Topic: White house fence jumper shot dead
msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 11:35 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 08/27/15 11:38 AM

so, if someone were to point out that at your
workplace that whites were involved in
interracial crimes three times as much as blacks
were, that would not prove some exceptional
propensity towards crime, but would reflect
numbers that logically added up based upon
OPPORTUNITY to commit interracial crime
being 3 times more likely
Good FREAKIN God at the spin....

Oh please explain how 13% of the population accounts for HALF of ALL murders. I guess that blacks, being the 13%, have a bigger victim pool to choose from, right? Thats some piss poor "logic" you have there....


because people pick and choose their figures,, as implied in the quote

;figures dont lie, but liars figure'


much like the 'bell curve' science,, the problem with data is that it can be nitpicked to support completely opposing positions


for instance,, that half of all murders stuff is OLD data that picked a RANGE of years and averaged it,,,


however, the other data, checking actual numbers from, lets say 2013

reflect that 38 percent of arrests for homicides are blacks,,,and thats ARRESTS, reflecting who the police are catching not who goes uncaught( 1 in 3 murders go unsolved) or unarrested

and thats still 'disproportionate' to their representation as a population, but then so was their enslaved status once upon a time,, doesnt prove propensity in character as much as it does propensity in ARREST and convictions



metalwing's photo
Thu 08/27/15 11:40 AM


so, if someone were to point out that at your
workplace that whites were involved in
interracial crimes three times as much as blacks
were, that would not prove some exceptional
propensity towards crime, but would reflect
numbers that logically added up based upon
OPPORTUNITY to commit interracial crime
being 3 times more likely
Good FREAKIN God at the spin....

Oh please explain how 13% of the population accounts for HALF of ALL murders. I guess that blacks, being the 13%, have a bigger victim pool to choose from, right? Thats some piss poor "logic" you have there....


because people pick and choose their figures,, as implied in the quote

;figures dont lie, but liars figure'


much like the 'bell curve' science,, the problem with data is that it can be nitpicked to support completely opposing positions


for instance,, that half of all murders stuff is OLD data that picked a RANGE of years and averaged it,,,


however, the other data, checking actual numbers from, lets say 2013

reflect that 38 percent of arrests for homicides are blacks,,,and thats ARRESTS, reflecting who the police are catching not who goes uncaught or unarrested

and thats still 'disproportionate' to their representation as a population, but then so was their enslaved status once upon a time,, doesnt prove propensity in character as much as it does propensity in ARREST and convictions





As usual you are spinning the numbers. The 50% data came from the FBI, not some racist group. Arrests are arrests and murders are murders.

metalwing's photo
Thu 08/27/15 11:40 AM


so, if someone were to point out that at your
workplace that whites were involved in
interracial crimes three times as much as blacks
were, that would not prove some exceptional
propensity towards crime, but would reflect
numbers that logically added up based upon
OPPORTUNITY to commit interracial crime
being 3 times more likely
Good FREAKIN God at the spin....

Oh please explain how 13% of the population accounts for HALF of ALL murders. I guess that blacks, being the 13%, have a bigger victim pool to choose from, right? Thats some piss poor "logic" you have there....


because people pick and choose their figures,, as implied in the quote

;figures dont lie, but liars figure'


much like the 'bell curve' science,, the problem with data is that it can be nitpicked to support completely opposing positions


for instance,, that half of all murders stuff is OLD data that picked a RANGE of years and averaged it,,,


however, the other data, checking actual numbers from, lets say 2013

reflect that 38 percent of arrests for homicides are blacks,,,and thats ARRESTS, reflecting who the police are catching not who goes uncaught or unarrested

and thats still 'disproportionate' to their representation as a population, but then so was their enslaved status once upon a time,, doesnt prove propensity in character as much as it does propensity in ARREST and convictions





As usual you are spinning the numbers. The 50% data came from the FBI, not some racist group. Arrests are arrests and murders are murders.

InvictusV's photo
Thu 08/27/15 11:42 AM



oh, I love the simple question

to come upon face to face, ENCOUNTER

by the numbers with there being a six to one ratio of whites to blacks

that means every unique black person potentially has six unique white people they could encounter


and in a largely segregated society, for another example, a black person may only encounter blacks in their immediate community on a regular basis,, but when they have to leave their community they are much less likely to avoid an encounter with whites

whereas, in that same society, a white person may only encounter whites in their community on a regular basis, and when they leave are more likely to be able to AVOID encountering blacks


that was one of the purposes of segregation, minorities had to live in the world of the white male,, not vice versa





You are talking about how encounters should equal crime.

Not every single black person wants to kill someone. So taking the overall numbers of people in the entire group and then saying that based on the number of encounters the crime rate should be higher is not a basis statistically to make that argument.

Where I work there are 40 production workers and 30 are black. Does that mean based on your logic that the interracial crime rate at my workplace should be much higher because when I leave my office I encounter 30 black men?








no

in your example,,,there are 3 black workers to every 1 white worker

that would mean it would be numerically logical, considering every white worker has 3 unique black victims,,, and only every third black worker has their own unique white victim

IF whites were 'more likely' to be involved in crimes of an INTERRACIAL nature against their coworkers,,

based on their being 'more likely' to have the opportunity to do so,,,

so, if someone were to point out that at your workplace that whites were involved in interracial crimes three times as much as blacks were, that would not prove some exceptional propensity towards crime, but would reflect numbers that logically added up based upon OPPORTUNITY to commit interracial crime being 3 times more likely





It isn't numerically logical because violent crimes in the workplace are not as common as on any given street . I would suggest that the workplace is in fact where the highest occurrence of these black white encounters take place.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 08/27/15 11:47 AM




he has been trying to commit suicide for a while

surprised it took them this long to shoot him , honestly


I read that his brother, Derick, is in prison for killing their father.


Me black on black crime that outweighs white on black crime 10 to 1.




yes, intraracial crimes outweigh interracial crimes, mostly due to opportunity in a society where people are still largely segregated and have more opportunities to encounter others in their race


yea, of course... just kill whats closest, huh... thats why so many other races only kill each other...

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 11:53 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 08/27/15 11:54 AM



so, if someone were to point out that at your
workplace that whites were involved in
interracial crimes three times as much as blacks
were, that would not prove some exceptional
propensity towards crime, but would reflect
numbers that logically added up based upon
OPPORTUNITY to commit interracial crime
being 3 times more likely
Good FREAKIN God at the spin....

Oh please explain how 13% of the population accounts for HALF of ALL murders. I guess that blacks, being the 13%, have a bigger victim pool to choose from, right? Thats some piss poor "logic" you have there....


because people pick and choose their figures,, as implied in the quote

;figures dont lie, but liars figure'


much like the 'bell curve' science,, the problem with data is that it can be nitpicked to support completely opposing positions


for instance,, that half of all murders stuff is OLD data that picked a RANGE of years and averaged it,,,


however, the other data, checking actual numbers from, lets say 2013

reflect that 38 percent of arrests for homicides are blacks,,,and thats ARRESTS, reflecting who the police are catching not who goes uncaught or unarrested

and thats still 'disproportionate' to their representation as a population, but then so was their enslaved status once upon a time,, doesnt prove propensity in character as much as it does propensity in ARREST and convictions





As usual you are spinning the numbers. The 50% data came from the FBI, not some racist group. Arrests are arrests and murders are murders.



I know, it doesnt support the neat little narrative box does it?

I still have not seen a reference to a source, and the information about the 50 percent I know was taken from a COLLECTION of yearly FBI numbers over a chosen RANGE OF YEARS

arrests ARE arrests, and murders ARE murders, but unknown murder assailants arent figured into the statistics that measure the known murder VICTIMS,,,


for instance 100 victims,, of which we know the assailant for 60 means there have been 100 crimes, and if we know that jack committed 40 of those crimes,,

that would mean that out of the 60 crimes where the assailant is known he has committed 66 percent (2/3)

hwoever he has not committed 66 percent of the crimes if others are responsible for the 40 crimes we dont have an assailant for

in that case that 66 percent drops down to 40 percent


msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 11:56 AM





he has been trying to commit suicide for a while

surprised it took them this long to shoot him , honestly


I read that his brother, Derick, is in prison for killing their father.


Me black on black crime that outweighs white on black crime 10 to 1.




yes, intraracial crimes outweigh interracial crimes, mostly due to opportunity in a society where people are still largely segregated and have more opportunities to encounter others in their race


yea, of course... just kill whats closest, huh... thats why so many other races only kill each other...



wow,,,still missing it huh?

no race kills ONLY each other,, nowhere has that been implied or the topic


the topic is INTERRACIAL crime,,,,,and INTRRACIAL crime

most crimes are committed WITHIN a race , or INTRARACIAL,,whatever the race



msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 12:00 PM
has this gone far enough offtopic yet?

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

mightymoe's photo
Thu 08/27/15 12:01 PM






he has been trying to commit suicide for a while

surprised it took them this long to shoot him , honestly


I read that his brother, Derick, is in prison for killing their father.


Me black on black crime that outweighs white on black crime 10 to 1.




yes, intraracial crimes outweigh interracial crimes, mostly due to opportunity in a society where people are still largely segregated and have more opportunities to encounter others in their race


yea, of course... just kill whats closest, huh... thats why so many other races only kill each other...



wow,,,still missing it huh?

no race kills ONLY each other,, nowhere has that been implied or the topic


the topic is INTERRACIAL crime,,,,,and INTRRACIAL crime

most crimes are committed WITHIN a race , or INTRARACIAL,,whatever the race





yea, and your answer makes no sense whatsoever... so your saying they are going to kill someone anyway, so they kill whoever is closer to them?

your answer only has merit in the fact that it's much easier for them to get away with murder in their own neighborhoods because cops have a hard time doing their job there...

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 12:02 PM
getting back on topic with my last quote before race was interjected (by someone else)

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but no one hears their name that way,, people are addicted to feeling 'popular',, and going out this way gets them 15 minutes of fame

people do all sorts of things, just to get that 15 minutes,,,

no photo
Thu 08/27/15 12:32 PM
Edited by RebelArcher on Thu 08/27/15 12:32 PM

getting back on topic with my last quote before race was interjected (by someone else)

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but no one hears their name that way,, people are addicted to feeling 'popular',, and going out this way gets them 15 minutes of fame

people do all sorts of things, just to get that 15 minutes,,,

*Likes to go off topic when it suits her agenda, prays to get back on topic when getting schooled*

no photo
Thu 08/27/15 12:37 PM
A lot of delusional folks on this thread.. Heh MS... Lol

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 12:45 PM

A lot of delusional folks on this thread.. Heh MS... Lol


amen,,,trying to steer the race obsessed back to topic,, but its just such an uphill battle,,,

the topic they introduced of 'black on black crime',, seems to be a passion,,,


oh well,, whatcha gonna do,,

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 12:49 PM
anyway,,,this shooter,, doesn't appear so far to have had any family or friends to speak of

no 'he was such a quiet guy',,,,or 'im so surprised',,,,,

but perhaps that's because there has been a decision to erase him from the narrative and deter others who may be inspired by the potential for noteriety? and the victims' justice is already carried out in his death.

it is,, as I already stated,, tragic in all sense of the word,,,


metalwing's photo
Thu 08/27/15 01:52 PM




so, if someone were to point out that at your
workplace that whites were involved in
interracial crimes three times as much as blacks
were, that would not prove some exceptional
propensity towards crime, but would reflect
numbers that logically added up based upon
OPPORTUNITY to commit interracial crime
being 3 times more likely
Good FREAKIN God at the spin....

Oh please explain how 13% of the population accounts for HALF of ALL murders. I guess that blacks, being the 13%, have a bigger victim pool to choose from, right? Thats some piss poor "logic" you have there....


because people pick and choose their figures,, as implied in the quote

;figures dont lie, but liars figure'


much like the 'bell curve' science,, the problem with data is that it can be nitpicked to support completely opposing positions


for instance,, that half of all murders stuff is OLD data that picked a RANGE of years and averaged it,,,


however, the other data, checking actual numbers from, lets say 2013

reflect that 38 percent of arrests for homicides are blacks,,,and thats ARRESTS, reflecting who the police are catching not who goes uncaught or unarrested

and thats still 'disproportionate' to their representation as a population, but then so was their enslaved status once upon a time,, doesnt prove propensity in character as much as it does propensity in ARREST and convictions





As usual you are spinning the numbers. The 50% data came from the FBI, not some racist group. Arrests are arrests and murders are murders.



I know, it doesnt support the neat little narrative box does it?

I still have not seen a reference to a source, and the information about the 50 percent I know was taken from a COLLECTION of yearly FBI numbers over a chosen RANGE OF YEARS

arrests ARE arrests, and murders ARE murders, but unknown murder assailants arent figured into the statistics that measure the known murder VICTIMS,,,


for instance 100 victims,, of which we know the assailant for 60 means there have been 100 crimes, and if we know that jack committed 40 of those crimes,,

that would mean that out of the 60 crimes where the assailant is known he has committed 66 percent (2/3)

hwoever he has not committed 66 percent of the crimes if others are responsible for the 40 crimes we dont have an assailant for

in that case that 66 percent drops down to 40 percent




Your facts are false and your math stinks.

From the FBI for the year 2013

2245 blacks killed other blacks of the total of 2491 blacks killed.
That is 90%

409 blacks killed whites of the 3005 whites killed. That is 14%

Considering blacks and whites

2654 blacks killed 5496 blacks and whites for 48% These numbers don't include the unknown which would raise the percentage higher.

mikeybgood1's photo
Thu 08/27/15 02:00 PM
The reality of the story is simple in its concept. NEVER bring a knife to a gunfight. Thank you, I'll be here all week, try the veal.... *takes bow*

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 02:07 PM





so, if someone were to point out that at your
workplace that whites were involved in
interracial crimes three times as much as blacks
were, that would not prove some exceptional
propensity towards crime, but would reflect
numbers that logically added up based upon
OPPORTUNITY to commit interracial crime
being 3 times more likely
Good FREAKIN God at the spin....

Oh please explain how 13% of the population accounts for HALF of ALL murders. I guess that blacks, being the 13%, have a bigger victim pool to choose from, right? Thats some piss poor "logic" you have there....


because people pick and choose their figures,, as implied in the quote

;figures dont lie, but liars figure'


much like the 'bell curve' science,, the problem with data is that it can be nitpicked to support completely opposing positions


for instance,, that half of all murders stuff is OLD data that picked a RANGE of years and averaged it,,,


however, the other data, checking actual numbers from, lets say 2013

reflect that 38 percent of arrests for homicides are blacks,,,and thats ARRESTS, reflecting who the police are catching not who goes uncaught or unarrested

and thats still 'disproportionate' to their representation as a population, but then so was their enslaved status once upon a time,, doesnt prove propensity in character as much as it does propensity in ARREST and convictions





As usual you are spinning the numbers. The 50% data came from the FBI, not some racist group. Arrests are arrests and murders are murders.



I know, it doesnt support the neat little narrative box does it?

I still have not seen a reference to a source, and the information about the 50 percent I know was taken from a COLLECTION of yearly FBI numbers over a chosen RANGE OF YEARS

arrests ARE arrests, and murders ARE murders, but unknown murder assailants arent figured into the statistics that measure the known murder VICTIMS,,,


for instance 100 victims,, of which we know the assailant for 60 means there have been 100 crimes, and if we know that jack committed 40 of those crimes,,

that would mean that out of the 60 crimes where the assailant is known he has committed 66 percent (2/3)

hwoever he has not committed 66 percent of the crimes if others are responsible for the 40 crimes we dont have an assailant for

in that case that 66 percent drops down to 40 percent




Your facts are false and your math stinks.

From the FBI for the year 2013

2245 blacks killed other blacks of the total of 2491 blacks killed.
That is 90%

409 blacks killed whites of the 3005 whites killed. That is 14%

Considering blacks and whites

2654 blacks killed 5496 blacks and whites for 48% These numbers don't include the unknown which would raise the percentage higher.



laugh laugh laugh

thanks for arguing my point

most crime is intraracial(within the race)

blacks also account for almost HALF of all victims,,,,,AND?

should that mean whites should fear them less, because they mostly have the tendency to kill each other?




msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 02:09 PM
BACK TO THE SHOOTER,,,,

(but I suppose him being black means we HAVE to continue arguing how much more violent black people are,,,?)


no photo
Thu 08/27/15 02:37 PM

BACK TO THE SHOOTER,,,,

(but I suppose him being black means we HAVE to continue arguing how much more violent black people are,,,?)


Well...considering he belongs to a part of the population that commits half of the nations's murders while only making up 13% of the total population... it just means blacks, as a group, are more violent. No need to argue that fact. But, your math skills seem lacking so Im sure you'll argue anyway....even if it's only to get in the last word.

msharmony's photo
Thu 08/27/15 02:42 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 08/27/15 02:52 PM


BACK TO THE SHOOTER,,,,

(but I suppose him being black means we HAVE to continue arguing how much more violent black people are,,,?)


Well...considering he belongs to a part of the population that commits half of the nations's murders while only making up 13% of the total population... it just means blacks, as a group, are more violent. No need to argue that fact. But, your math skills seem lacking so Im sure you'll argue anyway....even if it's only to get in the last word.



yes, and as an individual,,isnt it nice to belong to the group whose numbers makes just about anything you do not so bad because' as a group,, you are just commititing that crime at a rate of your representation or less?



lol


never mind that only 1 percent of blacks commit a violent crime in any given year

or that though blacks may perhaps make up 47 percent of 'murder'(the charge for killing, not a reflection of actual killing that occurs)

yet whites make up 72 percent of domestic battery offenders, I think thats vioelnt, isnt it?( I know, thats just reflective of how they are the majority,, right?)

lol

but blacks are just more 'violent' than the majority,,,


must be nice,,, the subtle privilege of being in the majority, pointing out all the ways others are 'disproportionately' inferior...