so how did a bill that allegedly was only supported by democrats, have a section requiring senate participation that was somehow only supported by republicans? how does that work?

and yes,, many times things that aren't affordable individually, are offered at discount when bundled and purchased in large groups

so that's not really hard to understand


example, If I purchase , lets say, a personal pizza for one, its about 4 bucks

but I can purchase a LARGE pizza that feeds 6 for about 9 bucks,, or 1.50 for each of us,,,

So of the 30 million that didn't have healthcare before the ACA 5 million have signed up.
Of that 5 million around 20% have yet to pay for their plan.

Hmmmm
30 million ( uninsured pre ACA) minus 5 million (# who have "enrolled" in ACA) equals 25 million (still uninsured) plus 6 million (policies cancelled post ACA roll out) equals 31 million uninsured. Oh wait add the 1 million out of the five who still have yet to pay equals 32 million uninsured.
So as of the end of FEB there is a net gain of 2 million uninsured

Where are the 30 some odd million who the ACA is supposed to insure?

gee sojourn

seems like neither side is offering any STATS on the details, cause they once again don't reinforce their agenda

cancellations happen,, with or without reform , the REASON behind them cant really be proven

people also get coverage, with or without reform, and those reasons cant be proven

but we can always claim that the millions who are cancelled are only because of reform, and the 'honest' insurance companies can also scapegoat reform instead of admitting they are too greedy to meet the new standards

and the public picks their poison

is it the blame of greedy insurance CORPORATIONS not wanting to cut into profits by meeting the honest attempt at higher standards?

or is it the blame of the communist government for putting those honest insurance companies under such an unfair strain as to 'force' them no option but to cancel policies,,

??? we might never know,,,

but time will work it out and long term progress or decline will make the answer much clearer,,,

On Owebamacare enrollment, insurers don't share government's optimism

The Obama administration'��s most recent tally of enrollees under the Affordable Care Act highlights the wildly divergent views of the program's success status. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) touted figures released Wednesday as reason for optimism, while others see only warning signs amid the statistics.

According to HHS, enrollment in the Health Insurance Marketplace shot up by 53 percent in January over the previous three months and 27 percent of last months enrollees were the highly desirable young adults ages 18-34, who are vital to making the system financially viable. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius issued a press release stating that signups among young adults, nicknamed “young invincibles in insurance industry jargon, was up 3 percentage points from October through December and outpaced all other age groups combined.

“Nearly 3.3 million people enrolled in the Health Insurance Marketplace plans by Feb. 1, 2014�with January alone accounting for 1.1 million plan selections in state and federal marketplaces, read a press statement issued Wednesday by Sebelius.

But the rosy portrait shatters under an alternate interpretation by insurance industry representative Robert Laszewski of Health Policy and Strategy Associates.

Obama's arbitrary health care flexibility. They made a big deal about the age results, said Laszewski after reviewing the HHS numbers. “But the greater challenge for them is the low number of people enrolling. There is no way you can get a good spread of risk with such a small percentage of the total eligible signing up.

CBS News also received a guarded analysis from a source involved in implementation of the Affordable Care Act who supports Obamacare.

The source said the bump of young invincibles to 27 percent of January enrollees was “progress, but added they neglect to point out that they need roughly 40 percent to help achieve a balanced risk pool necessary under a successful business model.

“3.3 million people is still a relatively small proportion of the population that ��should be interested," added the source, who is not authorized to speak on behalf of the administration and does not wish to be identified.

Laszewski has a strikingly similar analysis and says HHS��s reported number of 3.3 million enrollees exaggerates the true picture. He says that to calculate a more accurate number, one must subtract about 20 percent of the enrollees because they haven'��t paid (and so aren't technically insured); as well as about two-thirds of the enrollees because they were already insured prior to signing up for Obamacare.

“Looking at the total of 3.3 million, netting out the non-pays, and listening to the anecdotal carrier reports, it doesn't look like we have more than a fraction--certainly something less than 10%-- of the previously uninsured, said Laszewski.

The Obama administration insists the January figures reflect positive movement in the troubled initiative.

��These encouraging trends show that more Americans are enrolling every day, and finding quality, affordable coverage in the Marketplace, said Sebelius.

Laszewski gave an example of why he disagrees. California and Washington State accounted for about a fourth of the January total with a combined 817,000 enrollees. “However, those two states canceled much more than that as of January 1,” said Laszewski.

The real question should be: "What good is expensive insurance that no Dr or hospital is willing to accept because they can't afford to and stay in business?"

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soufie
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Thank you soufie.

You are so polite and pleasant.