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Topic: Mandela ceremony interpreter called a 'fake'
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 12/19/13 05:20 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 12/19/13 05:28 AM

It's symantics. Even the TV news anchors will call Africa the ME. Probably because most of them know nothing more than what they read from the news wire teleprompter....

Like with the Asian airliner that crashed and the names of the crew that was released....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JYHNX8pdo

Or the one about rising gas prices

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAkxR9T01pw#t=29

Guilt, or maybe stupidity, by association, from following scripted news laugh

Smartazzjohn's photo
Thu 12/19/13 12:00 PM


LOL Good try. You're right, Libya is in north Africa but continental location isn't THE determining factor for being part of the middle east.

Egypt and Libya are both geographically in north Africa but are considered to be part of the middle east. The middle east isn't a CONTINENT, it's a region that includes parts of north Africa. Most of the middle east, not all, is geographically situated in Asia which is something your maps don't indicate.


Of course the ME isn't a continent, it is a region. slaphead The Arab world is always referred to as 'North Africa and the Middle East'. In Roman times the region was known as the Orient. The 'Middle East' literally means 'East of the Middle Sea' (Mediterranean), and it doesn't include North Africa (perhaps in American Geography texts, but not in the academic world). You (and your source) are confusing the Middle East with the Arab World.






You shouldn't lump all academics into one belief, they don't ALL agree with what should be referred to as the "middle east". Libya is included as part of the ME by many "modern day" academics along with Monaco, Algeria, Tunisia and Turkey. Today the near east and middle east are basically synonymous and are referred to as the middle east by most people. Many academic "historians" don't agree but for the purposes being discussed here, which is a US political discussion that uses the "modern" definition, Libya is part of the middle east.

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Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/19/13 02:08 PM



LOL Good try. You're right, Libya is in north Africa but continental location isn't THE determining factor for being part of the middle east.

Egypt and Libya are both geographically in north Africa but are considered to be part of the middle east. The middle east isn't a CONTINENT, it's a region that includes parts of north Africa. Most of the middle east, not all, is geographically situated in Asia which is something your maps don't indicate.


Of course the ME isn't a continent, it is a region. slaphead The Arab world is always referred to as 'North Africa and the Middle East'. In Roman times the region was known as the Orient. The 'Middle East' literally means 'East of the Middle Sea' (Mediterranean), and it doesn't include North Africa (perhaps in American Geography texts, but not in the academic world). You (and your source) are confusing the Middle East with the Arab World.






You shouldn't lump all academics into one belief, they don't ALL agree with what should be referred to as the "middle east". Libya is included as part of the ME by many "modern day" academics along with Monaco, Algeria, Tunisia and Turkey. Today the near east and middle east are basically synonymous and are referred to as the middle east by most people. Many academic "historians" don't agree but for the purposes being discussed here, which is a US political discussion that uses the "modern" definition, Libya is part of the middle east.

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You did mean Morocco,not Monaco,didn't you?bigsmile

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Sun 12/29/13 01:28 AM



You shouldn't lump all academics into one belief, they don't ALL agree with what should be referred to as the "middle east". Libya is included as part of the ME by many "modern day" academics along with Monaco, Algeria, Tunisia and Turkey. Today the near east and middle east are basically synonymous and are referred to as the middle east by most people. Many academic "historians" don't agree but for the purposes being discussed here, which is a US political discussion that uses the "modern" definition, Libya is part of the middle east.

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Really? Who might those 'academics' be? People you just invented? If North Africa is included in the Middle East it is purely out of ignorance of geography and has nothing to do with academic disagreement, semantics, or any other imagined scenario.

END OF REALITY.

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