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Topic: Honey please change if you love me
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Tue 01/19/16 05:00 PM


It's like buying a car and then wanting to put upgrades on it. It's a way of personalizing your new ride, so to speak. :wink:


But still you won`t change the things you loved once in your car. I won`t noway

You mean to tell me you wouldn't replace the stoke stereo if it didn't have an adapter for your smart phone or MP4 player?

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Tue 01/19/16 08:34 PM

It's nice when they teach their dogs not to eat your cats.

lol...True but that are adjustments required to live with each other.

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Tue 01/19/16 08:41 PM

I do not know. It seems like guys I dated acted like they really liked me, then started in with you are too chubby, don't talk right, etc ect. and they would go up and down leaving nice messsages and mean ones on my phone, saying do not call, call, ect, then acuse me of playing games because some girl they knew told them I was.... figure???? I just try to be friends and keep it that way, and casaual friends if they act like that, if even friends at all, because though they say they are at least friends, I do not treat anyone that way and is it wrong to want respect? I like my weight, myself and who I am and have no desire to change. I think if people want someone to change that person should be thinking it a good change too, otherwise I tell people politely maybe they are looking for someone else? Like puzzle pieces, no matter how lonely, some do not fit and maybe with someone else they would be happy.

I totally get that and I am fine with her pointing out changes in me or around me. Like you I am also happy with certain stuffs in my life and wouldn`t like to change them. I can merit the change and if it is good I would love to make those changes but I have the issue with the approach taken. It is like you are forced to change just becoz you did a sin of loving her. I am talking about that aspect.

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Tue 01/19/16 08:54 PM

Why do all women want to make some changes in their lover?

Everyone does this.
Some are more aware of what they are doing than others.
Some communicate it more directly than others.

No one knows who the other person is from the very first moment.

There is never a point in any relationship where someone can't surprise you with a new facet to their personality, react to something in a way you didn't expect.

Not to mention, people aren't static.
They change constantly.

IMO the only problem people have with change is they don't receive immediate benefits from it and have to exert immediate conscious effort (lose something) to enact it.
The easiest example of this would be how someone feels if their partner said:
"You're too fat. You need to lose weight."
vs.
"I'm joining a gym, I can get two passes for the same price, I would like you to go with me, okay? We eat out all the time and it would help keep our pants fitting so we don't have to buy new ones plus it's good for our health. That's all I'm worried about."

Big difference between "I want you to change solely for my benefit" vs. "I want you to change, and you will achieve a benefit."

It's all the same.

those were the features they loved before

Blame society and all the stupid movies.
Too many people have been told to "know what they want!" as though that's anything other than a retards mantra.
Stupid people build up an idea of who they want.
They then find those traits.
But don't realize that there are no absolutely positive qualities.

Your guy is highly romantic? Always knows what to say? Tells you the wonderful things you love to hear? Great, he knows how to use words to avoid responsibility. He charms people.
He's friendly and outgoing? Great, you never know if he's just being friendly and nice to other people or interested, because he acts the same way with others as he did with you the first time you met him.
Only you weren't around people very much for the first 6 months so are only learning it now.
He's funny as hell, can always make you laugh, and never feel lonely?
It's a tool he developed to keep people at a distance so he never had to learn how to communicate.
And it's past the honey moon stage and there are decisions and responsibility and feedback that is necessary to deal with but he keeps deflecting with humor.

Crap like that.

It's one thing to "know what you want" but that is asinine when it comes to other people and it's put to practical reality.

Knowing what you want usually means you have no idea how to spot who someone really is.
As it allows someone to avoid thinking about what motivates the behavior, and how to conceptualize the person as a person beyond a judgmental bias.

why any change?

Sometimes it's as simple as communication sucking in the relationship. Like "I didn't want you to go shopping, I wanted you to want to go shopping."

They can't determine the actual motives to behavior, but if it's a certain type of motivation then changing to new behavior isn't that hard.
e.g. if his humor is really based on being funny, happy, enjoying life, and not a defense mechanism, then taking things more seriously, or trying new things, wouldn't really be a problem, but if it is a defense mechanism then he's not going to change he's going to use it to defend himself against change.

Sometimes the demand for change is just a demand for better feedback on what's going on and what is motivating a person.


Of course, examples are extremely important when discussing a desire for change.
I mean there's a huge difference between "I want you to develop a six pack and go get plastic surgery or I'm dumping you!"
vs.
"I want you to stop playing video games all day then calling me for sex at 1 am or I'm not going to see you anymore."

Wow nice analysis my friend and true it is the approach I am talking about too. Changes are good and required in human beings as it makes you a better person but it is the freedom of choices which I want to discuss. I would love to change some of the things she pointed out but not those which I love about me. And at this point it should be some adjustment from her part not force me to make changes.

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Tue 01/19/16 08:57 PM



It's like buying a car and then wanting to put upgrades on it. It's a way of personalizing your new ride, so to speak. :wink:


But still you won`t change the things you loved once in your car. I won`t noway

You mean to tell me you wouldn't replace the stoke stereo if it didn't have an adapter for your smart phone or MP4 player?

Well if I love that stereo, I will try to find some other ways to add the adapter and replacing it would be my last choice. I don`t want to make changes to stuff which I love drinker

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