Topic: Neocons Hate & Fear Trump
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Tue 05/31/16 02:41 AM
Edited by SassyEuro2 on Tue 05/31/16 02:47 AM
Why the Neocons Hate and Fear Donald Trump

It has also been ridiculed as confusing and contradictory.

Thank you to all for the wonderful reviews of my foreign policy speech. I will soon be speaking in great detail on numerous other topics!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) 28 April 2016

​This is a misrepresentation. Whilst Trump did not provide a detailed programme — to have done so in the middle of an election would have been unwise — his underlying message is clear enough.

The economy is bad and getting worse-almost ZERO growth this quarter. Nobody can beat me on the economy (and jobs). MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) 30 April 2016

​Instead of a foreign policy based on an ideology centred on US world hegemony, "exceptionalism" and "democracy promotion" Trump promises a foreign policy straightforwardly based on the pursuit of US national interests.

To understand what that would mean in practice consider the contrast between what the US public wants and what the US has actually done under successive US administrations.

Whereas the US public since 9/11 has been overwhelmingly focused on jihadi terrorism as the greatest threat to the US, the US foreign policy establishment is only minimally interested in that question. Its priority is to secure US world hegemony by reshaping the world geopolitical map.

​First and foremost that has meant confronting the two great powers — Russia and China — the US sees as the primary obstacle to its hegemony.

It has also meant a series of geopolitical adventures in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria, a protracted confrontation with Iran, and head on collisions with Russia and China in Ukraine and the South China Sea.

The US public for its part has shown little or no enthusiasm for any of these projects.

By contrast the US foreign policy establishment has show little enthusiasm for confronting the Islamic State/Daesh.

The military campaign it is purporting to wage against the Islamic State is essentially a "going through the motions" public relations exercise. The real fight against the Islamic State is being fought by Iran and Russia.

Elsewhere — in Chechnya, Libya and Syria — the US has willingly collaborated with jihadi terrorists to achieve its geopolitical goals.

Trump threatens to turn all this on its head.

In place of confrontation with Russia and China he says he wants to cut deals with them calculating — rightly — that they are no threat to the US.

In place of collaboration with jihadi terrorism he promises a single-minded focus on its destruction.

Other pillars of current US foreign policy are also challenged.

Whereas the ideologues currently in charge of US foreign policy treat US allies as ideological soulmates in a quest to spread "Western values" (ie. US hegemony), Trump sees the US's relationship with its allies as transactional: the US will help them if they help themselves, with no sense of this being part of some ideological common cause.

Having dumped the ideology and the foreign policy that goes with it Trump, promises to focus on sorting out the US's internal problems, which is where the US public's priorities also lie.

Trump expresses himself in often crude language eg. threatening to "carpet bomb" the Islamic State.

He is not coherent. He continues to talk of Iran as an enemy — ignoring the fact that it is as much a potential partner of the US as Russia and China are.

Some of the things Trump says — for example his talk of embracing torture — are frankly disturbing.

It remains to be seen whether a President Trump if elected would be either willing or able — as he promises — to change the entire foreign policy direction of the US.

The fact however remains that Trump has challenged the ideological foundations upon which US foreign policy is built whilst offering an alternative that has elicited a powerful response from the US public.

That is why the US political establishment is so alarmed by him.

http://sputniknews.com/columnists/20160502/1038945054/us-trump-neocons-power.html/

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msharmony's photo
Tue 05/31/16 05:48 AM
silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country

mightymoe's photo
Tue 05/31/16 07:22 AM

silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country


now you know why some of us hate obama... you just described him to a t!...

msharmony's photo
Wed 06/01/16 05:48 AM


silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country


now you know why some of us hate obama... you just described him to a t!...



yes, I cant even count how many times he has called people names and insulted their handicaps and appearance ,,,

or behaved like a child if anyone gave it back to him threatening to sue


or boasted about what his females look like and how bad other females look,,, oh wait,, he has had one wife since college ,,,,lol



whoa


the man cant even get away with saying that his son, if he had one, would like like a black male,,,

imagine him saying 'some' Mexicans 'might' be decent and retweeting that most whites are raping black women


rofl rofl rofl

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Wed 06/01/16 08:10 AM



silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country


now you know why some of us hate obama... you just described him to a t!...



yes, I cant even count how many times he has called people names and insulted their handicaps and appearance ,,,

or behaved like a child if anyone gave it back to him threatening to sue


or boasted about what his females look like and how bad other females look,,, oh wait,, he has had one wife since college ,,,,lol



whoa


the man cant even get away with saying that his son, if he had one, would like like a black male,,,

imagine him saying 'some' Mexicans 'might' be decent and retweeting that most whites are raping black women


rofl rofl rofl


Harmony, booms that one outta the park!

mightymoe's photo
Wed 06/01/16 08:38 AM



silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country


now you know why some of us hate obama... you just described him to a t!...



yes, I cant even count how many times he has called people names and insulted their handicaps and appearance ,,,

or behaved like a child if anyone gave it back to him threatening to sue


or boasted about what his females look like and how bad other females look,,, oh wait,, he has had one wife since college ,,,,lol



whoa


the man cant even get away with saying that his son, if he had one, would like like a black male,,,

imagine him saying 'some' Mexicans 'might' be decent and retweeting that most whites are raping black women


rofl rofl rofl


and trump did none of those things... just made up fantasies from the liberals such as obarry...

his son, that he spoke highly of, was a drug dealing thug that was kicked out of his own home because his real father couldn't deal with him anymore... once obarry found that out, he quietly swept his "fathering" speeches under the rug... arrogance and extremeism?

"Last week President Obama and Vice President Biden both marked the “International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia” by making silly, condescending statements. Lost amidst the hoopla were the implications of the statement made by VP Biden, who seemingly argued that the “rights” of homosexuals were being violated by the simple fact that Christianity continues to exist. In fact, the VP argued that liberals would not rest until they put an end to the “hatred” of “religious condemnation” toward deviant sexuality.

Yes, folks. Today in America, the simple fact that we Christians exist means that gays rights are being “violated.”


Christians, who just wanna believe what they want, but not muslims, who kill gays by throwing them off rooftops...


http://eaglerising.com/33778/joe-biden-christians-violate-gay-rights-simply-by-existing/

so chew on that for a while, while you tell us how bad trump is...

msharmony's photo
Wed 06/01/16 07:15 PM




silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country


now you know why some of us hate obama... you just described him to a t!...



yes, I cant even count how many times he has called people names and insulted their handicaps and appearance ,,,

or behaved like a child if anyone gave it back to him threatening to sue


or boasted about what his females look like and how bad other females look,,, oh wait,, he has had one wife since college ,,,,lol



whoa


the man cant even get away with saying that his son, if he had one, would like like a black male,,,

imagine him saying 'some' Mexicans 'might' be decent and retweeting that most whites are raping black women


rofl rofl rofl


and trump did none of those things... just made up fantasies from the liberals such as obarry...

his son, that he spoke highly of, was a drug dealing thug that was kicked out of his own home because his real father couldn't deal with him anymore... once obarry found that out, he quietly swept his "fathering" speeches under the rug... arrogance and extremeism?

"Last week President Obama and Vice President Biden both marked the “International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia” by making silly, condescending statements. Lost amidst the hoopla were the implications of the statement made by VP Biden, who seemingly argued that the “rights” of homosexuals were being violated by the simple fact that Christianity continues to exist. In fact, the VP argued that liberals would not rest until they put an end to the “hatred” of “religious condemnation” toward deviant sexuality.

Yes, folks. Today in America, the simple fact that we Christians exist means that gays rights are being “violated.”


Christians, who just wanna believe what they want, but not muslims, who kill gays by throwing them off rooftops...


http://eaglerising.com/33778/joe-biden-christians-violate-gay-rights-simply-by-existing/

so chew on that for a while, while you tell us how bad trump is...




paraphrasing spin without quotes is nothing to chew on , unlike the times trump NEVER called names


on Karl Rove: 'loser' 'irrelevant clown'

on john mccain 'dummy'

ariana huff 'liberal clown'


and on, and on , and on

very mature and presidentialwhoa

mightymoe's photo
Wed 06/01/16 07:25 PM





silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country


now you know why some of us hate obama... you just described him to a t!...



yes, I cant even count how many times he has called people names and insulted their handicaps and appearance ,,,

or behaved like a child if anyone gave it back to him threatening to sue


or boasted about what his females look like and how bad other females look,,, oh wait,, he has had one wife since college ,,,,lol



whoa


the man cant even get away with saying that his son, if he had one, would like like a black male,,,

imagine him saying 'some' Mexicans 'might' be decent and retweeting that most whites are raping black women


rofl rofl rofl


and trump did none of those things... just made up fantasies from the liberals such as obarry...

his son, that he spoke highly of, was a drug dealing thug that was kicked out of his own home because his real father couldn't deal with him anymore... once obarry found that out, he quietly swept his "fathering" speeches under the rug... arrogance and extremeism?

"Last week President Obama and Vice President Biden both marked the “International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia” by making silly, condescending statements. Lost amidst the hoopla were the implications of the statement made by VP Biden, who seemingly argued that the “rights” of homosexuals were being violated by the simple fact that Christianity continues to exist. In fact, the VP argued that liberals would not rest until they put an end to the “hatred” of “religious condemnation” toward deviant sexuality.

Yes, folks. Today in America, the simple fact that we Christians exist means that gays rights are being “violated.”


Christians, who just wanna believe what they want, but not muslims, who kill gays by throwing them off rooftops...


http://eaglerising.com/33778/joe-biden-christians-violate-gay-rights-simply-by-existing/

so chew on that for a while, while you tell us how bad trump is...




paraphrasing spin without quotes is nothing to chew on , unlike the times trump NEVER called names


on Karl Rove: 'loser' 'irrelevant clown'

on john mccain 'dummy'

ariana huff 'liberal clown'


and on, and on , and on

very mature and presidentialwhoa


so no reply to what i typed, but about how i typed it...

more liberal spin tries??laugh laugh

msharmony's photo
Wed 06/01/16 07:32 PM






silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country


now you know why some of us hate obama... you just described him to a t!...



yes, I cant even count how many times he has called people names and insulted their handicaps and appearance ,,,

or behaved like a child if anyone gave it back to him threatening to sue


or boasted about what his females look like and how bad other females look,,, oh wait,, he has had one wife since college ,,,,lol



whoa


the man cant even get away with saying that his son, if he had one, would like like a black male,,,

imagine him saying 'some' Mexicans 'might' be decent and retweeting that most whites are raping black women


rofl rofl rofl


and trump did none of those things... just made up fantasies from the liberals such as obarry...

his son, that he spoke highly of, was a drug dealing thug that was kicked out of his own home because his real father couldn't deal with him anymore... once obarry found that out, he quietly swept his "fathering" speeches under the rug... arrogance and extremeism?

"Last week President Obama and Vice President Biden both marked the “International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia” by making silly, condescending statements. Lost amidst the hoopla were the implications of the statement made by VP Biden, who seemingly argued that the “rights” of homosexuals were being violated by the simple fact that Christianity continues to exist. In fact, the VP argued that liberals would not rest until they put an end to the “hatred” of “religious condemnation” toward deviant sexuality.

Yes, folks. Today in America, the simple fact that we Christians exist means that gays rights are being “violated.”


Christians, who just wanna believe what they want, but not muslims, who kill gays by throwing them off rooftops...


http://eaglerising.com/33778/joe-biden-christians-violate-gay-rights-simply-by-existing/

so chew on that for a while, while you tell us how bad trump is...




paraphrasing spin without quotes is nothing to chew on , unlike the times trump NEVER called names


on Karl Rove: 'loser' 'irrelevant clown'

on john mccain 'dummy'

ariana huff 'liberal clown'


and on, and on , and on

very mature and presidentialwhoa


so no reply to what i typed, but about how i typed it...

more liberal spin tries??laugh laugh




no spin, just straight talk

your post about biden and Obama in response to mine was irrelevant to my post , that was my response

your post replying that trump didn't do what I posted was responded to with quotes of the names he has called


mightymoe's photo
Wed 06/01/16 07:44 PM







silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country


now you know why some of us hate obama... you just described him to a t!...



yes, I cant even count how many times he has called people names and insulted their handicaps and appearance ,,,

or behaved like a child if anyone gave it back to him threatening to sue


or boasted about what his females look like and how bad other females look,,, oh wait,, he has had one wife since college ,,,,lol



whoa


the man cant even get away with saying that his son, if he had one, would like like a black male,,,

imagine him saying 'some' Mexicans 'might' be decent and retweeting that most whites are raping black women


rofl rofl rofl


and trump did none of those things... just made up fantasies from the liberals such as obarry...

his son, that he spoke highly of, was a drug dealing thug that was kicked out of his own home because his real father couldn't deal with him anymore... once obarry found that out, he quietly swept his "fathering" speeches under the rug... arrogance and extremeism?

"Last week President Obama and Vice President Biden both marked the “International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia” by making silly, condescending statements. Lost amidst the hoopla were the implications of the statement made by VP Biden, who seemingly argued that the “rights” of homosexuals were being violated by the simple fact that Christianity continues to exist. In fact, the VP argued that liberals would not rest until they put an end to the “hatred” of “religious condemnation” toward deviant sexuality.

Yes, folks. Today in America, the simple fact that we Christians exist means that gays rights are being “violated.”


Christians, who just wanna believe what they want, but not muslims, who kill gays by throwing them off rooftops...


http://eaglerising.com/33778/joe-biden-christians-violate-gay-rights-simply-by-existing/

so chew on that for a while, while you tell us how bad trump is...




paraphrasing spin without quotes is nothing to chew on , unlike the times trump NEVER called names


on Karl Rove: 'loser' 'irrelevant clown'

on john mccain 'dummy'

ariana huff 'liberal clown'


and on, and on , and on

very mature and presidentialwhoa


so no reply to what i typed, but about how i typed it...

more liberal spin tries??laugh laugh




no spin, just straight talk

your post about biden and Obama in response to mine was irrelevant to my post , that was my response

your post replying that trump didn't do what I posted was responded to with quotes of the names he has called




it really doesn't matter, when trump gets sworn in, he will start undoing the 8 longs years of obarry's idiocracy, so obarry will barely be a note in a history book in Canada...

msharmony's photo
Wed 06/01/16 07:49 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 06/01/16 07:49 PM








silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country


now you know why some of us hate obama... you just described him to a t!...



yes, I cant even count how many times he has called people names and insulted their handicaps and appearance ,,,

or behaved like a child if anyone gave it back to him threatening to sue


or boasted about what his females look like and how bad other females look,,, oh wait,, he has had one wife since college ,,,,lol



whoa


the man cant even get away with saying that his son, if he had one, would like like a black male,,,

imagine him saying 'some' Mexicans 'might' be decent and retweeting that most whites are raping black women


rofl rofl rofl


and trump did none of those things... just made up fantasies from the liberals such as obarry...

his son, that he spoke highly of, was a drug dealing thug that was kicked out of his own home because his real father couldn't deal with him anymore... once obarry found that out, he quietly swept his "fathering" speeches under the rug... arrogance and extremeism?

"Last week President Obama and Vice President Biden both marked the “International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia” by making silly, condescending statements. Lost amidst the hoopla were the implications of the statement made by VP Biden, who seemingly argued that the “rights” of homosexuals were being violated by the simple fact that Christianity continues to exist. In fact, the VP argued that liberals would not rest until they put an end to the “hatred” of “religious condemnation” toward deviant sexuality.

Yes, folks. Today in America, the simple fact that we Christians exist means that gays rights are being “violated.”


Christians, who just wanna believe what they want, but not muslims, who kill gays by throwing them off rooftops...


http://eaglerising.com/33778/joe-biden-christians-violate-gay-rights-simply-by-existing/

so chew on that for a while, while you tell us how bad trump is...




paraphrasing spin without quotes is nothing to chew on , unlike the times trump NEVER called names


on Karl Rove: 'loser' 'irrelevant clown'

on john mccain 'dummy'

ariana huff 'liberal clown'


and on, and on , and on

very mature and presidentialwhoa


so no reply to what i typed, but about how i typed it...

more liberal spin tries??laugh laugh




no spin, just straight talk

your post about biden and Obama in response to mine was irrelevant to my post , that was my response

your post replying that trump didn't do what I posted was responded to with quotes of the names he has called




it really doesn't matter, when trump gets sworn in, he will start undoing the 8 longs years of obarry's idiocracy, so obarry will barely be a note in a history book in Canada...


nah,he will hire/appoint others to carry out his ideas, blame them when things don't work, and boast about himself when they do



mightymoe's photo
Wed 06/01/16 07:54 PM









silly people hate strangers,, even famous ones

reasonable people fear consequences


someone being different is a silly reason to discount them

someones difference being arrogance,,pompousness, rudeness, childishness, narcissism , history of failure on their own cognizance and tackiness despite wealth and age

is a good reason to be fearful of where said person would 'lead' a country


now you know why some of us hate obama... you just described him to a t!...



yes, I cant even count how many times he has called people names and insulted their handicaps and appearance ,,,

or behaved like a child if anyone gave it back to him threatening to sue


or boasted about what his females look like and how bad other females look,,, oh wait,, he has had one wife since college ,,,,lol



whoa


the man cant even get away with saying that his son, if he had one, would like like a black male,,,

imagine him saying 'some' Mexicans 'might' be decent and retweeting that most whites are raping black women


rofl rofl rofl


and trump did none of those things... just made up fantasies from the liberals such as obarry...

his son, that he spoke highly of, was a drug dealing thug that was kicked out of his own home because his real father couldn't deal with him anymore... once obarry found that out, he quietly swept his "fathering" speeches under the rug... arrogance and extremeism?

"Last week President Obama and Vice President Biden both marked the “International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia” by making silly, condescending statements. Lost amidst the hoopla were the implications of the statement made by VP Biden, who seemingly argued that the “rights” of homosexuals were being violated by the simple fact that Christianity continues to exist. In fact, the VP argued that liberals would not rest until they put an end to the “hatred” of “religious condemnation” toward deviant sexuality.

Yes, folks. Today in America, the simple fact that we Christians exist means that gays rights are being “violated.”


Christians, who just wanna believe what they want, but not muslims, who kill gays by throwing them off rooftops...


http://eaglerising.com/33778/joe-biden-christians-violate-gay-rights-simply-by-existing/

so chew on that for a while, while you tell us how bad trump is...




paraphrasing spin without quotes is nothing to chew on , unlike the times trump NEVER called names


on Karl Rove: 'loser' 'irrelevant clown'

on john mccain 'dummy'

ariana huff 'liberal clown'


and on, and on , and on

very mature and presidentialwhoa


so no reply to what i typed, but about how i typed it...

more liberal spin tries??laugh laugh




no spin, just straight talk

your post about biden and Obama in response to mine was irrelevant to my post , that was my response

your post replying that trump didn't do what I posted was responded to with quotes of the names he has called




it really doesn't matter, when trump gets sworn in, he will start undoing the 8 longs years of obarry's idiocracy, so obarry will barely be a note in a history book in Canada...


nah,he will hire/appoint others to carry out his ideas, blame them when things don't work, and boast about himself when they do





woohoo! the American way!!

msharmony's photo
Wed 06/01/16 08:00 PM
laugh laugh laugh

gotta laugh to keep from crying,,,

mightymoe's photo
Wed 06/01/16 08:57 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Wed 06/01/16 08:58 PM

laugh laugh laugh

gotta laugh to keep from crying,,,

we survived 8(depressing) years of obarry, you'll survive a few years of trump...

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Wed 06/01/16 09:20 PM


laugh laugh laugh

gotta laugh to keep from crying,,,

we survived 8(depressing) years of obarry, you'll survive a few years of trump...


And no one responded on topic either.
Did the word Neocon need to be defined for the Dems?

::laughing: Too funny