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Topic: New wepons baby!
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Tue 09/11/07 11:47 PM
The US military is funding development of a weapon that delivers a bout of excruciating pain from up to 2 kilometres away. Intended for use against rioters, it is meant to leave victims unharmed. But pain researchers are furious that work aimed at controlling pain has been used to develop a weapon. And they fear that the technology will be used for torture.

"I am deeply concerned about the ethical aspects of this research," says Andrew Rice, a consultant in pain medicine at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital in London, UK. "Even if the use of temporary severe pain can be justified as a restraining measure, which I do not believe it can, the long-term physical and psychological effects are unknown."

The research came to light in documents unearthed by the Sunshine Project, an organisation based in Texas and in Hamburg, Germany, that exposes biological weapons research. The papers were released under the US's Freedom of Information Act.

One document, a research contract between the Office of Naval Research and the University of Florida in Gainesville, US, is entitled "Sensory consequences of electromagnetic pulses emitted by laser induced plasmas".

It concerns so-called Pulsed Energy Projectiles (PEPs), which fire a laser pulse that generates a burst of expanding plasma when it hits something solid, like a person (New Scientist print edition, 12 October 2002). The weapon, destined for use in 2007, could literally knock rioters off their feet.
Pain trigger

According to a 2003 review of non-lethal weapons by the US Naval Studies Board, which advises the navy and marine corps, PEPs produced "pain and temporary paralysis" in tests on animals. This appears to be the result of an electromagnetic pulse produced by the expanding plasma which triggers impulses in nerve cells.

The new study, which runs until July and will be carried out with researchers at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, aims to optimise this effect. The idea is to work out how to generate a pulse which triggers pain neurons without damaging tissue.

The contract, heavily censored before release, asks researchers to look for "optimal pulse parameters to evoke peak nociceptor activation" - in other words, cause the maximum pain possible. Studies on cells grown in the lab will identify how much pain can be inflicted on someone before causing injury or death.
Long-term risk

New Scientist contacted two researchers working on the project. Martin Richardson, a laser expert at the University of Central Florida, US, refused to comment. Brian Cooper, an expert in dental pain at the University of Florida, distanced himself from the work, saying "I don't have anything interesting to convey. I was just providing some background for the group." His name appears on a public list of the university's research projects next to the $500,000-plus grant.

John Wood of University College London, UK, an expert in how the brain perceives pain, says the researchers involved in the project should face censure. "It could be used for torture," he says, "the [researchers] must be aware of this."

Amanda Williams, a clinical psychologist at University College London, fears that victims risk long-term harm. "Persistent pain can result from a range of supposedly non-destructive stimuli which nevertheless change the functioning of the nervous system," she says. She is concerned that studies of cultured cells will fall short of demonstrating a safe level for a plasma burst. "They cannot tell us about the pain and psychological consequences of such a painful experience.!
Nice huh???
Gettin hit with some wierd space age sh!t now!!!

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Tue 09/11/07 11:52 PM
WHAT about the new gas that turns men gay in war......seriously sick stuff!!!noway noway noway

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Tue 09/11/07 11:57 PM
Wow!!laugh laugh laugh
Never heard that one!!!laugh laugh
But i do know about the new SMAW-NE rocket!

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Tue 09/11/07 11:58 PM
WTF?????


say more???!!!


and how does a weapon cause excruciating pain and leave a person unharmed????????


trauma is damage. torture is harm. i think as a human race we have become a laughing stock

i think we all deserve whatever happens and frankly i wouldn't weep if the whole specis were wiped outgrumble


yea ALL OF US. basta.


we sure have made a mess



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Tue 09/11/07 11:58 PM
yA.....I seen it on tv about 2 years ago......seriously wacked.......it showed the guys ughhhhhhhh gawd I cant event alk about it!!!sick sick sick

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Wed 09/12/07 12:00 AM
Yeah but now its NEW AND IMPROVED!!!!!
Now its got a thermobaric warhead!!

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Wed 09/12/07 12:06 AM
lol bl8tant!!!! Tell us how you really feel!!!devil devil devil laugh laugh laugh

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Wed 09/12/07 12:30 AM
sounds like a big taser??

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Wed 09/12/07 12:34 AM
It shoots out a blast of plasma!!
You got me but it dont sound like something i wanna get hit with!
laugh

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Wed 09/12/07 01:21 AM
Russia tests out superstrength bomb :

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1155952320070911?sp=true

By Dmitry Solovyov

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia has tested the world's most powerful vacuum bomb, which unleashes a destructive shockwave with the power of a nuclear blast, the military said on Tuesday, dubbing it the "father of all bombs".

The bomb is the latest in a series of new Russian weapons and policy moves as President Vladimir Putin tries to reassert Moscow's role on the international stage.

"Test results of the new airborne weapon have shown that its efficiency and power is commensurate with a nuclear weapon," Alexander Rukshin, Russian deputy armed forces chief of staff, told Russia's state ORT First Channel television. The same report was later shown on the state-sponsored Vesti channel.

"You will now see it in action, the bomb which has no match in the world is being tested at a military site."

It showed a Tupolev Tu-160 strategic bomber dropping the bomb over a testing ground. A large explosion followed.

Pictures showed what looked like a flattened multi-storey block of flats surrounded by scorched soil and boulders. "The soil looks like a lunar landscape," the report said.

"The defense ministry stresses this military invention does not contradict a single international treaty. Russia is not unleashing a new arms race."

Such devices generally detonate in two stages. First a small blast disperses a main load of explosive material into a cloud, which then either spontaneously ignites in air or is set off by a second charge.

This explosion generates a pressure wave that reaches much further than that from a conventional explosive. The consumption of gases in the blast also generates a partial vacuum that can compound damage and injuries caused by the explosion itself.

"The main destruction is inflicted by an ultrasonic shockwave and an incredibly high temperature," the reports said. "All that is alive merely evaporates."

Rukshin said: "At the same time, I want to stress that the action of this weapon does not contaminate the environment, in contrast to a nuclear one."

"FATHER OF ALL BOMBS"

The Tu-160 supersonic bomber that dropped the bomb, widely known under its NATO nickname of "Blackjack", is the heaviest combat aircraft ever built.

Putin, who has overseen the roll-out of new tactical and anti-aircraft missiles and combat aircraft, has ordered "Blackjacks" and the Tu-95 "Bear" bombers to patrol around the world.

The report said the new bomb was much stronger than the U.S.-built Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb -- MOAB, also known under its name "Mother of All Bombs". "So, Russian designers called the new weapon 'Father of All Bombs'," it said.

Showing the orange-painted U.S. prototype, the report said the Russian bomb was four times more powerful -- 44 metric tons of TNT equivalent -- and the temperature at the epicenter of its blast was two times higher.

In 1999 Russian generals threatened to use vacuum bombs to wipe out rebels from the mountains during the "anti-terrorist operation" in its restive Chechnya province.

New York-based Human Rights Watch then appealed to Putin to refrain from using fuel-air explosives. It remains unclear if weapons of this type were used during the Chechen war.

U.S. forces have used a "thermobaric" bomb, which works on similar principles, in their campaign against al Qaeda and Taliban forces in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan.

"It (the bomb) will allow us to safeguard our state's security and fight international terrorism in any circumstances and in any part of the world," Rukshin said.


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Wed 09/12/07 02:08 AM
Isn't this a lovely planet?ohwell

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Wed 09/12/07 02:10 AM
(Am starting to rethink reminding people about the Southern Hemispere and Australia)

It may end up the world's best kept secret...the land the world forgot..:wink: ohwell

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Wed 09/12/07 02:15 AM
smooched

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Wed 09/12/07 02:24 AM
What bothers me much more are those people who public call for using such weapons. They show no respect for human life at all.frown

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Wed 09/12/07 02:26 AM
Of course it should have read "publicly", but the teacher isn't here, so no spanking today.:wink:

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Wed 09/12/07 02:43 AM
Noone cares for huuman life anymore,it's all about Money and Power.as it's been said "Money is the root of all evil" mad

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Wed 09/12/07 06:27 AM
Jtevans,

1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

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Money itself is actually pretty neat.

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Wed 09/12/07 07:53 AM
yah it makes a lot more sense to kill the enemy than to incapacitate them. Is this your viewpoint? ... as this is what you are saying....

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Wed 09/12/07 08:11 AM
rambill79,

It's better for the enemy to kill us, because if we kill them, it might hurt their self esteem.

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Wed 09/12/07 04:22 PM
yah thats true. we wouldent want to offend anyone, even though they have bad intentions. might hurt thier feelings and they would be sad.

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