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Topic: Think about it.........
Peccy's photo
Wed 10/16/13 08:46 AM
"Poor people have been voting Democrat 50 years, and they're still poor" - Charles Barkley.

But, on the flip side, Republican voters aren't any better off. And people ask me why I have no affiliation with either party. Could it be they both stink?

Nothing will change until Americans decide to initiate a 3rd party. Not simply use the excuse, "It won't matter, a vote for the third party is a wasted vote." And a vote for someone you can't really get behind is not wasted?

msharmony's photo
Wed 10/16/13 09:31 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 10/16/13 09:33 AM
we are classist at the core, regardless how many parties there are or what we call them

think about this,,,

political discussions are always centered around the 'taxpayer'.well who is that pays taxss?

those making enough to do so

which means, the political system has not been and will not be set up to care much about the impoverished as they are usually not a 'taxpayer',,,and taxpayers will consistently be brainwashed into believing that those people shouldn't matter or have a vote,that they should be ostracized and jump special hoops to earn the same basic things those 'taxpayers' take for granted (like being able to vote), that they are lazy and undeserving and the ones to blame for draining the system and supporting 'communist' policies, that they are non hard working spunging off of hardworking and should not do anything but live by the whim of what the 'taxpayers' decide

BUT,,there are policies which at least attempt to level the playing field in terms of the rights and basic needs of all, regardless of their class,,,


Sojourning_Soul's photo
Wed 10/16/13 09:36 AM

we are classist at the core, regardless how many parties there are or what we call them

think about this,,,

political discussions are always centered around the 'taxpayer'.well who is that pays taxss?

those making enough to do so

which means, the political system has not been and will not be set up to care much about the impoverished as they are usually not a 'taxpayer',,,and taxpayers will consistently be brainwashed into believing that those people shouldn't matter or have a vote,that they should be ostracized and jump special hoops to earn the same basic things those 'taxpayers' take for granted (like being able to vote), that they are lazy and undeserving and the ones to blame for draining the system and supporting 'communist' policies, that they are non hard working spunging off of hardworking and should not do anything but live by the whim of what the 'taxpayers' decide

BUT,,there are policies which at least attempt to level the playing field in terms of the rights and basic needs of all, regardless of their class,,,




Yeah, equality to every individual....like our Constitution they are destroying guarantees us?

msharmony's photo
Wed 10/16/13 09:37 AM


we are classist at the core, regardless how many parties there are or what we call them

think about this,,,

political discussions are always centered around the 'taxpayer'.well who is that pays taxss?

those making enough to do so

which means, the political system has not been and will not be set up to care much about the impoverished as they are usually not a 'taxpayer',,,and taxpayers will consistently be brainwashed into believing that those people shouldn't matter or have a vote,that they should be ostracized and jump special hoops to earn the same basic things those 'taxpayers' take for granted (like being able to vote), that they are lazy and undeserving and the ones to blame for draining the system and supporting 'communist' policies, that they are non hard working spunging off of hardworking and should not do anything but live by the whim of what the 'taxpayers' decide

BUT,,there are policies which at least attempt to level the playing field in terms of the rights and basic needs of all, regardless of their class,,,




Yeah, equality to every individual....like our Constitution they are destroying guarantees us?



or not,,,well not always, since there wasn't always EQUALITY written into the constitution either

laws evolve,, so did the constitution, as it will continue to do

boredinaz06's photo
Wed 10/16/13 02:36 PM
Edited by boredinaz06 on Wed 10/16/13 02:39 PM



At this point I fail to see the constitution evolving, but rather evaporating before our very eyes.

The constitution was written to ensure the people have a way to keep the government in check through various unalienable rights.

Today we have drones watching us.

NSA watching us via email, social media, cell phones and how you use your credit and or debit cards.


I fully support a 3rd party and also support Free And Equal Elections, if you haven't heard of em check em out at freeandequal . org.

msharmony's photo
Wed 10/16/13 02:39 PM




At this point I fail to see the constitution evolving, but rather evaporating before our very eyes.

The constitution was written to ensure the people have a way to keep the government in check through various unalienable rights.

Today we have drones watching us.

NSA watching us via email, social media, cell phones and how you use your credit and or debit cards.




you know that the nsa watches you specifically?

is one of our rights not to be 'watched'?



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Wed 10/16/13 02:42 PM





At this point I fail to see the constitution evolving, but rather evaporating before our very eyes.

The constitution was written to ensure the people have a way to keep the government in check through various unalienable rights.

Today we have drones watching us.

NSA watching us via email, social media, cell phones and how you use your credit and or debit cards.




you know that the nsa watches you specifically?

is one of our rights not to be 'watched'?





I have no idea if they watch me. And I have the expectation that what ever I do online, on the phone or at the store I will not be watched. It has been argued before the scotus whether or not people have this expectation and unfortunately the scotus has spoken for every single one of us by declaring no, we do not.

msharmony's photo
Wed 10/16/13 02:52 PM






At this point I fail to see the constitution evolving, but rather evaporating before our very eyes.

The constitution was written to ensure the people have a way to keep the government in check through various unalienable rights.

Today we have drones watching us.

NSA watching us via email, social media, cell phones and how you use your credit and or debit cards.




you know that the nsa watches you specifically?

is one of our rights not to be 'watched'?





I have no idea if they watch me. And I have the expectation that what ever I do online, on the phone or at the store I will not be watched. It has been argued before the scotus whether or not people have this expectation and unfortunately the scotus has spoken for every single one of us by declaring no, we do not.


well a store is a public place, don't know why there would be an expectation not to be watched or seen

online, is a VERY PUBLIC medium, also not reasonable to expect when posting on a medium that is SEEN Around the world that one wont be seen or watched


the phone, I can understand an expectancy of privacy , MOSTLY, although with cell phones, the very fact that the signal comes off of towers means the technology should not be expected to ENSURE privacy,,,,,

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Wed 10/16/13 02:56 PM
charles barkley should never be quoted for one... I think the split into parties is the worse thing to . If it was one party there would be alot less finger pointing and more solutions.. Another party.?? that would a total disaster, it would be full of liberals and tree huggers.. And by the way that confederate flag is hella offensive,

Peccy's photo
Wed 10/16/13 03:02 PM

we are classist at the core, regardless how many parties there are or what we call them

think about this,,,

political discussions are always centered around the 'taxpayer'.well who is that pays taxss?

those making enough to do so

which means, the political system has not been and will not be set up to care much about the impoverished as they are usually not a 'taxpayer',,,and taxpayers will consistently be brainwashed into believing that those people shouldn't matter or have a vote,that they should be ostracized and jump special hoops to earn the same basic things those 'taxpayers' take for granted (like being able to vote), that they are lazy and undeserving and the ones to blame for draining the system and supporting 'communist' policies, that they are non hard working spunging off of hardworking and should not do anything but live by the whim of what the 'taxpayers' decide

BUT,,there are policies which at least attempt to level the playing field in terms of the rights and basic needs of all, regardless of their class,,,


Exactly what I mean. If that wasn't a speech about "Why you should be a Democrat, because we are against all the atrocities I just told you about." I don't know what was. "We are the classiest to the core" was a prelude to your rant........If that's how you want to believe things are, more power to you. One party is just as bad as the other in my opinion.

boredinaz06's photo
Wed 10/16/13 03:04 PM







At this point I fail to see the constitution evolving, but rather evaporating before our very eyes.

The constitution was written to ensure the people have a way to keep the government in check through various unalienable rights.

Today we have drones watching us.

NSA watching us via email, social media, cell phones and how you use your credit and or debit cards.




you know that the nsa watches you specifically?

is one of our rights not to be 'watched'?





I have no idea if they watch me. And I have the expectation that what ever I do online, on the phone or at the store I will not be watched. It has been argued before the scotus whether or not people have this expectation and unfortunately the scotus has spoken for every single one of us by declaring no, we do not.


well a store is a public place, don't know why there would be an expectation not to be watched or seen

online, is a VERY PUBLIC medium, also not reasonable to expect when posting on a medium that is SEEN Around the world that one wont be seen or watched


the phone, I can understand an expectancy of privacy , MOSTLY, although with cell phones, the very fact that the signal comes off of towers means the technology should not be expected to ENSURE privacy,,,,,


I understand a store using cameras in the case of a robbery or other crime and as long as those recordings are erased and not stored I have no issue with it. However if these tapes are stored that is another story.

When I am in my house and online I have an expectation to privacy, even though I may be on facebook that is not someplace I am private meaning what I talk about. Email on the other hand is way different.

And the same goes with my phone, be it a cell or landline I have the expectation that I can talk to people without the possibility of being spyed upon.

msharmony's photo
Wed 10/16/13 03:05 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 10/16/13 03:07 PM


we are classist at the core, regardless how many parties there are or what we call them

think about this,,,

political discussions are always centered around the 'taxpayer'.well who is that pays taxss?

those making enough to do so

which means, the political system has not been and will not be set up to care much about the impoverished as they are usually not a 'taxpayer',,,and taxpayers will consistently be brainwashed into believing that those people shouldn't matter or have a vote,that they should be ostracized and jump special hoops to earn the same basic things those 'taxpayers' take for granted (like being able to vote), that they are lazy and undeserving and the ones to blame for draining the system and supporting 'communist' policies, that they are non hard working spunging off of hardworking and should not do anything but live by the whim of what the 'taxpayers' decide

BUT,,there are policies which at least attempt to level the playing field in terms of the rights and basic needs of all, regardless of their class,,,


Exactly what I mean. If that wasn't a speech about "Why you should be a Democrat, because we are against all the atrocities I just told you about." I don't know what was. "We are the classiest to the core" was a prelude to your rant........If that's how you want to believe things are, more power to you. One party is just as bad as the other in my opinion.



once again, I guess IM just ignorant to the 'code words' some here apparently see that mean something different than what they say,,,lol

I said nor implied anything about either or any political party,, if that's what your perception ,more power to YOU

those who care about others are more admirable and supportable than those who don't,, in my opinion,,,

by the way, even though we label the parties,, I would bet my life that EVERY member of a party does not agree about EVERY issue 100percent of the time

so,, that's my point about being classist and caring about others,,, there is no litmus test that keeps the selfish or classist out of a party , whatever its name

and whatever name the party of the person happens to be,, THOSE TYPES don't get my vote,,

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Wed 10/16/13 03:10 PM



The idea of single party is ridiculous, that would lead to absolute power and absolute power corrupts far beyond what we have today so I do fully support a 3rd party.


msharmony's photo
Wed 10/16/13 03:17 PM
it would lead only to a 'majority rules'

not sure if that would be any better or worse than the 60 percent majority rules that we already have,,,

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Wed 10/16/13 03:28 PM
Anywho so what if it leads to power, at least it would be heading in the same direction, instead of putting the blame on one another, it would force future congressmen to come to a common ground, instead of sitting around saying "not me, him".. congress is already at a confused and delusional state, adding a third party would cause more chaos, and lead to even longer deals and agreements...

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Wed 10/16/13 04:05 PM

Anywho so what if it leads to power, at least it would be heading in the same direction, instead of putting the blame on one another, it would force future congressmen to come to a common ground, instead of sitting around saying "not me, him".. congress is already at a confused and delusional state, adding a third party would cause more chaos, and lead to even longer deals and agreements...


I don't have the answer anymore than you or anyone else does, only my opinion about the subject. At the end of the day we should retire 100% of the house and senate.

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Wed 10/16/13 04:08 PM

it would lead only to a 'majority rules'

not sure if that would be any better or worse than the 60 percent majority rules that we already have,,,



I think it's time to try something else, our experiment in self government is a failure so we need to try another experiment.

no photo
Wed 10/16/13 05:34 PM


it would lead only to a 'majority rules'

not sure if that would be any better or worse than the 60 percent majority rules that we already have,,,



I think it's time to try something else, our experiment in self government is a failure so we need to try another experiment.


I like the flag, keep it.
I think that Barkley is right. The poor and underprivileged think that the Dems are going to give them what they think that they need. They will end up with nothing more and far less than if they had worked for it. And no, raising the minimum is not the answer to all problems, just a bandaid.

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Wed 10/16/13 09:24 PM



I like the flag, keep it.
I think that Barkley is right. The poor and underprivileged think that the Dems are going to give them what they think that they need. They will end up with nothing more and far less than if they had worked for it. And no, raising the minimum is not the answer to all problems, just a bandaid.



Plan to, got it on the car, my daily hat and hangin in the yard.

They all fail to realize that this will eventually fail. They will tax people into the poorhouse to feed those who are poor due to the choices they made for themselves.

All these yayhoos you see runnin around with their hats sideways, butts hangin out, inked up livin at home hoodlums are the next generation of poor.

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Wed 10/16/13 10:01 PM

Anywho so what if it leads to power, at least it would be heading in the same direction, instead of putting the blame on one another, it would force future congressmen to come to a common ground, instead of sitting around saying "not me, him".. congress is already at a confused and delusional state, adding a third party would cause more chaos, and lead to even longer deals and agreements...


Germany is proof that doesn't work.

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