. So, at least for now, investigators and the public are left with only enigma.

The ethnic Chechen family came to this country in 2002, after fleeing troubles in Kyrgyzstan and then Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim republic in Russia's North Caucasus. They settled in a working-class part of Cambridge, where the father, Anzor Tsarnaev, opened an auto shop.

He returned to Dagestan about a year ago.

Luis Vasquez went to high school with Tamerlan and later helped coach Dzhokhar's soccer team at Cambridge Rindge and Latin. With the father gone, Vasquez said, the older brother assumed a kind of paternal role, at least where the girls in the family were concerned.

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Sun 04/21/13 01:17 PM


I am opposed to the death penalty in general, yes


According to the 21st chapter of the Old Testament book of Exodus, God instructed Moses to give the death penalty to murderers. If you believe what the book of Exodus says, then you have to admit that God has no objection to the death penalty being given to murderers.

If God has no objection, when why should you have an objection?



because many things in old testament were condemnable by death, and I feel that the blood of jesus lifted that judgment


It is true that you feel that way, but feelings can be misleading. I see nothing in the New Testament that supports how you feel about this issue. What happened to the woman caught in adultery doesn't imply that it is wrong for the state to execute people who are guilty of deliberate murder. In short, there is no biblical case against capital punishment for people who deliberately murder others.

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/21/13 01:21 PM



I am opposed to the death penalty in general, yes


According to the 21st chapter of the Old Testament book of Exodus, God instructed Moses to give the death penalty to murderers. If you believe what the book of Exodus says, then you have to admit that God has no objection to the death penalty being given to murderers.

If God has no objection, when why should you have an objection?



because many things in old testament were condemnable by death, and I feel that the blood of jesus lifted that judgment


It is true that you feel that way, but feelings can be misleading. I see nothing in the New Testament that supports how you feel about this issue. What happened to the woman caught in adultery doesn't imply that it is wrong for the state to execute people who are guilty of deliberate murder. In short, there is no biblical case against capital punishment for people who deliberately murder others.



what I cited implies that there is likewise nothing wrong with NOT SUPPORTING OR ENCOURAGING Death for adultery,,,which can be also transferred to other 'sins' that in old testament were punishable by death amongst ISRAELITES


Jesus came to FULFILL,,,,1.Bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize

he completed the death penalty with his sacrifice on the cross,,,,

now men , by his own word, are to love each other as they love themself,,,,

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