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Sun 09/08/13 05:44 PM
CIA finally admits it masterminded Iran�s 1953 coup


On the 60th anniversary of the 1953 military coup in Iran that overthrew the government of radical nationalist Mohammad Mossadegh, the US has declassified documents detailing how the CIA�s secret operation brought the country�s Shah back to power.

�American and British involvement in Mossadegh�s ouster has long been public knowledge, but today�s posting includes what is believed to be the CIA�s first formal acknowledgement that the agency helped to plan and execute the coup,� the US National Security Archive said.

Monday�s publication under the US Freedom of Information Act came as something of a surprise, since most of the materials and records of the 1953 coup were believed to have been destroyed by the CIA, the Archive said. The CIA said at time that its �safes were too full.�
http://rt.com/usa/iran-coup-cia-operation-647/

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Sun 09/08/13 10:57 PM
No, it is common knowledge. Didn't Madeleine Albright acknowledge CIA involvement some years ago? I know Obama did.

Iranians elected Mossadegh prime minister in 1951. Quickly, the leader moved to nationalize oil production in the country -- a move that would have been a serious blow to the United States and Britain and a win for the USSR.

Because of the failure of oil negotiations with Iran, along with a number of other issues, the United States was concerned "that Iran was in real danger of falling behind the Iron Curtain."

"If that happened, it would mean a victory for the Soviets in the Cold War and a major setback for the West in the Middle East," Donald N. Wilber, a principal planner of the mission, wrote within months of the overthrow. "It was the aim of the TPAJAX project" -- that was the mission's code name -- "to cause the fall of the Mossadeq government; to reestablish the prestige and power of the Shah."



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Mon 09/09/13 05:46 AM

No, it is common knowledge. Didn't Madeleine Albright acknowledge CIA involvement some years ago? I know Obama did.

Iranians elected Mossadegh prime minister in 1951. Quickly, the leader moved to nationalize oil production in the country -- a move that would have been a serious blow to the United States and Britain and a win for the USSR.

Because of the failure of oil negotiations with Iran, along with a number of other issues, the United States was concerned "that Iran was in real danger of falling behind the Iron Curtain."

"If that happened, it would mean a victory for the Soviets in the Cold War and a major setback for the West in the Middle East," Donald N. Wilber, a principal planner of the mission, wrote within months of the overthrow. "It was the aim of the TPAJAX project" -- that was the mission's code name -- "to cause the fall of the Mossadeq government; to reestablish the prestige and power of the Shah."





Propaganda at its finest!

The world bank couldn't allow their control of the worlds fiat currencies to prove themselves the source of debt rather than actual wealth. Nations who are opposed to the debt cycle on which the wealth and control of the fiat banks thrive, MUST, and will always be, dealt with severely!

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 09/09/13 12:39 PM
Edited by Bestinshow on Mon 09/09/13 12:40 PM


No, it is common knowledge. Didn't Madeleine Albright acknowledge CIA involvement some years ago? I know Obama did.

Iranians elected Mossadegh prime minister in 1951. Quickly, the leader moved to nationalize oil production in the country -- a move that would have been a serious blow to the United States and Britain and a win for the USSR.

Because of the failure of oil negotiations with Iran, along with a number of other issues, the United States was concerned "that Iran was in real danger of falling behind the Iron Curtain."

"If that happened, it would mean a victory for the Soviets in the Cold War and a major setback for the West in the Middle East," Donald N. Wilber, a principal planner of the mission, wrote within months of the overthrow. "It was the aim of the TPAJAX project" -- that was the mission's code name -- "to cause the fall of the Mossadeq government; to reestablish the prestige and power of the Shah."





Propaganda at its finest!

The world bank couldn't allow their control of the worlds fiat currencies to prove themselves the source of debt rather than actual wealth. Nations who are opposed to the debt cycle on which the wealth and control of the fiat banks thrive, MUST, and will always be, dealt with severely!
Lets not forget about all that oil..........Lets not forget what a brutal dictator the Shah was but he was "our kind" of brutal dictator.....

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Mon 09/09/13 01:22 PM



No, it is common knowledge. Didn't Madeleine Albright acknowledge CIA involvement some years ago? I know Obama did.

Iranians elected Mossadegh prime minister in 1951. Quickly, the leader moved to nationalize oil production in the country -- a move that would have been a serious blow to the United States and Britain and a win for the USSR.

Because of the failure of oil negotiations with Iran, along with a number of other issues, the United States was concerned "that Iran was in real danger of falling behind the Iron Curtain."

"If that happened, it would mean a victory for the Soviets in the Cold War and a major setback for the West in the Middle East," Donald N. Wilber, a principal planner of the mission, wrote within months of the overthrow. "It was the aim of the TPAJAX project" -- that was the mission's code name -- "to cause the fall of the Mossadeq government; to reestablish the prestige and power of the Shah."





Propaganda at its finest!

The world bank couldn't allow their control of the worlds fiat currencies to prove themselves the source of debt rather than actual wealth. Nations who are opposed to the debt cycle on which the wealth and control of the fiat banks thrive, MUST, and will always be, dealt with severely!
Lets not forget about all that oil..........Lets not forget what a brutal dictator the Shah was but he was "our kind" of brutal dictator.....
yep,and prevented Mossadegh's Putsch in favor of the Soviets!

Besides,this is all Old News,I mean OLD!
Did you really just find out about it?laugh

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 09/09/13 03:09 PM




No, it is common knowledge. Didn't Madeleine Albright acknowledge CIA involvement some years ago? I know Obama did.

Iranians elected Mossadegh prime minister in 1951. Quickly, the leader moved to nationalize oil production in the country -- a move that would have been a serious blow to the United States and Britain and a win for the USSR.

Because of the failure of oil negotiations with Iran, along with a number of other issues, the United States was concerned "that Iran was in real danger of falling behind the Iron Curtain."

"If that happened, it would mean a victory for the Soviets in the Cold War and a major setback for the West in the Middle East," Donald N. Wilber, a principal planner of the mission, wrote within months of the overthrow. "It was the aim of the TPAJAX project" -- that was the mission's code name -- "to cause the fall of the Mossadeq government; to reestablish the prestige and power of the Shah."





Propaganda at its finest!

The world bank couldn't allow their control of the worlds fiat currencies to prove themselves the source of debt rather than actual wealth. Nations who are opposed to the debt cycle on which the wealth and control of the fiat banks thrive, MUST, and will always be, dealt with severely!
Lets not forget about all that oil..........Lets not forget what a brutal dictator the Shah was but he was "our kind" of brutal dictator.....
yep,and prevented Mossadegh's Putsch in favor of the Soviets!

Besides,this is all Old News,I mean OLD!
Did you really just find out about it?laugh
Most thinking people knew this Mr. Conrad but the spooks finally admitted to it. I am old enough to remember the Hostages and our medias pretension at being dumbfounded by the event. It seems the Iranians were and are a bit pissed about the democratically elected government of Mossadegh being over thrown by the USA and Britain, one has to wonder how Americans would feel had this been done to us.

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 09/09/13 04:42 PM
Ah yes then what happened? We goaded Saddam to attack Iran and aided him in every way we could and helped him target his WMDS against Iran and looked the other way when he used them. Of course years later it would be used to tear him down in the media for our war against him.

No small wonder they hate us eh?

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 09/09/13 05:28 PM

Ah yes then what happened? We goaded Saddam to attack Iran and aided him in every way we could and helped him target his WMDS against Iran and looked the other way when he used them. Of course years later it would be used to tear him down in the media for our war against him.

No small wonder they hate us eh?
Bullmalarky!
Saddam Hussein did it all on his own,and besides was a Client of the Soviets!laugh

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 09/09/13 05:41 PM


Ah yes then what happened? We goaded Saddam to attack Iran and aided him in every way we could and helped him target his WMDS against Iran and looked the other way when he used them. Of course years later it would be used to tear him down in the media for our war against him.

No small wonder they hate us eh?
Bullmalarky!
Saddam Hussein did it all on his own,and besides was a Client of the Soviets!laugh
I dont blame you for not being up on current events in the US after all your from some what Switzerland?

United States support for Iraq during the Iran�Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.[3][4]

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the power it became",[5] and "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted�and frequently encouraged�the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 09/09/13 05:43 PM
Or this........

In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq's war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein's military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.
http://reason.com/24-7/2013/08/26/cia-files-us-helped-saddam-against-iran

They dont call me Bestinshow for nothing laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 09/09/13 05:48 PM



Ah yes then what happened? We goaded Saddam to attack Iran and aided him in every way we could and helped him target his WMDS against Iran and looked the other way when he used them. Of course years later it would be used to tear him down in the media for our war against him.

No small wonder they hate us eh?
Bullmalarky!
Saddam Hussein did it all on his own,and besides was a Client of the Soviets!laugh
I dont blame you for not being up on current events in the US after all your from some what Switzerland?

United States support for Iraq during the Iran�Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.[3][4]

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the power it became",[5] and "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted�and frequently encouraged�the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
yeah,right,when Iran started to invade Irak,the US supported both to a Stalemate!

Saddam Hussein was always a Client of the Soviets and Russia,regardless what you are conjuring up!
All his Armaments were Russian!

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 09/09/13 05:50 PM




Ah yes then what happened? We goaded Saddam to attack Iran and aided him in every way we could and helped him target his WMDS against Iran and looked the other way when he used them. Of course years later it would be used to tear him down in the media for our war against him.

No small wonder they hate us eh?
Bullmalarky!
Saddam Hussein did it all on his own,and besides was a Client of the Soviets!laugh
I dont blame you for not being up on current events in the US after all your from some what Switzerland?

United States support for Iraq during the Iran�Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.[3][4]

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the power it became",[5] and "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted�and frequently encouraged�the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
yeah,right,when Iran started to invade Irak,the US supported both to a Stalemate!

Saddam Hussein was always a Client of the Soviets and Russia,regardless what you are conjuring up!
All his Armaments were Russian!
Your totally willfully misinformed

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 09/09/13 05:50 PM

Or this........

In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq's war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein's military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.
http://reason.com/24-7/2013/08/26/cia-files-us-helped-saddam-against-iran

They dont call me Bestinshow for nothing laugh
seems you have missed the little Fact that the US provided Intelligence to Iran as well!
Not so Best after all,me thinks!pitchfork

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Mon 09/09/13 05:53 PM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Mon 09/09/13 05:55 PM





Ah yes then what happened? We goaded Saddam to attack Iran and aided him in every way we could and helped him target his WMDS against Iran and looked the other way when he used them. Of course years later it would be used to tear him down in the media for our war against him.

No small wonder they hate us eh?
Bullmalarky!
Saddam Hussein did it all on his own,and besides was a Client of the Soviets!laugh
I dont blame you for not being up on current events in the US after all your from some what Switzerland?

United States support for Iraq during the Iran�Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.[3][4]

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the power it became",[5] and "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted�and frequently encouraged�the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
yeah,right,when Iran started to invade Irak,the US supported both to a Stalemate!

Saddam Hussein was always a Client of the Soviets and Russia,regardless what you are conjuring up!
All his Armaments were Russian!
Your totally willfully misinformed
Guess he had US Kalashnikovs,US MIG-Fighters,US Mirage-Fighters,and US T-Tanks!:laughing:
And all your highfaluting language doesn't change that!

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 09/09/13 06:05 PM
From 1972 to 1979, the percentage of Iraq's military equipment supplied by the Soviet Union declined from 95 to 63 percent. Even so, in 1987 the Soviet Union, having provided more than US$8 billion worth of weapons since 1980, was Iraq's most important arms supplier. In its 1987 annual study, Soviet Military Power, the United States Department of Defense stated that, while maintaining official neutrality in the IranIraq War, the Soviet Union had provided extensive military assistance to Iraq, and at the same time, continued its efforts to gain leverage on Iran. In early 1987, Moscow delivered a squadron of twenty-four MiG-29 Fulcrums to Baghdad. Considered the most advanced fighter in the Soviet arsenal, the MiG-29 previously had been provided only to Syria and India. The decision to export the MiG-29 to Iraq, also assured Iraq a more advantageous payment schedule than any offered by the West and it reflected Soviet support for one of its traditional allies in the Middle East. Caught in a financial crisis, Baghdad welcomed the low-interest loans Moscow extended for this equipment.

Although the Soviets might not receive payments for several years, the sale of military hardware remained a critical source of revenue for them, and they have tried to retain Iraq as a customer. In May 1987, for example, the Soviets provided Iraq with better financial terms in a successful effort to prevent Iraq from buying sixty French Mirage 2000 fighters for an estimated US$3 billion. An additional US$3 billion in sales of helicopters and radar equipment may also have been denied to the French, although it was not possible to determine whether the Soviets agreed to fulfill both requirements. In early 1988, Iraq owed the Soviet Union between US$8 billion and US$10 billion in military debts alone.

Data as of May 1988

http://www.mongabay.com/history/iraq/iraq-arms_from_the_soviet_union.html

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Mon 09/09/13 06:10 PM
France became a major military supplier to Iraq after 1975 as the two countries improved their political relations. In order to obtain petroleum imports from the Middle East and strengthen its traditional ties with Arab and Muslim countries, France wanted a politico-military bridge between Paris and Baghdad.

Between 1977 and 1987, Paris contracted to sell a total of 133 Mirage F-1 fighters to Iraq. The first transfer occurred in 1978, when France supplied eighteen Mirage F-1 interceptors and thirty helicopters, and even agreed to an Iraqi share in the production of the Mirage 2000 in a US$2 billion arms deal. In 1983 another twenty-nine Mirage F-1s were exported to Baghdad. And in an unprecedented move, France "loaned" Iraq five SuperEtendard attack aircraft, equipped with Exocet AM39 air-to- surface missiles, from its own naval inventory. The SuperEtendards were used extensively in the 1984 tanker war before being replaced by several F-1s. The final batch of twenty-nine F1s was ordered in September 1985 at a cost of more than US$500 million, a part of which was paid in crude oil.

In 1987 the Paris-based Le Monde estimated that, between 1981 and 1985, the value of French arms transfers to Iraq was US$5.1 billion, which represented 40 percent of total French arms exports. Paris, however, was forced to reschedule payment on most of its loans to Iraq because of Iraq's hard-pressed wartime economy and did so willingly because of its longer range strategic interests. French president Fran�ois Mitterand was quoted as saying that French assistance was really aimed at keeping Iraq from losing the war. Iraqi debts to France were estimated at US$3 billion in 1987.

French military sales to Iraq were important for at least two reasons. First, they represented high-performance items. Iraq received attack helicopters, missiles, military vehicles, and artillery pieces from France. Iraq also bought more than 400 Exocet AM39 air-to-surface missiles and at least 200 AS30 laserguided missiles between 1983 and 1986. Second, unlike most other suppliers, France adopted an independent and unambiguous arms sales policy towards Iraq. France did not tie French arms commitments to Baghdad's politico-military actions, and it openly traded with Iraq even when Iranian-inspired terrorists took French hostages in Lebanon. In late 1987, however, the French softened their Persian Gulf policy, and they consummated a deal with Tehran involving the exchange of hostages for detained diplomatic personnel. It was impossible in early 1988 to determine whether France would curtail its arms exports to Iraq in conjunction with this agreement.

Data as of May 1988

http://www.mongabay.com/history/iraq/iraq-arms_from_france.html

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 09/10/13 01:34 AM
SO they also purchased arms from France a US client state. It does not diminish our aid to Saddam targeting Iran with WMDS. again no big surprise your not up to speed on American issues being you are from Switzerland, I am here to help.

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Tue 09/10/13 01:57 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 09/10/13 02:11 AM

SO they also purchased arms from France a US client state. It does not diminish our aid to Saddam targeting Iran with WMDS. again no big surprise your not up to speed on American issues being you are from Switzerland, I am here to help.
yep,that's why it took you sixty years to figure out how Mossadegh got deposed,something we knew back in '56!:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Now,you better have a look what Armament Saddam was using,and then tell me what US Artillery,Fighterplanes,Tanks or Infantry-Weapons he was using!:laughing:

Besides,any 3rd-Semester Chemistry-Student can come up with Chemical Agents!:laughing:

As usual you are not even in the Ballpark with your Rant,Old Son!laugh

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 09/10/13 12:34 PM


SO they also purchased arms from France a US client state. It does not diminish our aid to Saddam targeting Iran with WMDS. again no big surprise your not up to speed on American issues being you are from Switzerland, I am here to help.
yep,that's why it took you sixty years to figure out how Mossadegh got deposed,something we knew back in '56!:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Now,you better have a look what Armament Saddam was using,and then tell me what US Artillery,Fighterplanes,Tanks or Infantry-Weapons he was using!:laughing:

Besides,any 3rd-Semester Chemistry-Student can come up with Chemical Agents!:laughing:

As usual you are not even in the Ballpark with your Rant,Old Son!laugh
For the benefit of our friends in Switzerland.

United States support for Iraq during the Iran�Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.[3][4]

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the power it became",[5] and "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted�and frequently encouraged�the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 09/10/13 12:35 PM
Or this........

In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq's war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein's military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.
http://reason.com/24-7/2013/08/26/cia-files-us-helped-saddam-against-iran

They dont call me Bestinshow for nothing laugh

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