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Edited by
SassyEuro2
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Since the in Ferguson Missouri riots & ALL the bizarre things, events & issues that have been raised (again).... the movement in 2012-2014 for 23+ states to succeed from The Union of The United States... keeps coming up. And this is why... here are a list of the 20+ states & one link. * There are many if you Google the key words, 'Succession, Susscession from the union, Susscession from the United States. * 20- Petitions have been filed for: Alabama Arkansas Colorado Florida Georgia Indiana Kentucky Louisiana Michigan Mississippi Missouri Montana New Jersey New York North Carolina North Dakota Oregon South Carolina Tennessee Texas. "We petition the Obama the Administration to peacefully grant the State of Alabama to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own new government," reads the Alabama petition. The following text is the same in most of the 20 filed so far: As the founding fathers of the United States of America made clear in the Declaration of Independence in 1776: "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." "...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government..." Most of the petitions have a few thousand signatures; many signers appear to be from other states. Under the "We the People" program, launched last year, the White House will respond to any petition that receives 25,000 or more signatures within 30 days. Anyone over the age of 13 can create a petition. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/11/12/states-petition-obama-administration-to-secede/ " A Reuters poll in 2014 which showed that 23.9% of Americans supported their state succeeding if necessary " 23 states filed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_state_petitions_for_secession/ Citizens in all 50 States filed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_state_petitions_for_secession/ the 2012 state petitions for secession were a citizen originated petition drive using the White House's petitioning system. By November 14, 2012 all 50 US states have had petitions filed by their citizens.[1][2] Generally, each petition seeks peaceful secession and independence for their respective states from the United States of America. -------------------------------------------------------- As I noted above, this is 23+ plus states that have filed between 2012-2014 ( too much data out there to post it all) . Thoughts ? Comments ? |
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I don't like it. I believe that the system is broken but this is no way to fix it. Of course, it would be a great wake up call to those currently in power. But disbanding the states would be disastrous, chaotic, and catastrophic. I am not a fan of sudden change. The power of the nation would be completely weakened and devastated. And would we need passports to travel from state to state? How much change would we undergo? Wouldn't this create even more bureaucracy within each state with different laws and systems? We do have a precedence with the Soviet Union disbanding and look how that turned out, warring nations and financial disasters.
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We would also have a different monetary system within each state. I couldn't handle it.
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And would the Southern states bring back and fly the Confederate flag as their official one?
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And would the Southern states bring back and fly the Confederate flag as their official one? yes we would : ) cause we dont look at it as a hate flag or a slave flag as far as money its a joke anyways the people dont have the gold to back up the money that the usa goverment has been making for a long long time its just paper i agree with you this is not the way to go and i think its all by plan then the people in charge and put the place under martial law then that is when things will really change and not for the better |
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And would the Southern states bring back and fly the Confederate flag as their official one? There's somebody that knows what I am talking about.  If 11 of those states are (below the invisible Mason Dixon Line), Southern states. And it is a Southern,/ Confederate Battle flag.... & if much turmoil (& distraction), happened in the states listed ( including Jade Helm & Walmart & ISIS & Race issues & Crime & Crime/ Illegal immigrants...blah blsh blah. Coincidence ? |
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https://newswatch33.com/news/south-carolina-threatens-to-secede-from-the-union-if-confederate-flag-is-removed/
South Carolina threantens to secede |
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WOW ! I keep finding more states. This WAS a bigger than I first thought.....27 states in 2012
TheBlaze GOVERNMENT 30 States Petition Federal Government to Secede After Election Nov. 12, 2012 8:53pm 27 States Petition to Secede from the United States on Change.org (FILE) UPDATE: We’ve uncovered comments from conservative Justice Scalia talking about the idea of secession. You can read his thoughts on the issue here. Liberals often like to compare President Barack Obama to former President Abraham Lincoln. The comparison is usually dismissed as laughably hagiographical, but judging by one unexpected bit of fallout from Tuesday’s election, it could well end up being accurate in just one respect: Like Lincoln, Obama is facing requests by the citizens of numerous states to secede from the union. However, unlike with Lincoln, these requests are peaceful, and highly unlikely to do anything at all except generate news headlines. A massive number of petitions are currently circulating on Change.org, a website designed to call for action by the federal government or by private institutions on particular causes, calling for particular states to be granted permission to secede. Nor are they confined to the usual suspects (IE the Southern States). In actuality, the mix of states asking to secede is deeply bipartisan, ranging from the deeply red (Alabama and South Carolina) to the deeply blue (New York) to the swing (Pennsylvania). Nor are the states asking to secede in any way geographically clustered. Northern states (New York), Midwestern states (Michigan), Southern states (Alabama) and Western states (Nevada) have all filed petitions of their own. Most swing states this election cycle, with the exception of Ohio, have a petition of their own, and all of them have at least 1,000 signatures, with even some of the bluest states in the union easily keeping pace with their red counterparts. Is this simply the product of a few thousand discontents in each individual state? Perhaps. But Texas’ petition has over 40,000 signatures, well over the 25,000 necessary to reach the attention of the President. If this turns out to be more than the discontented murmurings of a single state, this story may get ugly. Additionally, here is a list of all the states with petitions to secede on WhiteHouse.gov: Delaware California Ohio Nevada Pennsylvania Arizona Oklahoma Arkansas South Carolina Georgia Missouri Tennessee Michigan New York Colorado Oregon New Jersey North Dakota Montana Indiana Mississippi Kentucky Florida North Carolina Alabama Texas Louisiana (H/T: Politico) TheBlaze All information © 2015 TheBlaze Inc |
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Edited by
SassyEuro2
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Sat 07/11/15 10:09 AM
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WOW ! I keep finding more states. This WAS a bigger than I first thought.....27 states in 2012
TheBlaze GOVERNMENT 30 States Petition Federal Government to Secede After Election Nov. 12, 2012 8:53pm 27 States Petition to Secede from the United States on Change.org (FILE) UPDATE: We’ve uncovered comments from conservative Justice Scalia talking about the idea of secession. You can read his thoughts on the issue here. Liberals often like to compare President Barack Obama to former President Abraham Lincoln. The comparison is usually dismissed as laughably hagiographical, but judging by one unexpected bit of fallout from Tuesday’s election, it could well end up being accurate in just one respect: Like Lincoln, Obama is facing requests by the citizens of numerous states to secede from the union. However, unlike with Lincoln, these requests are peaceful, and highly unlikely to do anything at all except generate news headlines. A massive number of petitions are currently circulating on Change.org, a website designed to call for action by the federal government or by private institutions on particular causes, calling for particular states to be granted permission to secede. Nor are they confined to the usual suspects (IE the Southern States). In actuality, the mix of states asking to secede is deeply bipartisan, ranging from the deeply red (Alabama and South Carolina) to the deeply blue (New York) to the swing (Pennsylvania). Nor are the states asking to secede in any way geographically clustered. Northern states (New York), Midwestern states (Michigan), Southern states (Alabama) and Western states (Nevada) have all filed petitions of their own. Most swing states this election cycle, with the exception of Ohio, have a petition of their own, and all of them have at least 1,000 signatures, with even some of the bluest states in the union easily keeping pace with their red counterparts. Is this simply the product of a few thousand discontents in each individual state? Perhaps. But Texas’ petition has over 40,000 signatures, well over the 25,000 necessary to reach the attention of the President. If this turns out to be more than the discontented murmurings of a single state, this story may get ugly. Additionally, here is a list of all the states with petitions to secede on WhiteHouse.gov: Delaware California Ohio Nevada Pennsylvania Arizona Oklahoma Arkansas South Carolina Georgia Missouri Tennessee Michigan New York Colorado Oregon New Jersey North Dakota Montana Indiana Mississippi Kentucky Florida North Carolina Alabama Texas Louisiana (H/T: Politico) TheBlaze All information © 2015 TheBlaze Inc http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/11/12/27-states-petition-federal-government-to-secede-after-election/ |
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Thoughts ? How many people or constituents of those states have actually signed the petition in comparison to the population of the state? Comments ? This isn't that big of deal. I mean the 2012 state petitions for secession were a citizen originated petition drive using the White House's petitioning system. Have you gone to the petitioning system and seen what the requirements are? You can create a petition pretty easily. A few clicks, type in what you want, people visit the site and click to sign. Easy peasy. Might as well start a forum thread asking if you want your state to secede. Looking at the open petitions you see things like taking away Cosby's medal, or removing the name "american" from processed cheese. |
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it is an interesting insight into all the issues americans perceive
some of them are kind of an insight into how spoiled some americans are too,,, Remove america's name from processed american cheese,,,4499 signatures Place Ayn Rand on the ten dollar bill,,,,,,1359 signatures executive order to require the veterans admin to cover transgender operations....342 signatures |
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Texas population for 2015 --- almost 28 million, including 40 thousand petitioners signing up to secede from the United States of America.....
just goes to show you...into each bushel of apples some worms will surely find their way..........yet another "the sky is falling" thread... 
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being from Jersey I'm not for it.
It takes at least a hour to get thru the Lincoln Tunnel now ( and that's with EZ Pass) put border crossing on the Jersey side and it would take all day to get home from work. Plus, Knowing the characters that live in my state it would be a matter of months before we declared war on N.Y. for raiding our beaches during the summer. Added to that Jersey is already like 2 different states ( North Jersey & South Jersey). I see civil war. Why not just leave things the way they are, especially in Jersey. We can barely run a state.. and were going to run our own country? Lol. |
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i like the idea of secession. granted their might be some kinks early on, but nothing that couldnt be worked out. i'd rather states have individual power, as opposed to the overgrown crooked mess that is the federal government controlling everything. people seem to not have faith in localized power, i think it would work alot better than what we currently have.
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