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NASA Administrator Charles Bolden is today a very confused man! He has no idea on what to propose for the agency's budget proposal for next 10 years.
In March 2014 he hustled for $133 million. When Congress asked what for he said he had a "stepping-stone approach" for sending humans to Mars and as a first step he planned to 'capture an asteroid and redirect it to orbit around our moon'. A robotic spacecraft would travel to a small near-Earth asteroid and shift its trajectory into an orbit around the moon. Astronauts would then visit it with an Orion spacecraft in the early 2020s. mission—for which NASA is seeking $133 million in that budget request—was a key step toward that long-term goal. Bolden's reason for playing with space pebbles? "In order to carry out these pioneering missions, we have to develop technologies for our Asteroid Redirect Mission that will lead to the subsequent first crewed mission to Mars." Bolden said. Less heralded is the space trip by a New York stockbroker Dennis Tito. April 28. 2001: on a project by the Russian Space Agency where he reportedly paid the Russians $20 M Tito made an 8 day space trip orbiting earth 128 times. Here's.. what happened when Tito arrived at the Johnson Space Center for additional training on the American portion of the ISS, Robert D. Cabana. NASA manager. sent Tito and his two fellow cosmonauts home, stating "...We will not be able to begin training, because we are not willing to train with Dennis Tito." NASA just turned down Wall Street!!! Now NASA's website says they are planning a Mars flyby around 2021 lasting 600 plus days with two astronauts and one of them would be a woman. This is an old source from National Geographic. My point is "what in heck is Bolden thinking?" As any high school boy will point out (from reading Isaac Asimov's architectural works) that the logical stepping stone would be to enlarge the International Space Station program to a Mars Orbiting Station with landers. Logic says, involve other space agencies: Russian, Chinese & even the Indians. At least if the Indians cannot contribute much by way of funds they can always teach yoga & TM - essential insurance on human sanity for long voyages. Maybe it takes us an additional 10 years:2030 but step ladders are preferable to stepping stones. Of course the larger question remains, what will we do there once we do land on Mars. |
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Edited by
JaiGi
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Mon 07/13/15 11:14 AM
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And what does this model that is going to fly by Mars remind you off?
 Exactly, Hitler's V2 Rocket engines!!  This is an actual V-2 rocket engine which has been cut away to show its workings. The top or head contains 18 propellant injectors and the main alcohol (fuel) inlet. Each of the 18 cup-shaped injectors has an inlet pipe at its top for liquid oxygen (oxidizer). The injectors are arranged in a pattern of two concentric circles: 12 in the outer circle, six in the inner one. Altogether, there are 2,160 nozzles for the liquid oxygen and 1,224 for the alcohol. |
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 All this for a fly by??? |
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Hilter's V-2 rocket engine..
I believe a lot of technology has been hidden & suppressed for a variety of reasons. Then we are supposed to be surprised & impressed . The NASA budget- always a controversy. Well if they don't get what they asked for... expect another "Sally Ride " disaster & mass media or an alien announcement. 
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Right, the V2 comparison is besides the point. NASA's underlying need for a Mars flyby is because 2021 is when Mar's will be closest to earth (there's also a Venus fly past - but I'm waiting for our experts to shed light here). But if we think about space missions - why not a more permanent space station orbiting Mars? Flying by or landing men on Mars is no longer a mission if they have to shuttle back immediately. Moreover the space race is long over. Came across this link after posting: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34097.msg1165305#msg1165305 from where I understand that a flyby does not need a crew!! with-today's tech. I think an ISS equivalent around Mars would fit right into a 100 year space program - & the funds could be spread to other countries. In fact the 'race' could be re-started later. |
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And what does this model that is going to fly by Mars remind you off? Exactly, Hitler's V2 Rocket engines!! This is an actual V-2 rocket engine which has been cut away to show its workings. The top or head contains 18 propellant injectors and the main alcohol (fuel) inlet. Each of the 18 cup-shaped injectors has an inlet pipe at its top for liquid oxygen (oxidizer). The injectors are arranged in a pattern of two concentric circles: 12 in the outer circle, six in the inner one. Altogether, there are 2,160 nozzles for the liquid oxygen and 1,224 for the alcohol. every Look-alike ain't the same you know! |
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Edited by
JaiGi
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Mon 07/13/15 12:54 PM
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Agreed Chief.
The concept of assembly a space station - in space & sailing it onwards to Mars would've been a logical extension of the ISS. That's the implied reason for comparisons. Else we settle for a 'manned' fly-by?? |
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JaiGi quoted
NASA's underlying need for a Mars flyby is because 2021 is when Mar's will be closest to earth (there's also a Venus fly past - but I'm waiting for our experts to shed light here) I keep getting the impression that all things Mars is getting scrapped. And I wrong? Is it funding? or just moving on to other things? Thanks for the link http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34097.msg1165305#msg1165305/ from where I understand that a flyby does not need a crew!! with-today's tech. |
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Edited by
JaiGi
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Fri 07/17/15 11:36 PM
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I keep getting the impression that all things Mars is getting scrapped. And I wrong? Is it funding? or just moving on to other things? It's been an open secret that the Wall St. sub-prime blew away many things, among them tilting a tottering Greece to bankruptcy, international banks and of course NASA. It would have been politically suicidal to fund any of NASA'a serious missions then and now for another additional 5 years. Just realized while ranting that the only guys who escaped Wall St. were the Chinese.  Mars is the new 'race'. There's no doubt around this. In political terms, Khrushchev challenged and Kennedy accepted - the race was the best thing that happened in our times. If I may take this moment to quote from James Schefter's book They were crawling now, just barely above the surface. Houston was watvhing their fuel consumption. "Sixty Seconds," Charlie Duke radioed. Just a minute of fuel left. Neil Armstrong picked his spot. He could get there and down, no boulders, no steep crater walls. "Getting some dust here." It was blowing up from the rocket thrust. They had to be close. There was a metal probe sticking down from a landing pad. When it touched the moon, a signal light in Eagle would come on. "Contact light", Aldrin said. "Engine stop" "Engine Arm off" Aldrin's staccato reports flashed back to Houston. There was a long moment of silence. The next voice from Eagle was Armstrong's spoken on the surface of the moon. It was 3:17pm Houston time, July 29, 1969. "Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed." "Roger, Tranquility," Charlie Duke, "We copy you". In his book Schefter writes that Armstrong had been too busy that he had not thought of anything to say from on the moon. Minutes before stepping out he wrote the words and then they flowed out: "That's one small step for man.. .. .. One giant leap for mankind" Was a kid in middle school in India, still remember that particular day. where were you Sassy, on July 29, 1969.  |
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I keep getting the impression that all things Mars is getting scrapped. And I wrong? Is it funding? or just moving on to other things? It's been an open secret that the Wall St. sub-prime blew away many things, among them tilting a tottering Greece to bankruptcy, international banks and of course NASA. It would have been politically suicidal to fund any of NASA'a serious missions then and now for another additional 5 years. Just realized while ranting that the only guys who escaped Wall St. were the Chinese. Mars is the new 'race'. There's no doubt around this. In political terms, Khrushchev challenged and Kennedy accepted - the race was the best thing that happened in our times. If I may take this moment to quote from James Schefter's book They were crawling now, just barely above the surface. Houston was watvhing their fuel consumption. "Sixty Seconds," Charlie Duke radioed. Just a minute of fuel left. Neil Armstrong picked his spot. He could get there and down, no boulders, no steep crater walls. "Getting some dust here." It was blowing up from the rocket thrust. They had to be close. There was a metal probe sticking down from a landing pad. When it touched the moon, a signal light in Eagle would come on. "Contact light", Aldrin said. "Engine stop" "Engine Arm off" Aldrin's staccato reports flashed back to Houston. There was a long moment of silence. The next voice from Eagle was Armstrong's spoken on the surface of the moon. It was 3:17pm Houston time, July 29, 1969. "Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed." "Roger, Tranquility," Charlie Duke, "We copy you". In his book Schefter writes that Armstrong had been too busy that he had not thought of anything to say from on the moon. Minutes before stepping out he wrote the words and then they flowed out: "That's one small step for man.. .. .. One giant leap for mankind" Was a kid in middle school in India, still remember that particular day. where were you Sassy, on July 29, 1969. It was a hot summer night. My mom rushed all 3 of us kids to have dinner & take a bath & put on night clothes. She told us what we would see & how important it was. I was 9 years old. I didn't care to see it, (on a little portable black & white TV.) But she said " You will remember this the rest of your life ". Afterwards, we went outside, she pointed to the sky & said " There they are ". And I knew she was right & when I read your post of the quotes, I got chills up & down my spine. And almost cried. 
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