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| Topic: The "paradigm shift": Is the 2nd Amendment obsolete? | |
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 Because of liberals with twisted logic. |
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Well, if the NRA DID say that "an armed society is a polite society," they were obviously full of crap from top to bottom. The bulk of history , AND the bulk of modern experience shows the opposite again and again.
Something that many gun rights proponents say which IS true, and that they should actually listen to themselves, is this: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." That, more than anything else, proves the "polite society" saying false. It also points clearly to the logic that if people kill people, and not guns, then it is PEOPLE who need to be regulated, and not guns. |
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"It also points clearly to the logic that if people kill people, and not guns, then it is PEOPLE who need to be regulated, and not guns." IF oh You mean like the current licensing scheme. |
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again Osaka school massacre......but that didn't get as much media attention because it doesn't fit their current narrative.
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one could even argue that the trade tower atrocitie was the cause of knives, thr hijackers didnt use guns...they used blades....therefore knives were what started this current war
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"it doesn't fit their current narrative." id Excellent. Another unsubstantiatable conspiracy theory. - the press is partial to gun stories, not blade stories (despite the fact the attacks of 09/11/01 were about the most over-covered news story of the new Millennium) - the press is partial to car crash stories - and fire stories - train derailments What a steaming heap of bovine %$#@. "hijackers didnt use guns...they used blades....therefore knives were what started this current war" id There were 4 skyjackings that day. Only 3 of four made it to target. If each of the skyjacker each had an Uzi machine pistol, there would have been one less building in DC that afternoon; I'm guessing the capitol, but perhaps the White House. Thanks again Todd! |
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it always turns into the extreme of banning all guns
I agree, those who support such a measure are illogical it would be like BANNING cars however, to have some EXPECTATIONS of people that drive is different than banning drivers,, having requirements that need to be met,, is different than BANNING driving same is true of having a gun,, to have expectation of the gun user or requirements is a different thing than BANNING,,, or did we just BAN voting, when we passed laws making it mandatory to show identification,, even though voting is a 'right'? |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Sat 06/13/15 11:14 AM
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it always turns into the extreme of banning all guns I agree, those who support such a measure are illogical it would be like BANNING cars however, to have some EXPECTATIONS of people that drive is different than banning drivers,, having requirements that need to be met,, is different than BANNING driving same is true of having a gun,, to have expectation of the gun user or requirements is a different thing than BANNING,,, or did we just BAN voting, when we passed laws making it mandatory to show identification,, even though voting is a 'right'? you still don't get it,do you? go try buy a Firearm without showing some ID,proving that you are a Citizen,same as in voting!  BTW,driving a Car is a privilege,not a Right! You really ought to look up the difference,and stop bringing up those Strawmen! There is one you know!  and you really think Obama and his Minions are blowing Bubbles when they are talking about banning Guns,Obama foremost! He is the Ultimate Hoplophobe! http://www.examiner.com/article/gun-rights-advocate-obama-said-people-shouldn-t-be-able-to-own-guns want it any more explicit than that? |
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well if citizens have the voting rights, it makes sense to be required to prove citizenship,, same with if citizens have gun rights, makes sense to be required to prove citizenship in that case too,,
and when you can show me a definitive authority on what constitutes 'privilege' vs' right', Ill be glad to learn it,, right now they are pretty vague terms constitutionally and legally speaking which are constantly being interpreted and re interpreted and hearsay is not considered explicit,,, I could say you told me you dont think women should live,, wouldnt make it true or factual,,, |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Sat 06/13/15 11:24 AM
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well if citizens have the voting rights, it makes sense to be required to prove citizenship,, same with if citizens have gun rights, makes sense to be required to prove citizenship in that case too,, and when you can show me a definitive authority on what constitutes 'privilege' vs' right', Ill be glad to learn it,, right now they are pretty vague terms constitutionally and legally speaking which are constantly being interpreted and re interpreted and hearsay is not considered explicit,,, I could say you told me you dont think women should live,, wouldnt make it true or factual,,, It's actually Lott quoting Obama! Feinstein is also on record about banning Guns! And so are a bunch of other Politicians,so it is hardly "Hearsay"! But you are welcome to accompany Stallone going Door to Door collecting them! |
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Edited by
tomato86
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Sat 06/13/15 11:28 AM
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"what would stop them from walking into school with katana's and stabbing everything in sight." g8 Seriously?! This talentless pencil-neck?!  If he was a 3rd degree black belt, or samurai, I might agree. This dork couldn't open a letter with a katana. You miss the point g8. Guns do all kinds of awful things. - They can fire a projectile at an innocent person's head or heart, and kill them instantly. - Guns can blast wound-channels into vital tissue, inflicting fatal injury, leaving the shooting victim to suffer, enter shock, and die.  BUT !!! One thing the gun does that broadsword cannot: The gun empowers the weak against the strong. Make up your own examples. And to my knowledge, this is unprecedented. I can't think of any other human invention that accomplishes that. But as Lord Acton is reported to have warned: "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." As an NRA life member I'm familiar with the slogan. An armed society is a polite society. Whether the NRA's utopia, where most or every man & woman is "packin' heat" would result in fewer firearms murders than our status quo, I don't know. Stats and indications on that seem to be mixed. FIREARMS Taken to Sandy Hook Elementary: Izhmash Saiga 12-gauge semiautomatic shotgun Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle Glock 20 10mm semiautomatic handgun Sig Sauer P226 9mm semiautomatic handgun MAGAZINES Taken to Sandy Hook Elementary: Two 12-gauge shotgun magazines 10 30-round .223 magazines 6 30-round 9mm magazines 6 30-round 10mm magazines AMMUNITION Taken to Sandy Hook Elementary: 20 12-gauge shotgun rounds 301 rounds of .233-caliber ammunition 116 rounds of .9mm ammunition 90 rounds of 10mm ammunition so he was too weak to wield a sword, but he could wield all these weapons no problem? and how would those weak little wrists of his be able to handle the recoil on a 10mm pistol? |
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maybe they should start by taking people off the anti-physcotic meds ALL of the recent mass murders have been on... if you really want to blame, then blame the phrama companies and doctors that prescribe these like candies... i agree moe, no one ever wants to address the cause of "why did he do it" (big pharma pills) they only want to address "how did he do it" (guns) |
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op...new York City is gun free right?
... so obviously New York City has to be one of the safest places to live with the least amount if gun violence correct? |
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op...new York City is gun free right? ... so obviously New York City has to be one of the safest places to live with the least amount if gun violence correct? just like chicago.
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sat 06/13/15 12:02 PM
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depends upon the list
http://www.deseretnews.com/top/1497/10/1-Hawaii-10-states-with-the-lowest-amount-of-gun-violence.html based upon this one the top threestates with least gun violence are Hawaii , Massachusetts, and Connecticut based on gun ownership rate, from highest to lowest Hawaii ranks 49 Massachusetts ranks 46 and Connecticut ranks 19 so two out of the three, do happen to also have the lowest rate of gun ownership http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/06/28/states-with-the-most-guns.html of course numbers can show what we want them to, and tweaking them to only reflect a certain period, or specific cities instead of states,,,etc,,, may come up with different rankings,, |
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" he was too weak to wield a sword " t8 Why would you assume muscular strength was the only issue, when I specifically mentioned proficiency; that's what the: "3rd degree black belt, or samurai" Lm comment was about. But even if his muscular strength was tripled, it still wouldn't have enable him to kill as many at his massacre as he was able to with his firearms arsenal. It might be possible, for a person with athletic build, superior reflexes, quick wit; and years of martial arts training and experience. But a stranger off the street picking up a sword and hoping to be proficient with it? I don't think so. Even the 09/11/01 skyjackers are reported to have drilled with their box-cutters, by slitting the throats of live goats. Just having one in your pocked doesn't make you Bruce Lee. |
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well if citizens have the voting rights, it makes sense to be required to prove citizenship,, same with if citizens have gun rights, makes sense to be required to prove citizenship in that case too,, and when you can show me a definitive authority on what constitutes 'privilege' vs' right', Ill be glad to learn it,, right now they are pretty vague terms constitutionally and legally speaking which are constantly being interpreted and re interpreted and hearsay is not considered explicit,,, I could say you told me you dont think women should live,, wouldnt make it true or factual,,, It's actually Lott quoting Obama! Feinstein is also on record about banning Guns! And so are a bunch of other Politicians,so it is hardly "Hearsay"! But you are welcome to accompany Stallone going Door to Door collecting them! I dont care who it is,, its someone CLAIMING That someone said something to them,,not definitive Feinstein may be on record, but he is also not Obama, he is Feinstein its HEARSAY if the person can not be proven to have said it,,,, and once again, me, like most people arent supportive of taking all guns from everybody, or 'banning' all weapons we are for common sense 'regulation'(that 'regulated' militia) in terms of the mental and physical capacity for the owner to HANDLE a gun without putting others in danger,,, |
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Feinstein may be on record, but he is also not Feinstein is a "she".
Obama, he is Feinstein |
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