Topic: White house fence jumper shot dead
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Thu 08/27/15 09:19 AM
That's a cop out....no oun intended

"" by HEATHER MAC DONALD
December 11, 2014 7:12 PM
The FBI has just released its supplemental
homicide data for 2012, including the numbers
of interracial killings . These are highly relevant
for the current rallying cry that “black lives
matter.”
Unfortunately, the FBI continues its usual
practice of combining whites and Hispanics into
the single category “white,” thus overstating
white crime and victimization rates. Even so,
the data are telling.
A “white” homicide victim is over twice as likely
to be killed by a black than a black homicide
victim is to be killed by a “white.” Sixteen
percent of “white” victims in homicide incidents
involving a single victim and single offender
were killed by blacks, compared with only 7
percent of black victims who are killed by
“whites.” Given the fact that blacks are less
than 13 percent of the national population,
their homicide rate against whites and
Hispanics combined is vastly disproportionate
to their share of the population. There were 431
black killers of “whites,” compared to 193
“white” killers of blacks. Undoubtedly a large
percentage of interracial killings involve gang
killings among black and Hispanic gangs; the
number of non-Hispanic whites who kill blacks
is undoubtedly far lower than 193. (The number
of non-Hispanic whites killed by blacks is also
presumably lower than 431.)
Blacks are also disproportionately represented
among cop killers. In 2013, blacks made up 42
percent of all cop killers whose race was known.
It is tempting to say in response to this latest
data, drearily repetitive of everything that went
before it, that “white lives matter.” Of course
that would be racist. But it is precisely in
response to the disproportionate criminality
among the black population that the police are
deployed in much higher numbers in black
neighborhoods, where they are trying to save
innocent lives. There are thousands of law-
abiding inner-city blacks who live by bourgeois
values and who need protection from criminals.
Only the police are willing to provide that
protection. Their mantra could be “black lives
matter.” The 200 or so reported killings of
blacks by police officers — nearly all justified —
pale in comparison to the 6,000 or so killings
of blacks by other blacks.""
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/394489/new-data-its-still-about-black-black-crime-heather-mac-donald

Now do what you do....totally ignore facts and spin away.

InvictusV's photo
Thu 08/27/15 09:29 AM

That's a cop out....no oun intended

"" by HEATHER MAC DONALD
December 11, 2014 7:12 PM
The FBI has just released its supplemental
homicide data for 2012, including the numbers
of interracial killings . These are highly relevant
for the current rallying cry that “black lives
matter.”
Unfortunately, the FBI continues its usual
practice of combining whites and Hispanics into
the single category “white,” thus overstating
white crime and victimization rates. Even so,
the data are telling.
A “white” homicide victim is over twice as likely
to be killed by a black than a black homicide
victim is to be killed by a “white.” Sixteen
percent of “white” victims in homicide incidents
involving a single victim and single offender
were killed by blacks, compared with only 7
percent of black victims who are killed by
“whites.” Given the fact that blacks are less
than 13 percent of the national population,
their homicide rate against whites and
Hispanics combined is vastly disproportionate
to their share of the population. There were 431
black killers of “whites,” compared to 193
“white” killers of blacks. Undoubtedly a large
percentage of interracial killings involve gang
killings among black and Hispanic gangs; the
number of non-Hispanic whites who kill blacks
is undoubtedly far lower than 193. (The number
of non-Hispanic whites killed by blacks is also
presumably lower than 431.)
Blacks are also disproportionately represented
among cop killers. In 2013, blacks made up 42
percent of all cop killers whose race was known.
It is tempting to say in response to this latest
data, drearily repetitive of everything that went
before it, that “white lives matter.” Of course
that would be racist. But it is precisely in
response to the disproportionate criminality
among the black population that the police are
deployed in much higher numbers in black
neighborhoods, where they are trying to save
innocent lives. There are thousands of law-
abiding inner-city blacks who live by bourgeois
values and who need protection from criminals.
Only the police are willing to provide that
protection. Their mantra could be “black lives
matter.” The 200 or so reported killings of
blacks by police officers — nearly all justified —
pale in comparison to the 6,000 or so killings
of blacks by other blacks.""
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/394489/new-data-its-still-about-black-black-crime-heather-mac-donald

Now do what you do....totally ignore facts and spin away.


People prefer numbers that are contrived to fit their agenda.

When lies are told enough times they become the truth to the obtuse/ weak minded people that need an excuse for their failure and jealousy.


msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 09:29 AM
figures dont lie but liars figure

revisit my posts perhaps, paying special attention to the words 'encounter'

and the issue of where cops are 'deployed' is irrelevant to the concern about how often that 'deployment' leads to the death of the unarmed


or you can ignore it all together for your 'agenda' of painting blacks as justifiably killed due to their extraordinary preponderance for crime,,,


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Thu 08/27/15 09:47 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 08/27/15 09:48 AM
ooh, so fun to play with numbers and statistics,,

my turn




estimated 2013 population 316,497,531

of which 245,918, 581 (77.7 %) are white
and 41,777, 674 (13.2%) are black

doing math, that makes (roughly) 6 white people for every black person
and conversely only a 1/6 chance for each white person to run into a black person


ENCOUNTER RATES

blacks are 6 times more likely to encounter a white person than vice versa


meaning if things were truly equal we should see whites being 6 times more likely to be killed by blacks, not 2 times

kind of knocking the idea of 'disproportionate' (interracial) criminality out of the water,,








no photo
Thu 08/27/15 09:50 AM

figures dont lie but liars figure

revisit my posts perhaps, paying special attention to the words 'encounter'

and the issue of where cops are 'deployed' is irrelevant to the concern about how often that 'deployment' leads to the death of the unarmed


or you can ignore it all together for your 'agenda' of painting blacks as justifiably killed due to their extraordinary preponderance for crime,,,




so, blacks do have an extraordinary preponderance for crime?

InvictusV's photo
Thu 08/27/15 09:52 AM

ooh, so fun to play with numbers and statistics,,

my turn




estimated 2013 population 316,497,531

of which 245,918, 581 (77.7 %) are white
and 41,777, 674 (13.2%) are black

doing math, that makes (roughly) 6 white people for every black person
and conversely only a 1/6 chance for each white person to run into a black person


ENCOUNTER RATES

blacks are 6 times more likely to encounter a white person than vice versa


meaning if things were truly equal we should see whites being 6 times more likely to be killed by blacks, not 2 times

kind of knocking the idea of 'disproportionate' (interracial) criminality out of the water,,










I will be you...

What defines an encounter?

At work? At school? In the mall?

At what times of the day are these encounters taking place?








no photo
Thu 08/27/15 09:57 AM
or you can ignore it all together for your
'agenda' of painting blacks as justifiably killed
due to their extraordinary preponderance for
crime,,,
Thats not my agenda (and I see youre stealing what rightfully has been bestowed upon you), those are facts gathered by the FBI.
As for the rest of what you posted....I said spin away...that crap was a lousy wobble.

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 10:00 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 08/27/15 10:03 AM
oh, I love the simple question

to come upon face to face, ENCOUNTER

by the numbers with there being a six to one ratio of whites to blacks

that means every unique black person potentially has six unique white people they could encounter


and in a largely segregated society, for another example, a black person may only encounter blacks in their immediate community on a regular basis,, but when they have to leave their community they are much less likely to avoid an encounter with whites

whereas, in that same society, a white person may only encounter whites in their community on a regular basis, and when they leave are more likely to be able to AVOID encountering blacks


that was one of the purposes of segregation, minorities had to live in the world of the white male,, not vice versa



msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 10:01 AM

or you can ignore it all together for your
'agenda' of painting blacks as justifiably killed
due to their extraordinary preponderance for
crime,,,
Thats not my agenda (and I see youre stealing what rightfully has been bestowed upon you), those are facts gathered by the FBI.
As for the rest of what you posted....I said spin away...that crap was a lousy wobble.


'spin'..mingle speak for anything that doesnt support my opinion,,,

lol


msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 10:02 AM


That's a cop out....no oun intended

"" by HEATHER MAC DONALD
December 11, 2014 7:12 PM
The FBI has just released its supplemental
homicide data for 2012, including the numbers
of interracial killings . These are highly relevant
for the current rallying cry that “black lives
matter.”
Unfortunately, the FBI continues its usual
practice of combining whites and Hispanics into
the single category “white,” thus overstating
white crime and victimization rates. Even so,
the data are telling.
A “white” homicide victim is over twice as likely
to be killed by a black than a black homicide
victim is to be killed by a “white.” Sixteen
percent of “white” victims in homicide incidents
involving a single victim and single offender
were killed by blacks, compared with only 7
percent of black victims who are killed by
“whites.” Given the fact that blacks are less
than 13 percent of the national population,
their homicide rate against whites and
Hispanics combined is vastly disproportionate
to their share of the population. There were 431
black killers of “whites,” compared to 193
“white” killers of blacks. Undoubtedly a large
percentage of interracial killings involve gang
killings among black and Hispanic gangs; the
number of non-Hispanic whites who kill blacks
is undoubtedly far lower than 193. (The number
of non-Hispanic whites killed by blacks is also
presumably lower than 431.)
Blacks are also disproportionately represented
among cop killers. In 2013, blacks made up 42
percent of all cop killers whose race was known.
It is tempting to say in response to this latest
data, drearily repetitive of everything that went
before it, that “white lives matter.” Of course
that would be racist. But it is precisely in
response to the disproportionate criminality
among the black population that the police are
deployed in much higher numbers in black
neighborhoods, where they are trying to save
innocent lives. There are thousands of law-
abiding inner-city blacks who live by bourgeois
values and who need protection from criminals.
Only the police are willing to provide that
protection. Their mantra could be “black lives
matter.” The 200 or so reported killings of
blacks by police officers — nearly all justified —
pale in comparison to the 6,000 or so killings
of blacks by other blacks.""
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/394489/new-data-its-still-about-black-black-crime-heather-mac-donald

Now do what you do....totally ignore facts and spin away.


People prefer numbers that are contrived to fit their agenda.

When lies are told enough times they become the truth to the obtuse/ weak minded people that need an excuse for their failure and jealousy.





so true,, so true,,,,



msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 10:02 AM


figures dont lie but liars figure

revisit my posts perhaps, paying special attention to the words 'encounter'

and the issue of where cops are 'deployed' is irrelevant to the concern about how often that 'deployment' leads to the death of the unarmed


or you can ignore it all together for your 'agenda' of painting blacks as justifiably killed due to their extraordinary preponderance for crime,,,




so, blacks do have an extraordinary preponderance for crime?



no, but the 'agenda' in place consistently attempts to suggest they do

no photo
Thu 08/27/15 10:14 AM


or you can ignore it all together for your
'agenda' of painting blacks as justifiably killed
due to their extraordinary preponderance for
crime,,,
Thats not my agenda (and I see youre stealing what rightfully has been bestowed upon you), those are facts gathered by the FBI.
As for the rest of what you posted....I said spin away...that crap was a lousy wobble.


'spin'..mingle speak for anything that doesnt support my opinion,,,

lol


My posted facts trump (no pun intended again) your misguided and narrative driven opinion.
13% of the population commits 50% of the homicides. That fact isnt meant for you MH...its meant for any from outside our country to read....so they wont be swayed by your rhetoric of "po wittle bwack boyz" being always treated bad by police. Fact is, theyre the most prolific murderers in our country.
Wobble on MH....wobble on.

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Thu 08/27/15 10:15 AM



figures dont lie but liars figure

revisit my posts perhaps, paying special attention to the words 'encounter'

and the issue of where cops are 'deployed' is irrelevant to the concern about how often that 'deployment' leads to the death of the unarmed


or you can ignore it all together for your 'agenda' of painting blacks as justifiably killed due to their extraordinary preponderance for crime,,,




so, blacks do have an extraordinary preponderance for crime?



no, but the 'agenda' in place consistently attempts to suggest they do


I have not heard of this "agenda". Where does it come from?

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 10:16 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 08/27/15 10:23 AM




figures dont lie but liars figure

revisit my posts perhaps, paying special attention to the words 'encounter'

and the issue of where cops are 'deployed' is irrelevant to the concern about how often that 'deployment' leads to the death of the unarmed


or you can ignore it all together for your 'agenda' of painting blacks as justifiably killed due to their extraordinary preponderance for crime,,,




so, blacks do have an extraordinary preponderance for crime?



no, but the 'agenda' in place consistently attempts to suggest they do


I have not heard of this "agenda". Where does it come from?




laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh u r funny, look back through the thread


1st instance of the exceptionally criminal black people narrative, page 1
"Me black on black crime that outweighs white on black crime 10 to 1."



2nd instance of the excecptionally criminal black people narrative, page 2
"But it is precisely in
response to the disproportionate criminality
among the black population that the police are
deployed in much higher numbers in black
neighborhoods, where they are trying to save
innocent lives."


3rd instance of COSGINING The exceptionally criminal (and apparently jealous) black people narrative , page 2

'People prefer numbers that are contrived to fit their agenda.

When lies are told enough times they become the truth to the obtuse/ weak minded people that need an excuse for their failure and jealousy. '



4th instance of the exceptionally criminal black people narrative (warning foreigners apparently,,lol) page 2
' Fact is, theyre the most prolific murderers in our country. '

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Thu 08/27/15 10:22 AM





figures dont lie but liars figure

revisit my posts perhaps, paying special attention to the words 'encounter'

and the issue of where cops are 'deployed' is irrelevant to the concern about how often that 'deployment' leads to the death of the unarmed


or you can ignore it all together for your 'agenda' of painting blacks as justifiably killed due to their extraordinary preponderance for crime,,,




so, blacks do have an extraordinary preponderance for crime?



no, but the 'agenda' in place consistently attempts to suggest they do


I have not heard of this "agenda". Where does it come from?




laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh u r funny, look back through the thread




Oh, I thought you had found a "secret agenda" against blacks.

InvictusV's photo
Thu 08/27/15 10:23 AM

oh, I love the simple question

to come upon face to face, ENCOUNTER

by the numbers with there being a six to one ratio of whites to blacks

that means every unique black person potentially has six unique white people they could encounter


and in a largely segregated society, for another example, a black person may only encounter blacks in their immediate community on a regular basis,, but when they have to leave their community they are much less likely to avoid an encounter with whites

whereas, in that same society, a white person may only encounter whites in their community on a regular basis, and when they leave are more likely to be able to AVOID encountering blacks


that was one of the purposes of segregation, minorities had to live in the world of the white male,, not vice versa





You are talking about how encounters should equal crime.

Not every single black person wants to kill someone. So taking the overall numbers of people in the entire group and then saying that based on the number of encounters the crime rate should be higher is not a basis statistically to make that argument.

Where I work there are 40 production workers and 30 are black. Does that mean based on your logic that the interracial crime rate at my workplace should be much higher because when I leave my office I encounter 30 black men?






msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 10:25 AM
no, the 'exceptionally violent and criminal blacks makes their deaths understandable and excusable' agenda

or perhaps 'narrative' ?

take your pick,,,

no photo
Thu 08/27/15 10:34 AM





figures dont lie but liars figure

revisit my posts perhaps, paying special attention to the words 'encounter'

and the issue of where cops are 'deployed' is irrelevant to the concern about how often that 'deployment' leads to the death of the unarmed


or you can ignore it all together for your 'agenda' of painting blacks as justifiably killed due to their extraordinary preponderance for crime,,,




so, blacks do have an extraordinary preponderance for crime?



no, but the 'agenda' in place consistently attempts to suggest they do


I have not heard of this "agenda". Where does it come from?




laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh u r funny, look back through the thread


1st instance of the exceptionally criminal black people narrative, page 1
"Me black on black crime that outweighs white on black crime 10 to 1."



2nd instance of the excecptionally criminal black people narrative, page 2
"But it is precisely in
response to the disproportionate criminality
among the black population that the police are
deployed in much higher numbers in black
neighborhoods, where they are trying to save
innocent lives."


3rd instance of COSGINING The exceptionally criminal (and apparently jealous) black people narrative , page 2

'People prefer numbers that are contrived to fit their agenda.

When lies are told enough times they become the truth to the obtuse/ weak minded people that need an excuse for their failure and jealousy. '



4th instance of the exceptionally criminal black people narrative (warning foreigners apparently,,lol) page 2
' Fact is, theyre the most prolific murderers in our country. '


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz0A1Ux9Lok&itct=CCkQpDAYBiITCN_m-vLiyccCFU8sfgodAoAD2FIaYmxhY2sgZ2lybCBkb2VzIHRoZSB3b2JibGU%3D&gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 10:51 AM


oh, I love the simple question

to come upon face to face, ENCOUNTER

by the numbers with there being a six to one ratio of whites to blacks

that means every unique black person potentially has six unique white people they could encounter


and in a largely segregated society, for another example, a black person may only encounter blacks in their immediate community on a regular basis,, but when they have to leave their community they are much less likely to avoid an encounter with whites

whereas, in that same society, a white person may only encounter whites in their community on a regular basis, and when they leave are more likely to be able to AVOID encountering blacks


that was one of the purposes of segregation, minorities had to live in the world of the white male,, not vice versa





You are talking about how encounters should equal crime.

Not every single black person wants to kill someone. So taking the overall numbers of people in the entire group and then saying that based on the number of encounters the crime rate should be higher is not a basis statistically to make that argument.

Where I work there are 40 production workers and 30 are black. Does that mean based on your logic that the interracial crime rate at my workplace should be much higher because when I leave my office I encounter 30 black men?








no

in your example,,,there are 3 black workers to every 1 white worker

that would mean it would be numerically logical, considering every white worker has 3 unique black victims,,, and only every third black worker has their own unique white victim

IF whites were 'more likely' to be involved in crimes of an INTERRACIAL nature against their coworkers,,

based on their being 'more likely' to have the opportunity to do so,,,

so, if someone were to point out that at your workplace that whites were involved in interracial crimes three times as much as blacks were, that would not prove some exceptional propensity towards crime, but would reflect numbers that logically added up based upon OPPORTUNITY to commit interracial crime being 3 times more likely



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Thu 08/27/15 11:09 AM
so, if someone were to point out that at your
workplace that whites were involved in
interracial crimes three times as much as blacks
were, that would not prove some exceptional
propensity towards crime, but would reflect
numbers that logically added up based upon
OPPORTUNITY to commit interracial crime
being 3 times more likely
Good FREAKIN God at the spin....

Oh please explain how 13% of the population accounts for HALF of ALL murders. I guess that blacks, being the 13%, have a bigger victim pool to choose from, right? Thats some piss poor "logic" you have there....