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| Topic: Do the Ten Commandments violate the US Constitution? | |
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Prohibiting worship of "graven images" and "taking the lord's name in vain" seem contrary to the freedom of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Prohibiting "Coveting" (defined as: to strongly want something that someone else has) anyone's mate or possessions is a violation of individual freedom to want something (provided that no criminal act ensues). It is also irrational and unrealistic – providing that it is a thought, not an action. As long as those are self-imposed sanctions, there is no objection. However, if they are imposed upon others without their consent, there IS objection. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/14/most-of-the-10-commandments-violate-u-s-constitution-atheists-say-in-oklahoma-suit/ what about if I have a church and I need a secretary and my belief is homosexuality is dead wrong. Should the Govt. make me hire a gay person and have to watch what I say or do because this employee may see this as discrimination. Now this has happened many times. Believers are the ones being forced legalized discrimination against churches against businesses against individuals. yet u will say that's ok. That's called Legalized discrimination forced upon us by our own Govt. Shalom Miles, It's been a long time. If the Church has legally declared it's religious standing, by becoming a non-profit organization, then they have the right to discriminate in certain practices, such as hiring. Notice the Catholic has not female priests or male nuns. Many parochial Schools have fired teachers for being gay and sometimes (in the case of one of my relatives) they are fired simply for supporting something like gay marriage. Now, when a huge non-profit organization, such as a hospital, has an open door policy in accepting both, clients and employees from the general population, then (in my opinion) they don't have the right to enforce the personal beliefs of the hierarchy on those people. I believe that is what you are referring to and that is still being battled out on that big hill with white palace with any number of revolving doors. Shalom my friend, may this new year be filled with joy. Shalom Red. I agree on health care and all those things because we have a right to those things. I do believe that the gay community could be a little more compassionate themselves. Their are plenty of Hosp. to go to.. You do not need to go to a catholic hosp or Jewish for something they disagree with in their beliefs. When these Hospitals opened it was for the good of the people and to show their faith by action. Employers that have say a Board of Directors a publicly traded company. No I believe they can not refuse anyone its a company and a company is not a church or individual. Churches and solely owned companies I believe have a right to follow their beliefs without any resource. I believe in these trying times we could all be more compassionate to everyone. I believe IMO that the gay communities go out of their way to cause problems when a church or whatever business to say " You will do as I say" and the news gets ahold of it and the next thing you know we are having protests ect and all this is hurting our economy and our love for one another. We should not bother each other if we can not get along. love one another comes in many forms. Take care Red always Glad to see you Shalom In cases of emergency people are taken to the closest hospital. Gay people, transgender people don't wear tags with their sexual orientation on it and Hospitals don't put signs up refusing to treat people who have different religious values. If a hospital employs anyone from the population and accepts anyone from the general population, there should never be an exception to a person being treated like a human being. Most of the hospitals around me are religious focused and they are all different. I have had great experiences with wonderful caring staff and to my knowledge there has never been a question over my sexuality. It just wasn't ever brought up. Thousands of people are treated in such hospitals, everyday with no problem. So when a problem arises, it makes the news and of course then it seems like there is always a problem. It's not so. Do you know, I once had a priest, in a Catholic hospital, ask me if I wanted to pray with him. I simply said "No, but I do appreciate your concern". He was concerned and he even asked me if there was some other religion I took comfort in so that he might find someone for me. Imagine that. I took his hand and said that what I took comfort in was the fellowship of caring human beings. He squeezed my hand and said he would check on me. You see, not one person I know who is gay is any different than me, in fact I'm an atheist and most of my gay friends are Christians or Jewish. The only problem that exists is when a person is PERCEIVED to be different, as with my transgender friends and some of my friends gay friends who are in committed relationships and make it known who their partner is. That's when prejudice rears its ugly head. I have no problem with any medical center or hospital hanging out a sign and saying we don't hire XXX or treat XXX due to our religious convictions. I have no problem with that, but you know what, where there's money to be had, there are few who would make such restrictions. So as far as I'm concerned, there should NEVER be a time when the religious hierarchy of any organization doing business in the private sector should be allowed to enforce behaviors on other simply because it coincides with religious convictions of the hierarchy. Shalom |
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Prohibiting worship of "graven images" and "taking the lord's name in vain" seem contrary to the freedom of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. Prohibiting "Coveting" (defined as: to strongly want something that someone else has) anyone's mate or possessions is a violation of individual freedom to want something (provided that no criminal act ensues). It is also irrational and unrealistic – providing that it is a thought, not an action. As long as those are self-imposed sanctions, there is no objection. However, if they are imposed upon others without their consent, there IS objection. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/14/most-of-the-10-commandments-violate-u-s-constitution-atheists-say-in-oklahoma-suit/ what about if I have a church and I need a secretary and my belief is homosexuality is dead wrong. Should the Govt. make me hire a gay person and have to watch what I say or do because this employee may see this as discrimination. Now this has happened many times. Believers are the ones being forced legalized discrimination against churches against businesses against individuals. yet u will say that's ok. That's called Legalized discrimination forced upon us by our own Govt. Shalom Miles, It's been a long time. If the Church has legally declared it's religious standing, by becoming a non-profit organization, then they have the right to discriminate in certain practices, such as hiring. Notice the Catholic has not female priests or male nuns. Many parochial Schools have fired teachers for being gay and sometimes (in the case of one of my relatives) they are fired simply for supporting something like gay marriage. Now, when a huge non-profit organization, such as a hospital, has an open door policy in accepting both, clients and employees from the general population, then (in my opinion) they don't have the right to enforce the personal beliefs of the hierarchy on those people. I believe that is what you are referring to and that is still being battled out on that big hill with white palace with any number of revolving doors. Shalom my friend, may this new year be filled with joy. Shalom Red. I agree on health care and all those things because we have a right to those things. I do believe that the gay community could be a little more compassionate themselves. Their are plenty of Hosp. to go to.. You do not need to go to a catholic hosp or Jewish for something they disagree with in their beliefs. When these Hospitals opened it was for the good of the people and to show their faith by action. Employers that have say a Board of Directors a publicly traded company. No I believe they can not refuse anyone its a company and a company is not a church or individual. Churches and solely owned companies I believe have a right to follow their beliefs without any resource. I believe in these trying times we could all be more compassionate to everyone. I believe IMO that the gay communities go out of their way to cause problems when a church or whatever business to say " You will do as I say" and the news gets ahold of it and the next thing you know we are having protests ect and all this is hurting our economy and our love for one another. We should not bother each other if we can not get along. love one another comes in many forms. Take care Red always Glad to see you Shalom In cases of emergency people are taken to the closest hospital. Gay people, transgender people don't wear tags with their sexual orientation on it and Hospitals don't put signs up refusing to treat people who have different religious values. If a hospital employs anyone from the population and accepts anyone from the general population, there should never be an exception to a person being treated like a human being. Most of the hospitals around me are religious focused and they are all different. I have had great experiences with wonderful caring staff and to my knowledge there has never been a question over my sexuality. It just wasn't ever brought up. Thousands of people are treated in such hospitals, everyday with no problem. So when a problem arises, it makes the news and of course then it seems like there is always a problem. It's not so. Do you know, I once had a priest, in a Catholic hospital, ask me if I wanted to pray with him. I simply said "No, but I do appreciate your concern". He was concerned and he even asked me if there was some other religion I took comfort in so that he might find someone for me. Imagine that. I took his hand and said that what I took comfort in was the fellowship of caring human beings. He squeezed my hand and said he would check on me. You see, not one person I know who is gay is any different than me, in fact I'm an atheist and most of my gay friends are Christians or Jewish. The only problem that exists is when a person is PERCEIVED to be different, as with my transgender friends and some of my friends gay friends who are in committed relationships and make it known who their partner is. That's when prejudice rears its ugly head. I have no problem with any medical center or hospital hanging out a sign and saying we don't hire XXX or treat XXX due to our religious convictions. I have no problem with that, but you know what, where there's money to be had, there are few who would make such restrictions. So as far as I'm concerned, there should NEVER be a time when the religious hierarchy of any organization doing business in the private sector should be allowed to enforce behaviors on other simply because it coincides with religious convictions of the hierarchy. Shalom I understand and can relate to what you are saying. u very well may be right because I know very few gay people. basically u and my landlords son. He lives in Australia and was home this summer and I liked him very much. No hosp should be able to refuse an emergency I believe that is the law. I go by what I see. I just get tired of it. The News is a big culprit because they are out for ratings and controversy makes them money. Yet when a lot of people do not even know a gay person and their belief system they have had all their lives says its wrong and u see so much on TV they actually are doing the gay community a wrong by making big deals about stuff. I have confided in you what I went through and believe me it was rough and I wish I could go fight but I will be just blasted no one will listen even though me moving to the west coast I find out I was set up. u know what I mean. I understand being discriminated against. its horrible. But I still believe in what I have studied and can not change that just as I can not change you. yet u and me get along good and have respect for each other and speak openly. So you are my friend u always will be. I hope u do not see me as some Gay Basher. I believe what I believe is a desire to want to follow what I believe. I know over the years u have seen me have more respect for the non believer than the believer for 1 reason. they speak openly even if they are running down religion. I like to learn. Hope and compassion is really what I wish the world was about but it never will be for now at least. I respect u Red as a person and a good Friend and I hope the best for you. I hope I did not insult u or anyone else in any fashion. If I have please accept my sincere apologies.. You are a very nice person and I have learned a lot from you Take Care and May Yahweh's Shalom Be With You Always |
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Will everyone calm down a bit Please, lol?! Well whoever said: never discuss Sex, Religion or Politics....etc migh have had a point? Besides I am 40, female, single, gay, Roman catholic with a child out of wedlock, etc etc. Hence Im an obvious walking, talking contradiction. My point is this: regardless of faith sexual orientation, the law/constitution, government interpretation in regards the statute books, (UK) based I am, or Parliament passing law with so-called 'Royal Assent'- we shall never ever agree totally on any such Subject due to Its disparate nature, hence this or any other intellectual mature debate. So can we all agree to differ please? Or not is fine too. Laws & the Bible, eg can be contrary to any condtitution; be content that ours (uk) isnt recorded like yours (USA). I have learned by my own choice, about my legal/or constitutional rights so cannot pick up One sole copy of the Bill of rights- I researched it when I read law at university. Feel free to comment. Debate away lol butddont get so wound up about it...wars have began for less....plz let's not go there. Thanks for your attention if u read this. I shall re-visit this Forum lol to check everyone is still calm lol.
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 Will everyone calm down a bit Please, lol?! Well whoever said: never discuss Sex, Religion or Politics....etc migh have had a point? Besides I am 40, female, single, gay, Roman catholic with a child out of wedlock, etc etc. Hence Im an obvious walking, talking contradiction. My point is this: regardless of faith sexual orientation, the law/constitution, government interpretation in regards the statute books, (UK) based I am, or Parliament passing law with so-called 'Royal Assent'- we shall never ever agree totally on any such Subject due to Its disparate nature, hence this or any other intellectual mature debate. So can we all agree to differ please? Or not is fine too. Laws & the Bible, eg can be contrary to any condtitution; be content that ours (uk) isnt recorded like yours (USA). I have learned by my own choice, about my legal/or constitutional rights so cannot pick up One sole copy of the Bill of rights- I researched it when I read law at university. Feel free to comment. Debate away lol butddont get so wound up about it...wars have began for less....plz let's not go there. Thanks for your attention if u read this. I shall re-visit this Forum lol to check everyone is still calm lol.
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Miles, Of course I was not offended at all, in fact your comments gave me the opportunity to broaden the view of our side of the story to a view from my side.
All of us can only speak from our own experiences and I totally agree with you that the experiences we often get from the media are not always worthy of our acceptance. As always, thanks for the discussion and like you, I am happy to have found acceptance of the diversity between us, it's a rare thing. I think all friendships, in fact all good relationships, are built on trust. It gives the power to see the truth that exists beyond our differences. Peace! DIDDY DEE: I had to laugh when I read your post. You are NOT a contradiction - unless you forgot to mention that you're a politician..  I have a question for you though. I'm not up on the political history of Britain since transitioning into the UK. But it's my understanding that Great Britain had a national religion prior to Ireland's inclusion. Is there still a national religion? If so, is it inclusive of the Ten Commandments? I could look it up but it's your home so I'm deferring to you. Thanks. |
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Please tell me you aren't serious....there is no relationship between the two so it does not matter
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There is nothing in the language of the constitution that would warrant the assertion that it was derived from the ten commandments. Conversely, nothing in the ten commandments can be construed as permitting amendments.
And it is beyond me how homosexuality crept into this topic but since it has I'll comment. Homosexuality is not a religion to the best of my knowledge. Furthermore, I am unaware of any article of the constitution that prohibits the practice. Nor am I aware of any interpretation of the ten commandments that forbids the lifestyle. (Although I have seen one version states "thou shall not covet thy neighbor's A S S" but I think the term applied to livestock). Excerpted from the Treaty of Tripoli, June 10, 1797 signed by President John Adams: ARTICLE 11. As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. |
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My bad friends, i misread the question...
I'll be brief: I don't read anything in the language of the constitution or commandments would cause me to think they are conflicting. |
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