Topic: China Ascending to global leader? Hegemone?
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Sun 05/31/15 07:41 AM
By EDWARD WONG MAY 31, 2015
BEIJING — A Chinese admiral said on Sunday that Beijing could set up an air defense zone above disputed areas of the South China Sea if it felt it was facing a large enough threat, according to Chinese news media.

The creation of an air defense zone would be viewed by the United States and Southeast Asian nations as a huge provocation.

... territorial disputes in the South China Sea, where China, Taiwan and Southeast Asian nations all have competing claims to waters, islands, reefs, shoals and sandbars. In recent weeks, the United States has criticized China for island-building and land reclamation efforts on disputed reefs and atolls that were uninhabited until recently.

... China is building much faster than any other nation and has completed 2,000 acres of land reclamation in the last 18 months. Vietnam and the Philippines have built structures on some land formations, but much of that construction took place before 2002, when China and rival claimants to territory signed a nonbinding agreement to cease any provocative activity in the region.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/01/world/asia/china-says-it-could-set-up-air-defense-zone-in-south-china-sea.html?_r=0

Fragmentary news reports indicate China has begun implementing a 100 year plan, to gain global dominance.

Extending & solidifying its territorial claims is but a fragment of that.
China seems in the midst of a blue water navy buildup.
And the Chinese have bought up mining contracts all around the globe, presenting at least the risk of corning the market, particularly on strategic metals and minerals, needed by the U.S. for military jet engines, among many other things.

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Sun 05/31/15 09:23 AM
The days of a single nation being 'the' superpower economically and militarily are over.

China has so many fundamental institutional problems that they will never be able to achieve much more than they are now.

Communism does not work when it attempts to compete with the rest of the world without using:

theft of intellectual property
currency manipulation
humanitarian and environmental disregard

On a level playing field they collapse just as the soviet union did.

As of now they rely on their trade imbalances to generate revenue. Of the top 5 importers of their products 4 are on the top of their enemies list.

They are now the largest importer of oil. A very basic necessity if you are going to play lord of the high seas.

They should ask Japan how that worked out for them during WW2..








LTme's photo
Sun 05/31/15 09:46 AM
"The days of a single nation being 'the' superpower economically and militarily are over.

China has so many fundamental institutional problems that they will never be able to achieve much more than they are now." IV

a) Mao is dead. It's a new millennium.

b) It was never a question of whether China could. China ALREADY HAS!

And then, feeling exploited for its openness resulting in outsiders getting secrets like gun-powder and silk, China turned insular, resulting in progressive decline.
Counter-intuitive though it may be, China thrives when it's open, when it's engaged in the world; and China's politburo is painfully aware of this.

Hong Kong absolutely CLOBBERED the Chinese mainland. In less than a century, Western ways brought great prosperity to Hong Kong, leaving the rest of China a subsistence farm.
"Communism does not work when it attempts to compete with the rest of the world without using:

theft of intellectual property
currency manipulation
humanitarian and environmental disregard"

It sure didn't for the Soviets.
Neither does North Korean totalitarianism.

But China is quite a different story.
"On a level playing field they collapse just as the soviet union did."

Whatever.
The "playing field" may NEVER be level.

Predicting China's collapse here is laughable. The trend is clearly going in the other direction.

InvictusV's photo
Sun 05/31/15 02:43 PM

"The days of a single nation being 'the' superpower economically and militarily are over.

China has so many fundamental institutional problems that they will never be able to achieve much more than they are now." IV

a) Mao is dead. It's a new millennium.

b) It was never a question of whether China could. China ALREADY HAS!

And then, feeling exploited for its openness resulting in outsiders getting secrets like gun-powder and silk, China turned insular, resulting in progressive decline.
Counter-intuitive though it may be, China thrives when it's open, when it's engaged in the world; and China's politburo is painfully aware of this.

Hong Kong absolutely CLOBBERED the Chinese mainland. In less than a century, Western ways brought great prosperity to Hong Kong, leaving the rest of China a subsistence farm.
"Communism does not work when it attempts to compete with the rest of the world without using:

theft of intellectual property
currency manipulation
humanitarian and environmental disregard"

It sure didn't for the Soviets.
Neither does North Korean totalitarianism.

But China is quite a different story.
"On a level playing field they collapse just as the soviet union did."

Whatever.
The "playing field" may NEVER be level.

Predicting China's collapse here is laughable. The trend is clearly going in the other direction.


Since you are apparently an expert on this I suppose you have read The Hundred Year Marathon by Micheal Pillsbury.

If not then I would keep your laughing to yourself.

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Sun 05/31/15 04:32 PM
Most predictions are that China's economy would fail if the US stopped buying "stuff". Currently, China pays for it's foreign goods with US dollars. China is working hard to change that fact.

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Sun 05/31/15 06:06 PM

By EDWARD WONG MAY 31, 2015
BEIJING — A Chinese admiral said on Sunday that Beijing could set up an air defense zone above disputed areas of the South China Sea if it felt it was facing a large enough threat, according to Chinese news media.

The creation of an air defense zone would be viewed by the United States and Southeast Asian nations as a huge provocation.

... territorial disputes in the South China Sea, where China, Taiwan and Southeast Asian nations all have competing claims to waters, islands, reefs, shoals and sandbars. In recent weeks, the United States has criticized China for island-building and land reclamation efforts on disputed reefs and atolls that were uninhabited until recently.

... China is building much faster than any other nation and has completed 2,000 acres of land reclamation in the last 18 months. Vietnam and the Philippines have built structures on some land formations, but much of that construction took place before 2002, when China and rival claimants to territory signed a nonbinding agreement to cease any provocative activity in the region.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/01/world/asia/china-says-it-could-set-up-air-defense-zone-in-south-china-sea.html?_r=0

Fragmentary news reports indicate China has begun implementing a 100 year plan, to gain global dominance.

Extending & solidifying its territorial claims is but a fragment of that.
China seems in the midst of a blue water navy buildup.
And the Chinese have bought up mining contracts all around the globe, presenting at least the risk of corning the market, particularly on strategic metals and minerals, needed by the U.S. for military jet engines, among many other things.


China has long been in the process of gaining economic dominance. While many progressive economies have hit a wall, China's has been rising.

The issues of territorial claims in the South China Sea has been in existence for a few years already, and is consistently escalating. This is mainly because of the oil and mineral reserves under the shoals...And metal processing contracts go to China because of the relatively cheap labor and structural costs they can offer to process the ore. They will not have problems with resources. Foreign investors like China because of financial benefits, if not for anything else.

They may be iffy on certain quality control issues, but on sheer determination and by their ability to "make it work", ethical and diplomatic issues aside, i doubt they will stop just because of any "humanitarian" factor involved...theirs is a highly "national" mentality, compared to most others, certain issues can be easily set aside for greater good of progress, as well as necessity.

Eventually, I believe the global economy will become very much dependent on whatever China has to say, if not already.