Topic: An informative science
Amoscarine's photo
Thu 07/03/14 04:11 PM
So what the h hell is information in physics? Shannon claude did his project at bell company in the late 1940's, and since then the quantification of energy has found many applications. But the quantification lacks outside significance. It may say how much info can be passed on a wire and give a maximum bit rate or something, but it is not quantified by more than a number. How much does a number weigh? My point is that there could be a quantity of information possible per physical unit, and it could be like written on energy, and we could be missing it. I mean is physics info based, is information really a something, or is it just a gateway or a lead up to a physics which deals with the unphysical finally. It occurs to me that there could be something along the lines of a rule that information be the same bits when seen from this vantage or another when attached to phenomenon. The other idea that information can't go faster than light, via einstein, which i believe is still not proved wrong.
Since info dilates with mass and motion, that information about a speeding body is less and reduced, The amount of data per unit energy would decrease. One could add a trend that data flows from high to low on energy. Or from denser to less sparse data holding. bodies with less mass then would have lots of info if at a stand still, and less when moving, like how massless bodies go at c. or close in mediums. And of mass, perhaps mass is the set of some dynamics, the outcome of information trying to be minimized by some underlying dynamics. The mass the way it is because of how it regulates info gain or loss, that would be another way to put it. You hear about all of this stuff space going faster than light.... But can information be conveyed on this? There is also the point that even Einsteins Equations are not background independent like they had striven to be. Granted, the striving is fodder for hope, and potential, and should not be dissed. Yet, and anyways, when a mass totality is given to a set of field equations, there is a global solution which all smaller subsections in a universe are subject to. If mass behaves and makes space groove like this, then so much of it, saying that there is a mass of an entire system, fixes the time and space in place in a certain way much like a mold for phenomenon. So everything happens in some sense according to the shape and flexibility of this mold, which affords it its great field of applicability, especially at large scales where massive energies are enough to show this dynamics. But i wonder if actual nothingness, the very void, isn't something of a prejudice itself... Why is it such that we can refer to movement through vacuum anyway and at all? In my mind, at least, it is something akin to the up/down fact that there isn't one, or poetically that Shakespeare truism that the world sees neither good or bad, but the person evaluating it does. Perhaps you've heard the idea that the uni. could be shifted two inches and none would know the differ. But i find it most palatable to picture a body out there all alone, no friends, tress, planets, not even a longing from some distant planet called home, just far removed from anything and everything. Out there like that, still to moving, what difference does it make, if the universe or the nothingness is endless, how is there any metric at all? If this void is considered as present in the normal populated world we know of basically, then this movement, saying this moved here or there, sticks out like a sore thumb. If a view is to be truly comprehensive, it must learn how to use the void as more than a backdrop, to see it as a participant. If somehow this void can become part of some conservation laws, then it might see a change. The void itself could be bent like space time is.... or be in such a way that it supports matter and mass and sound and energy- the reverberations of creation. I think a view with info in it will unlock new roads for physics somehow or another. Some relativity, the trekking of its path, is still to do.

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Thu 07/03/14 04:42 PM
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Fri 07/04/14 10:24 AM

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So what the h hell is information in physics? Shannon claude did his project at bell company in the late 1940's, and since then the quantification of energy has found many applications. But the quantification lacks outside significance. It may say how much info can be passed on a wire and give a maximum bit rate or something, but it is not quantified by more than a number. How much does a number weigh? My point is that there could be a quantity of information possible per physical unit, and it could be like written on energy, and we could be missing it. I mean is physics info based, is information really a something, or is it just a gateway or a lead up to a physics which deals with the unphysical finally. It occurs to me that there could be something along the lines of a rule that information be the same bits when seen from this vantage or another when attached to phenomenon. The other idea that information can't go faster than light, via einstein, which i believe is still not proved wrong.

Since info dilates with mass and motion, that information about a speeding body is less and reduced, The amount of data per unit energy would decrease. One could add a trend that data flows from high to low on energy. Or from denser to less sparse data holding. bodies with less mass then would have lots of info if at a stand still, and less when moving, like how massless bodies go at c. or close in mediums. And of mass, perhaps mass is the set of some dynamics, the outcome of information trying to be minimized by some underlying dynamics. The mass the way it is because of how it regulates info gain or loss, that would be another way to put it. You hear about all of this stuff space going faster than light....

But can information be conveyed on this? There is also the point that even Einsteins Equations are not background independent like they had striven to be. Granted, the striving is fodder for hope, and potential, and should not be dissed. Yet, and anyways, when a mass totality is given to a set of field equations, there is a global solution which all smaller subsections in a universe are subject to. If mass behaves and makes space groove like this, then so much of it, saying that there is a mass of an entire system, fixes the time and space in place in a certain way much like a mold for phenomenon. So everything happens in some sense according to the shape and flexibility of this mold, which affords it its great field of applicability, especially at large scales where massive energies are enough to show this dynamics. But i wonder if actual nothingness, the very void, isn't something of a prejudice itself.

Why is it such that we can refer to movement through vacuum anyway and at all? In my mind, at least, it is something akin to the up/down fact that there isn't one, or poetically that Shakespeare truism that the world sees neither good or bad, but the person evaluating it does. Perhaps you've heard the idea that the uni. could be shifted two inches and none would know the differ. But i find it most palatable to picture a body out there all alone, no friends, tress, planets, not even a longing from some distant planet called home, just far removed from anything and everything. Out there like that, still to moving, what difference does it make, if the universe or the nothingness is endless, how is there any metric at all? If this void is considered as present in the normal populated world we know of basically, then this movement, saying this moved here or there, sticks out like a sore thumb.

If a view is to be truly comprehensive, it must learn how to use the void as more than a backdrop, to see it as a participant. If somehow this void can become part of some conservation laws, then it might see a change. The void itself could be bent like space time is.... or be in such a way that it supports matter and mass and sound and energy- the reverberations of creation. I think a view with info in it will unlock new roads for physics somehow or another. Some relativity, the trekking of its path, is still to do.

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Fri 07/04/14 10:24 AM
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Mon 07/07/14 07:20 PM
A view which uses info as a non physical component