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Topic: Top Psychiatrist Obama Reckless, Losing It
metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Tue 11/11/14 04:26 PM Edited by metalwing on Tue 11/11/14 05:02 PM
Here is the story about millions being spent to shield Obama. Some of the story is known to be true. Some of it may be false. In any case, here is the story. "Researchers have discovered that Obama's autobiographical books are little more than PR stunts, as they have little to do with the actual events of his life. The fact is we know less about President Obama than perhaps any other president in American history and much of this is due to actual efforts to hide his record. This should concern all Americans. A nation-wide network of researchers has sprung up to attempt to fill in the blanks, but at every opportunity Obama's high-priced lawyers have built walls around various records or simply made them disappear. It is estimated that Obama's legal team has now spent well over $1.4 million dollars blocking access to documents every American should have access to. The question is why would he spend so much money to do this? The president who campaigned for a more 'open government' and 'full disclosure' will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College records' he will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii. What is he hiding? Well, for starters, some of these records will shed light on his citizenship and birth. For example, Obama's application to Punahou School 'now mysteriously missing' would likely contain a birth certificate. And, according to attorney Gary Kreep, "his Occidental College records are important as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student." Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name "Barry Soetoro" while attending Occidental. Kreep has filed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility to be president and as part of his lawsuit he requested Obama's records from Occidental. However, Obama's lawyers quickly moved to stop Occidental from honoring this request. Furthermore, now that at least three document authentication experts have declared the scanned 'Certificate of Live Birth' Obama's campaign team gave to a pro-Obama website to be an obvious phony; we know that he is hiding something here as well. Over 49 separate law suits have been filed on the eligibility/birth certificate issue alone, with several of the suits making it all the way the United States Supreme Court, only to be denied a full hearing. What's more, there are questions about how he paid for his Harvard Law School education since, despite a claim by Michele Obama, no one has produced any evidence that he received student loans. The Obamas will not release any student loan details despite repeated requests from the Chicago Tribune. However, it appears that his Harvard education may have been paid for by a foreign source. Khalid Al-Mansour, an advisor to Saudi prince Al-Walid bin Talah, told Manhattan Borough president, Percy Sutton, that he was raising money for Obama's Harvard tuition. Incidentally, Prince Tala is the largest donor to CAIR, a Muslim group declared by the U.S. Government in 2007 as an unindicted co-conspirator in a terrorist financing trial. At least three of CAIR's leaders have been indicted for terrorist activities. Al-Mansour's admission opens up speculation as to whether Muslim interests have assisted Obama's career in the hope he would eventually be in a position someday to promote their interests. More recently, it was discovered that Obama's Selective Service card may have been doctored. Federal law requires all American males to register for the Selective Service (the draft) in case a major war broke out. Blogger Debbie Schlussel has discovered solid evidence that Obama's Selective Service registration form was submitted not when he was younger as required, but rather in 2008 and then altered to look older. Indeed, the forgers forgot to alter the 'Document Location Number' which shows that it is clearly a 2008 form. This is fraud and it's a felony and Schlussel's allegations are backed up by Stephen Coffman, a former high-ranking Federal agent. Moreover, the document shows a September 4th, 1980 date and the location of the transaction as Hawaii, but at that time Obama was thousands of miles away attending Occidental College in Los Angeles. The real reason why Obama probably did not submit this form as a teenager is that he assumed his Kenyan or Indonesian citizenship exempted him from this requirement. But clearly, as he grew older and entered politics, he saw that any documents revealing a foreign birth ' Selective Service registration, birth certificate, school applications, etc ' would be problematic if he ran for the presidency. Thus, it is not a coincidence that every document which contains information about his birth or citizenship is either missing, sealed, or has been altered. Indeed, everywhere one looks into Obama's background, we find sealed records, scrubbed websites, altered documents, deception and unanswered questions. Can anyone imagine for a second if John McCain or George Bush had blocked access to his school, medical, and birth records? It would have been headlines in their case, but as with everything else concerning Obama, the media has given him a pass on this. Of all these marvels, the latest mystery and probably most perplexing is that of Obama's social security number. It appears that Obama has multiple identities in term of possessing numerous social security numbers. Orly Taitz, an attorney who has filed numerous suits against Obama regarding his eligibility to serve as president, appears to have been the first to discover this. In her suit, representing a number of military officers who are refusing to serve under an ineligible commander in chief, she hired private investigator Neil Sankey to conduct research on Obama's prior addresses and Social Society numbers. Using Intelius, Lexis Nexis, Choice Point and other public records, Sankey found around 25 Social Security numbers connected with Obama's name. However, it may not be as many as 25, since Sankey also searched using closely related names such as: 'Barak Obama,' 'Batock Obama,' 'Barok Obama,' and 'Barrack Obama.' There may very well be some Kenyans living in America with the same last name and a similar first name. In any case, I will exclude these records for the purpose of this research and focus only on names spelled exactly like his name. Moreover, we can verify many of the Social Security numbers as valid since they're connected to addresses at which we know Obama resided. Needless to say, there are also a slew of address and social security numbers connected to addresses in states that Obama has no known connection to. In Obama's home state, Illinois, Sankey tracked down 16 different addresses for a Barack Obama or a Barack H. Obama, of which all are addresses he was known to have lived at. Two Social Security numbers appear for these addresses, one beginning with 042 and one starting 364. In California, where Obama attended Occidental College, there are six addresses listed for him, all within easy driving distance of the college. However, there are three Social Security numbers connected to these addresses, 537 and two others, each beginning with 999. There are no addresses listed in New York where he attended Columbia University, but there is one listed for him in nearby Jackson, NJ, with a Social Security number beginning with 485. 713 Hart Senate Office Building In Massachusetts 'where Obama attended Harvard Law School' we find three addresses, all using the 042 Social Security number. After Obama was elected to the United States Senate in 2005, he moved into an apartment at 300 Massachusetts Ave NW; the Social Security number attached to that address is the 042 one. Yet, three years later, Obama used a different Social Security number for an address listed as: 713 Hart Senate Office Building. This was the address of his United States Senate office. This Social Security number began with 282 and was verified by the government in 2008. This mystery grows even stranger as other addresses and Social Security numbers for Barack Obama appear in a dozen other states not known to be connected to him. Again, I am excluding those records names not spelled exactly like his name. Tennessee, one address with a Social Security number beginning with 427 Colorado, one address, with a Social Security number beginning with 456. Utah, two addresses, with two Social Security numbers beginning with 901 and 799. Missouri has one address and one Social Security number beginning with 999. Florida has two addresses listed for his him, three if you count one listed as “Barry Obama.” One is connected to a Social Security number beginning with 762. In Georgia there are three addresses listed for him, all with different Social Security numbers: 579, 420, and 423. In Texas there are four different addresses listed for him, one is connected to Social Security number 675. There are two addresses listed for Barack Obama in Oregon and one address listed for him in the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, South Carolina, and Pennsylvania. All told, there are 49 addresses and 16 different Social Security numbers listed for a person whose name is spelled 'Barack Obama.' In some cases, the middle initial 'H' is listed. If you were to expand the search to include closely related names such as: 'Barac,' 'Barak,' and 'Barrack' Obama, you would find more than a dozen additional addresses and Social Security numbers. Finally, the one Social Security number Obama most frequently used, the one beginning with 042, is a number issued in Connecticut sometime during 1976-1977, yet there is no record of Obama ever living or working in Connecticut. Indeed, during this time period Obama would have been 15-16 years old and living in Hawaii at the time. Nevertheless, all this mystery surrounding Obama appears to be a generational thing. Researchers have discovered nearly a dozen aliases, at least two different Social Security numbers, and upwards of over 99 separate addresses for Ann Dunham, his mother. We do know she worked for the ultra liberal Ford Foundation but we also know she may have earned some income from pornographic poses, as evidenced by photos recently discovered by some researcher show embarrassing. The only thing researchers are able to find out about Obama's mother is the fact she made porn. I'm sure that's a first for presidential mothers. But we also know that Obama's mother and grandparents associated with Communist Party leaders such as Frank Marshall Davis, a man who, according to Obama's book, Dreams from my Father, was his main mentor during much of his Hawaiian boyhood (although Obama tried to disguise his identity in his book). During the Cold War, Davis was named by congressional investigators as a key member of a secretive pro-Soviet networked that existed in Hawaii at that time. The lack of documents regarding Obama also extends to his mother and to his grandparents. Indeed, researchers have been unable to find marriage licenses for his mother's two marriages, assuming she was ever legally married. Ditto goes for the marriage license for Ann's parents. They cannot find birth certificates for her, her parents, or for even for her grandparents. Even more so, despite Obama's boast of his grandfather's military service, there's no record of that either. For reasons no one knows, much of Obama's life, his mother's life and his grandparent's life has been erased from the records as if they never existed. But why would someone obtain so many Social Security numbers? According to investigators, those who create additional Social Society numbers are typically engaged in criminal activities such as Social Security fraud, tax fraud, real estate fraud, campaign contributions fraud, voter fraud and so on. While the private investigator who compiled this list says multiple social security numbers does not automatically prove there's criminal activity involved, he states that "having said that, I have personally experienced many, many cases where such information has led to subsequent exposure of fraud, deception, money laundering and other crimes." What is interesting to note is that Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people. It is clear that more research needs to be done on this issue. The Western Center for Journalism" ( http://www.westernjournalism.com) is inviting readers to join the search for the truth. If you have any information about any of the addresses listed, they would love to hear from you. To find a complete list of all the addresses and Social Security numbers listed in the public record for Obama and family, please go to the Western Center for Journalism.

mrld_ii Joined Thu 05/15/14 Posts: 1410	Tue 11/11/14 04:47 PM
~sigh~ Hotlinked to More Debunking of Just About Every Single Wild Accusation Ever Made About Obama, Complete with Hotlinks Contained Within ~double sigh~ Just how incompetent and ineffective ARE the Republicans/Conservatives who have now had over 6 years to provide the proof-positive for ANY of these wild claims which WOULD be grounds for stripping President Obama from office? THAT, right there - in and of itself - should be ALL the proof necessary for ANYone with at least two working brain cells which ARE still on speaking terms with one another that these are simply wild claims, made from wild minds, who are wildly screaming until - and because - they're red in the face.

davidben1 Joined Wed 12/05/07 Posts: 6120	Tue 11/11/14 04:58 PM
do politicians lie... do lobbyist lie... does wall street lie... do psychiatrists lie... do lawyers lie... do bankers lie... do commentators lie... do judges lie... do presidents lie... have not all occupations in life been found to lie... i wonder why so many then think they know the truth.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Tue 11/11/14 05:00 PM
~sigh~ Hotlinked to More Debunking of Just About Every Single Wild Accusation Ever Made About Obama, Complete with Hotlinks Contained Within ~double sigh~ Just how incompetent and ineffective ARE the Republicans/Conservatives who have now had over 6 years to provide the proof-positive for ANY of these wild claims which WOULD be grounds for stripping President Obama from office? THAT, right there - in and of itself - should be ALL the proof necessary for ANYone with at least two working brain cells which ARE still on speaking terms with one another that these are simply wild claims, made from wild minds, who are wildly screaming until - and because - they're red in the face. I just posted the story in case someone was interested to know what the story contained. Some of the radical contacts are indeed radical contacts. However, I checked your "debunking" sources out of curiosity and the final line by Obama's college roommate was ... "Based on my six years of knowing him in college and the years immediately after, I can vouch that Barack is a man of character, and I trust him to do the right things when he is President." I wonder if asked now, if he would say the same thing?

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 05:19 PM
official wars means the same as under any other president so do the employment numbers, which have been kept for decades alongside outsourcing and automation and minimum wage debates as to health care disasters, I know the SAME STORIES, personally, well before reform happened, but its an easy scapegoat now that its here,,, <shrug> Not really, but great twist. Not really, hiding the numbers game started by GW, perfected by Odumbo. According to just about every economist not on the governments payroll, the real number is closer to 20%. Isn't it a wonder how when you turn someone hopeless and all the benefits expire, they are no longer considered unemployed? And again, not really, just a misconceived perception. How could you possibly know things that are just manifesting due to Odumbocare? It is a phenomena that has never happened before outside of fraud where people go to jail. Now the insurance companies can commit fraud but they have a license so it's no longer illegal. So just how can you claim you have experienced this in the past?

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 05:24 PM
...You will defend the Fuhrer to the end. And, you will attack President Obama TO no end. Reads like it all balances out, IN the end. Not really, figure it out, that is if you can.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 05:33 PM
A direct quote from Dr. Krauthammer (9/15/14): "I've foresworn psychiatry simply because you really can't do it at a distance." http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/15/krauthammer_obama_is_clearly_a_narcissist_i_dont_think_he_can_be_reached.html Dr. Krauthammer appears to believe the Hippocratic oath is all about hypocrisy. And so, from that same interview: CK: Oh, you’re not young enough. Actually, I probably got it second-hand, for all I know. But that’s a real abuse. Psychiatrists, doctors and others who use their science, or even the global warming folks, you know, you have your expertise, and some people just use it to try to bludgeon other people with their authority. So I decided when I left psychiatry never to use my authority. But let me just say as a layman, without invoking any expertise, Obama is clearly a narcissist in the non-scientific use of the word. He is so self-involved, you see it from his rise. Here’s a man who says I don’t to theater, you know, I don’t do that. Well, his whole run in 2008 was theater, including the Roman, the Greek columns that he had around him at his speech at the convention in Denver. So I think he’s extremely self-involved. He sees himself in very world historical terms, which means A) because he’s an amateur, he doesn’t know very much, and B) because he’s a narcissist, he doesn’t listen. So what's your point?

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 05:40 PM
I have no Fuhrer or Man who is a God,, that's why my panties don't get in a bunch over anyones errors,,,,Im not expecting perfection,,,,and I have yet to find it in any person(let alone any president, politician,,etc,,) however, as is proven in this thread, there is an IMPLICATION when one is introduced as a psychiatrist that their words about mental health are a 'diagnosis' rather than an opinion or else there would be no reason to mention the career path of the speaker,,,, So let me get this straight, one's training only counts when? When convenient to a liberal point but not when against the liberal point? Is it that when someone knows someone that knows someone that knows someone with specialty training is an expert but if they are the one with the actual training and expertise, then their analysis is but an uninformed opinion?

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 05:53 PM
You will defend the Fuhrer to the end. Really? I just think Odumbo is a psychopath with sociopathic tendencies. And I say this as a person from planet earth, being of blood and flesh operating as a sovereign individual on the land of the republic of these united States. The land where my forefathers declared, "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." that I may have this freedom. And I really don't believe he is Hitler or Stalin, he isn't that intelligent to figure it out. He is a miserable failure that has totally messed up his master's plans. But the big question is if this narcissistic psychopath will start WWIII.

mrld_ii Joined Thu 05/15/14 Posts: 1410	Tue 11/11/14 05:53 PM
I just posted the story in case someone was interested to know what the story contained. Some of the radical contacts are indeed radical contacts. However, I checked your "debunking" sources out of curiosity and the final line by Obama's college roommate was ... "Based on my six years of knowing him in college and the years immediately after, I can vouch that Barack is a man of character, and I trust him to do the right things when he is President." I wonder if asked now, if he would say the same thing? What, exactly, has President Obama done that is "wrong"?!? What, exactly, has President Obama done that is "impeachable"?!? Mind you...there is a HUGE difference between "wrong" and "I, personally, don't care for his politics and policies." There is an even bigger difference between "impeachable" and "I, personally, don't care for his politics and policies." Oh, and by the way, as of 2012, his roommate Phil Boerner still spoke very highly of him. http://www.kcra.com/politics/Meet-President-Obama-s-college-roommate/16484942 But, WTF does HE know...he just personally knows the man...and, apparently has no problem with the fact that Obama's skin is a darker hue than his own.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 06:01 PM
LMAO two (official) wars to none doubling of unemployment to reducing it 25% privatized exploitive medicine to healthcare reform investing manpower and money into finding BIN LADEN to BIN LADEN DEAD yeah, I see how he is so much worse not to mention having the added issues of a national medical scare(ebola) to deal with AND fringe extremist groups popping up that SADDAM somehow was managing to keep at bay before we started a war,,,,lol yeah,, I see what you mean about axes to grind,,,,even if its mostly the irony that I see I do see it Really, now let's see, the Odumbo claim to fame. And by the way he was much more verbose on all his accomplishments during his speech after that "whooping" he got at the polls. Two 'official' wars compared to acts of war against too many countries to name, the most current being Syria. You know, the one that was blocked by the people but now it's ok because their is a new fear - "ISIS". They cut off a couple of heads, we bomb a couple of nations. But what's a few million dead amongst friends? Unemployment, you mean that thing this is around 20% in reality but if you don't count certain things it really looks good? Or would it be all those middle class jobs that were lost and shipped outside the boarders to be replaced by flipping burgers. And imagine, now there needs to be an increase in wages because one can't live on the current fare. Yep, those new automated machines sure do look neat and don't ask for breaks or raises. Imagine that. And now Odumbocare, an even bigger disaster than even the red team imagined. Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges Top Hospitals Opt Out of Obamacare Doctors Begin To Refuse Obamacare Patients Obamacare "Beneficiary:" I've Been Rejected by 96 Doctors So Far So writes Danielle Kimberly in Ebony, as she discovers for herself what conservatives meant when we repeatedly warned that obtaining health coverage is not the same thing as securing healthcare: How Obamacare Leaves Some People Without Doctors "I'm paying $500 a month and every doctor I'm calling is saying, 'No, I can't see you,'" she said. "I feel like a second-class citizen." This could go on for quite some time but I believe the point is made, Odumbocare is one of the largest disasters outside the Federal Reserve ever to hit this country. This is a tremendous strain on the middle class, spending a considerable amount on a monthly basis for medical insurance just to find out they have no health or medical care. As to Bin Laden, yes he is dead but nothing to do with Odumbo. I am paying $400.00 a month and my take home pay a month is 1,500 if I'm lucky and on top of that I have a $3,500 deductible where before I was paying $60.00 a month with a $1,200 deductible... Obama's dangerous and has hurt more people then he has helped. Not to mention let the most dangerous terrorist organization in the world come to power, one even Al Qaeda is actually scared of. But the question is, do you have a doctor? And will you have a doctor in the future? 214,000 doctors not accepting Odumbocare is about 25%. It is good that you recognize what is going on with the government. Now, if you could only understand that the red team is just more of the same. The only way that things keep staying the same is their concerted effort to convince people they are different. In that context, all of them are dangerous.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 06:06 PM
Love it!!!

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 06:11 PM
The only Presidential candidate in history to spend millions and millions in legal fees to hide their past from the public. Citation to a legitimate source for this "presented-as-fact" entry? Your google doesn't work, then maybe you should try Bing or Yahoo.

fleta_n_mach Joined Tue 06/24/14 Posts: 3510	Tue 11/11/14 06:15 PM
Gee a person might construe those pics above as slanderous or maybe even libel if they were about themselves.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 06:44 PM
The only Presidential candidate in history to spend millions and millions in legal fees to hide their past from the public. Citation to a legitimate source for this "presented-as-fact" entry? The president who campaigned for a more âopen governmentâ and âfull disclosureâ will not unseal his medical records, his school records, his birth records or his passport records. He will not release his Harvard records, his Columbia College records, or his Occidental College recordsâhe will not even release his Columbia College thesis. All his legislative records from the Illinois State Senate are missing and he claims his scheduling records during those State Senate years are lost as well. In addition, no one can find his school records for the elite K-12 college prep school, Punahou School, he attended in Hawaii. Ummmm...it's simply not true. http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/ Really, people...you need to start doing all the research, and not take as gospel something that sounds good simply because you already believe it. Otherwise, you might look really foolish when insisting to others, "But it IS true...I saw it on the internet!!!" The Moon Really IS Made of Cheese!!! The World Really IS Flat!!! Women Really ARE Smarter Than Men!!! Yeah, you really should check all the sources: Obama: Where have all his records gone? In a legal action, handled largely by Gary Kreep of the U.S. Justice Foundation, officials at Occidental College were served with a demand to produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the 1980s because they could document whether he was attending as a foreign national. Kreep petitioned the college with a demand for its records concerning Obama. "The gravamen of the petition is the question as to whether United States Senator Barack Hussein Obama, of Illinois, is eligible to serve as president of the United States pursuant to the requirements for that office in the United States Constitution," he wrote. "The records sought may provide documentary evidence, and/or admissions by said defendant, as to said eligibility or lack thereof." College officials then contacted Obama's lawyers, who argued to the court that the election was over and that future concerns should be addressed to Congress. The motion stated that the records, which could reveal on what name Obama attended classes at Occidental and whether he attended on scholarship money intended for foreign students, "are of no relevance to this moot litigation." The motion also claimed the petitioners failed to serve the subpoena properly. Get your “Where’s the birth certificate?” bumper sticker here. “The subpoena directed to Occidental College should therefore be quashed. Alternatively, this court should issue an order directing that the deposition of the custodian of records of Occidental College not take place,” the firm working on Obama’s behalf stated. “The central issue in this lawsuit … is whether any Respondent had a legal duty to demand proof of natural born citizenship from Democratic Party’s nominee,” the motion said. “None of the documents sought by petitioners could possibly assist in answering this question.” A judge granted a motion to quash the subpoena. "Obama's attorneys bent over backward to block us," Kreep told WND. "Obama doesn’t want anyone to see those records. He’s trying to hide them." His efforts resulted in a threat from Obama's attorneys to seek financial sanctions against the plaintiff's lawyers. The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues Over 49 separate law suits have been filed on the eligibility/birth certificate issue alone, with several of the suits making it all the way the United States Supreme Court, only to be denied a full hearing. 49 separate law suits, that has to be expensive and all could be cleared up by simple disclosure. Just who is paying for all this?

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 06:59 PM
The only Presidential candidate in history to spend millions and millions in legal fees to hide their past from the public. Citation to a legitimate source for this "presented-as-fact" entry? good luck with that I have literally posted REFERENCES debunking some of the media rhetoric that gets repeated here and then its just dismissed because of what FACT CHECK source it is,,,lol Same old tired crap, but the facts are the facts. There have been a lot of lawsuits and all are blocked by some powerful money. Supposedly 49 suits alone just on the birth certificate.

mrld_ii Joined Thu 05/15/14 Posts: 1410	Tue 11/11/14 07:02 PM
The only Presidential candidate in history to spend millions and millions in legal fees to hide their past from the public. Citation to a legitimate source for this "presented-as-fact" entry? Your google doesn't work, then maybe you should try Bing or Yahoo. Google's working just fine; it couldn't find a single legitimate source; neither could Bing or Yahoo. Perhaps I should try "goggle", as you'd previously suggested I use to find a citation to a legitimate source for information on "Odumbocare"? By the way, I haven't been back to that thread, yet; how's your little project coming along?

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 07:05 PM
Citation to a legitimate source for this "presented-as-fact" entry? good luck with that I have literally posted REFERENCES debunking some of the media rhetoric that gets repeated here and then its just dismissed because of what FACT CHECK source it is,,,lol There does seem to be quite the double-standard when SOME people engage in these intellectual, factual discussions, doesn't there? In some instances yes, but not in the manner that you are trying to imply.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 11/11/14 07:10 PM
The only Presidential candidate in history to spend millions and millions in legal fees to hide their past from the public. Ah, another false urban legend that refuses to die. False, just what do you use to justify that? Your word? 49 suits alone on the birth certificate, many appeals on the matter, one all the way to the Supreme court which refused cert. What do you think all this costs? How about the suit on Occidental College? And how many more? What is the big secret?

mrld_ii Joined Thu 05/15/14 Posts: 1410	Tue 11/11/14 07:12 PM
The only Presidential candidate in history to spend millions and millions in legal fees to hide their past from the public. Citation to a legitimate source for this "presented-as-fact" entry? good luck with that I have literally posted REFERENCES debunking some of the media rhetoric that gets repeated here and then its just dismissed because of what FACT CHECK source it is,,,lol Same old tired crap, but the facts are the facts. There have been a lot of lawsuits and all are blocked by some powerful money. Supposedly 49 suits alone just on the birth certificate. Bolded and enlarged for you as you apparently missed its significance as it rolled off your own fingertips. Speaking of "facts", what's the scoop on this factual entity known as "Odumbocare"? Google, Bing, and Yahoo have never heard of it.