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WASHINGTON (AP) — Segregation is making a comeback in U.S. schools.
Progress toward integrated classrooms has largely been rolled back since the Supreme Court issued its landmark Brown v. Topeka Board of Education decision 60 years ago, according to a report released Thursday by the Civil Rights Project at UCLA. Blacks are now seeing more school segregation than they have in decades, and more than half of Latino students are now attending schools that are majority Latino. In New York, California and Texas, more than half of Latino students are enrolled in schools that are 90 percent minority or more, the report found. In New York, Illinois, Maryland and Michigan, more than half of black students attend schools where 90 percent or more are minority. Project co-director Gary Orfield, author of the "Brown at 60" report, said the changes are troubling because they show some minority students receive poorer educations than white students and Asian students, who tend to be in middle-class schools. The report urged, among other things, deeper research into housing segregation, which is a "fundamental cause of separate-and-unequal schooling." Although segregation is more prevalent in central cities of the largest metropolitan areas, it's also in the suburbs. "Neighborhood schools, when we go back to them, as we have, produce middle-class schools for whites and Asians and segregated high-poverty schools for blacks and Latinos," Orfield said. Housing discrimination — stopping or discouraging minorities from moving to majority-white areas — also plays a role in school segregation and "that's been a harder nut to crack," said Sherrilyn Ifill, president of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, which argued the Brown case in front of the Supreme Court. School performance can be entwined with poverty, too. "These are the schools that tend to have fewer resources, tend to have teachers with less experience, tend to have people who are teaching outside their area of specialty, and it also denies the opportunities, the contacts and the networking that occur when you're with people from different socio-economic backgrounds," said Dennis Parker, director of the American Civil Liberties Union Racial Justice Program. For students like Diamond McCullough, 17, a senior at Walter H. Dyett High School on Chicago's South Side, the disparities are real. Her school is made up almost entirely of African-American students. She said her school doesn't offer physical education classes or art, and Advanced Placement classes are only available online. McCullough noted the school is named after a famous musician, Walter H. Dyett, and the school no longer has a band class. "We don't have a music chorus class," she said. "We barely have the basic classes we need." Aquila Griffin, 18, said she transferred from Dyett to another high school 20 blocks away because she needed biology and world studies to graduate. The two traveled to Washington this week for a labor-sponsored rally outside the U.S. Supreme Court in support of public education. "Many blame the schools for failing, or teachers, but they never blame the bad policies put in place in schools," Griffin said. "A teacher can only teach to a certain extent with the resources. It's the policies put in place that's failing the students." On May 17, 1954, the Supreme Court ruled: "In the field of public education, the doctrine of 'separate but equal' has no place. Separate educational facilities are inherently unequal." In the aftermath of that ruling, scores of cities and towns implemented desegregation plans that often included mandatory busing, in some cases triggering an exodus of whites to private schools or less diverse communities. John Rury, an education professor at the University of Kansas, said the work at UCLA has revealed how many of the advances in desegregating schools made after the Brown ruling have stopped — or been reversed. While racial discrimination has been a factor, other forces are in play, Rury said. Educated parents with the means to move have flocked to districts and schools with the best reputations for decades, said Rury, who has studied the phenomenon in the Kansas City region. In the South, many school districts encompass both a city and the surrounding area, he said. That has led to better-integrated schools. Still, around the country, only 23 percent of black students attended white-majority schools in 2011. That's the lowest number since 1968. Advocates point to rulings by federal courts that have freed many of the schools from Brown-related desegregation orders since the 1990s. That, they say, is leading the country back toward more segregated schools. At the same time, there's been a demographic change in public schools. Between 1968 and 2011, the number of Hispanic students in the public school system rose 495 percent, while the number of black students increased by 19 percent and the number of white students dropped 28 percent, according to the Education Department. Today, many Hispanic students are attending segregated schools, particularly in the West. Chuck Brothers, a retired social studies and psychology teacher who taught in a low-income school in St. Lucie County, Florida, said the nation trips over how to solve these issues. "I think we haven't taken the time, and it's across the board, politically and socially, to really understand what we really do want out of education and how are we really going to make it available for everyone," Brothers said. http://news.yahoo.com/segregation-gains-ground-60-years-brown-070924925--politics.html |
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Uh, could the racial make-up of a school's student body be the result of the racial make-up of the district that the school serves?
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Uh, could the racial make-up of a school's student body be the result of the racial make-up of the district that the school serves? there is certainly going to be situations where that is the factor, however I don't believe it can really account for why , in a country where there is a 6 to 1 population of whites and blacks,, there are only 1 in 5 black students that are in a majority white school. and even that wouldn't be AS MUCH the issue if the difference in resources and policy didn't also exist. |
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Although segregation is more prevalent in central cities of the largest metropolitan areas, it's also in the suburbs. "Neighborhood schools, when we go back to them, as we have, produce middle-class schools for whites and Asians and segregated high-poverty schools for blacks and Latinos," Orfield said. Housing discrimination — stopping or discouraging minorities from moving to majority-white areas — also plays a role in school segregation and "that's been a harder nut to crack," said Sherrilyn Ifill, president of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, which argued the Brown case in front of the Supreme Court. More total BS and racial propaganda. When one looks at the poor areas around most cities, both major and minor, you find areas that have turned into pure trashed ghettos with the majority of the inhabitants being black. Yet there are also other poor areas, largely of Hispanic origin that can be seen to be poor but not trashed. However, when you look in most what used to be middle classed neighborhoods, you find residents of every ethnicity imaginable. You even find middle class neighborhoods with an above average population of blacks in respect to their ratio of the population of the area. But what is always apparent is not the mixed races but that the absence of the ghetto. Why, well because all these people have taken responsibility for themselves. They have done what was necessary to provide for their families. They have shaken off the slave mentality and joined the human race. It is only those that refuse to do so, the entitlement crowd that believes that others owe them their existence, they shouldn't be bothered. |
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Uh, could the racial make-up of a school's student body be the result of the racial make-up of the district that the school serves? But the entitlement crowd don't want that, they want someone else to spend additional monies stolen by the government to bus kids all over town. That was the whole premise behind the forced busing. But no problem, Agenda 21 will guarantee perfect little slaves of them all and that all will be taught to the level of the least capable, outcome based education. And they will all be good little citizens what with literature being replace by government publications by the EPA, FDA and other alphabet soup agencies. They will also be taught how to report their parents should they not recycle correctly or turn their air conditioners on at unauthorized times or below authorized levels. |
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Uh, could the racial make-up of a school's student body be the result of the racial make-up of the district that the school serves? there is certainly going to be situations where that is the factor, however I don't believe it can really account for why , in a country where there is a 6 to 1 population of whites and blacks,, there are only 1 in 5 black students that are in a majority white school. and even that wouldn't be AS MUCH the issue if the difference in resources and policy didn't also exist. Let's see, nothing to do with entitlements, would it? So should we punish the blacks that have moved up or do we punish others and move them down? Well I propose that we make everything equal. Totally abolish departments of education, boards of education, public schooling and any other government function that has to do with education. Put it back into the parents hands. In other words, get your hands out of my pocket, I could care less if your kids are educated. I have no problem taking care of my own and will insure they learn everything within their capacity to learn which even where I to do a poor job would still exceed the public school systems best effort. |
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segregation caused by entitlements,, interesting theory,,,,
considering said 'entitlements' were also available during the years that segregation was DECREASING shrugs all things will never be completely 'equal', but,, we can always strive to be MORE equal , MORE Just, just like we strive to have FEWER flaws,,,even though we will never be flawless, |
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segregation caused by entitlements,, interesting theory,,,, Not a theory at all, just some twist that you are trying to impose. But then it couldn't be you, could it? Always insinuate an incomplete thought and then deny that it meant anything. Never a concrete statement, just innuendo and it doesn't mean anything. considering said 'entitlements' were also available during the years that segregation was DECREASING shrugs all things will never be completely 'equal', but,, we can always strive to be MORE equal , MORE Just, just like we strive to have FEWER flaws,,,even though we will never be flawless, And decreased segregation was because of entitlements, the strain of increased taxation to support a large busing expense or to spend the existing money on increased entitlements. But what has really happened is that indoctrination is less required in the poor neighborhoods, they already concede to government slavery. There has been increased levels of indoctrination in the middle class neighborhoods to level the playing field and establish equality. To forget the hopeless and enslave the others, that grand theory of equality and entitlements for all. From each by his ability and to each by their needs, the creed of the entitlement crowd with the ideal case are the no abilities that always have the largest need. Always with an excuse why they can't do and always an excuse why they are entitled. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. -H. L. Mencken And to think from the plain folks, we didn't stop there but decided to go one better and the entitlement crowd showed us how. Each party steals so many articles of faith from the other, and the candidates spend so much time making each other's speeches, that by the time election day is past there is nothing much to do save turn the sitting rascals out and let a new gang in. -H. L. Mencken What men value in this world is not rights but privileges. -H. L. Mencken |
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sooo,,,, the question was asked whether increased segregation had to do with entitlements
and the statement was made that decreased segregation had to do with entitlement is there ANY issue in American culture or politics that cant be blamed on this 'entitlement' problem? and where did the change in 'indocrtinization' happen, that changed a trend from increasing integration to increasing segregation? |
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sooo,,,, the question was asked whether increased segregation had to do with entitlements And the answer is: yes! and the statement was made that decreased segregation had to do with entitlement And the answer is: yes! is there ANY issue in American culture or politics that cant be blamed on this 'entitlement' problem? The total destruction of entitlements. You don't earn it, you don't get it unless as a voluntary act of charity. and where did the change in 'indocrtinization' happen, that changed a trend from increasing integration to increasing segregation? When they ran out of money for so many school buses and everyone went back to going to the school closest to them. But of course you know all of this, just looking for other excuses? |
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so, when they had money to bus kids, due to them feeling 'entitled' to adequate and competitive education,,,,it decreased segregation
but when they started running out of the money to bus the kids , due to their parents feeling 'entitled' to give them an adequate and competitive education, it increased segregation again yes, I agree, those dang 'entitled' parents who want their kids to get decent education are all to blame, and not the educational system that made 'excuses' as to why the poorer weren't 'entitled' to anything but the inferior until they 'earned it' got it now,,,,(posted for effect and not because I didn't really get it all along) only 'entitled' to what you 'earn' and someone else should be free to decide how much value your work has to them and therefore what you are 'entitled' to , regardless of whether you produce or work hard or not,, slaveowners would be so proud,,, |
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so, when they had money to bus kids, due to them feeling 'entitled' to adequate and competitive education,,,,it decreased segregation but when they started running out of the money to bus the kids , due to their parents feeling 'entitled' to give them an adequate and competitive education, it increased segregation again yes, I agree, those dang 'entitled' parents who want their kids to get decent education are all to blame, and not the educational system that made 'excuses' as to why the poorer weren't 'entitled' to anything but the inferior until they 'earned it' got it now,,,,(posted for effect and not because I didn't really get it all along) only 'entitled' to what you 'earn' and someone else should be free to decide how much value your work has to them and therefore what you are 'entitled' to , regardless of whether you produce or work hard or not,, slaveowners would be so proud,,, You can spin your bull all you want but it doesn't change matters. You can pretend and post your rhetoric but I lived through these times. We already had naturally integrated schools based on school districts. Then it was declared that a "racial" balance needed to be imposed. Then kids where bused all over the place to meet quotas, especially black kids. A large majority of the black kids that went to my high school were bused right past the school across town to meet quotas and the same for white kids in other parts of the town. A divide and conquer tactic, imagine the kids in a neighborhood rooting for their school and those schools are divided, great for unity. It had nothing to do with equality, it was all about control. It's sole purpose was to negate a parents selection of buying in a neighborhood with a good school by declaring their selection was not in their control, it was at the whim of a bureaucrat. And this was all based on the entitlement of having children bused at the expense of those that could pay, an increase in taxes to meet the new expenses. And for my family, we lived on the border, the border of no buses and had to walk to school while those on the other side of this little bridge got bused. My parents got the privilege of buying school tickets for the city buses, yeah got to pay for our neighbors and had to pay our own too. And when sanity prevailed, their was no segregation, but integration of neighborhoods. A school district based on the division of population by geography. But the entitlement crowd states this results in poor education and that is not the case at all. It is not the demand to improve the education in the poor district but to drag down the education in the better district. Why is it that one district is better than the other? It can't be the curriculum, they are the same in a given area, then it must be other factors. What would be that critical factor, parents. The entitlement crowd are entitled to have their kids educated while the non-entitlement parents are concerned that there kids are prepared for education. But you still have even the most basic concept wrong, yes plain wrong. You are entitled to nothing except the freedom to pursue your desires, you must catch those desires on your own. If you don't like what a job pays, don't accept, plain and simple. But that is not what you propose, you want to be paid based on your desire for the entitlement while offering no benefit justifying the pay. And try as you might to make a mockery of the truth, it does not alter that truth because in the long run without the benefit of entitlement to the governments guns, one always gets what one is worth. |
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