Topic: What is the Clinton economic plan? More of the same!
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Sat 06/25/16 07:35 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sat 06/25/16 07:53 AM

Hillary: I'll Fix Obama's Lousy Economy By Applying More Of His Failed Policies

If you want to know how bankrupt the Democratic Party is today of pro-growth ideas, check out Hillary Clinton's latest speech on the economy. She has absolutely nothing new to offer that President Obama hasn't already tried.

Clinton admits in her speech that things aren't all they should be in the economy after seven-plus year of Obamanomics. "The challenges we face are significant," she said. She even took a couple subtle digs at Obama, complaining about "long-term neglect" of poor communities and the fact that the unemployment gap between blacks and whites has been widening, whereas it was narrowing when her husband was in the White House.

So what are the "big, bold" ideas she said she'd implement that will "drive growth"? Spend more money on infrastructure, raise taxes on the rich, impose more mandates on businesses that raise the cost of labor, make college cheaper and saddle the economy with more regulations.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/hillary-promises-to-fix-obamas-economic-malaise-with-more-failed-obama-policies/

She admits she doesn't have a clue to fix the economy! She's even stated she'll kill more jobs..... like her coal speech....

She says she'll let Wild Willie handle it (FAIL! His policies were mostly rewritten bills of the House and Senate).

And she says electing Trump who has created thousands upon thousands of jobs and generated Billions of dollars in wealth for himself in the process, in one of the most difficult and regulated economies in the 50 states, is a dangerous option for the economy...... while she has never created a single job

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Sat 06/25/16 07:55 AM
more Thievery by the "Elite"-Moochers!

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Sat 06/25/16 08:15 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sat 06/25/16 08:16 AM

She is the definition of "corruption", "elite", "establishment", or "the 1%" that liberals wail against while blindly backing and attempting to defend her.

No "hope and change" here by ANY definition, but most definitely an "I'm with her" since it is "ALL ABOUT HER" and would do nothing for anyone she claims to want to help. However, foreign powers, her corporate, union, and banker backers, and the failed policies of the corrupt DC establishment that created the inequality problems in the first place would be able to continue their abuse under her watch!

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Sat 06/25/16 08:27 AM
When it comes to the economy, it doesn't matter who wins the Presidency. The President can make speeches, but nothing else. It's Congress who decides what is or isn't actually done.

Both the main candidates have agendas that the current majority in the House and Senate have declared they will obstruct.

By the way, minor note: referring to the last eight years as the result of "Obamanomics" is silly. He was blocked from doing 90% of what he proposed. A better description would be "political-impass-onomics, with Republican concepts taking the lead." The reason why I say the Republican ideas took the lead, is because they forced Obama and the Democrats to give them ALL the tax breaks they wanted, and gave back nothing at all in exchange.

And no, I'm NOT saying that everything that has and hasn't happened is the GOP's fault, especially since their primary mode for the last thirty years has been "cut taxes on the top earners, and refuse to address any problems at all otherwise." When someone refuses to enact any actions at all, you can't blame them for EVERYTHING. Plus the Democrats chose actively to go along with that inaction, including Obama himself. Notice that he never even TRIED to use the Presidential "bully pulpit" to fight against the Republican obstructionism. So he and the Democrats are equally to blame.

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Sat 06/25/16 08:46 AM

When it comes to the economy, it doesn't matter who wins the Presidency. The President can make speeches, but nothing else. It's Congress who decides what is or isn't actually done.

Both the main candidates have agendas that the current majority in the House and Senate have declared they will obstruct.

By the way, minor note: referring to the last eight years as the result of "Obamanomics" is silly. He was blocked from doing 90% of what he proposed. A better description would be "political-impass-onomics, with Republican concepts taking the lead." The reason why I say the Republican ideas took the lead, is because they forced Obama and the Democrats to give them ALL the tax breaks they wanted, and gave back nothing at all in exchange.

And no, I'm NOT saying that everything that has and hasn't happened is the GOP's fault, especially since their primary mode for the last thirty years has been "cut taxes on the top earners, and refuse to address any problems at all otherwise." When someone refuses to enact any actions at all, you can't blame them for EVERYTHING. Plus the Democrats chose actively to go along with that inaction, including Obama himself. Notice that he never even TRIED to use the Presidential "bully pulpit" to fight against the Republican obstructionism. So he and the Democrats are equally to blame.


For the first 2 years of his presidency the Dems controlled it all and still nothing was done. But now with the repukes controlling it seems the Dums wish to now make everything an issue and blame it on the repukes for the inaction.

I do agree with you on that regard, but it does go to the point of "too much govt" since they seem to get in the way of getting anything done other than a bunch of finger pointing.

Both parties have earned their 7% approval rating because of their disconnect from the American people and the problems facing them.

How does a millionaire denizen of DC, protected by armed security and living in protected upper class neighborhoods pretend to know the problems in our inner cities, the true nature of hunger, security, the job market, or the effects of the economy on the everyman on the streets?

They vote themselves raises, healthcare, retirement and bonus packages, mingle only with others outside the norm like lobbyists, CEOs, movie stars and bankers with deep pockets and an agenda...... while claiming to know what's best for the people.

This is the definition of disconnect!

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Sat 06/25/16 08:52 AM
Dems controlled it all and still nothing was done
Oh yea something WAS done....that abortion of a healthcare law. The dems hafta own that one.

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Sat 06/25/16 08:54 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sat 06/25/16 09:12 AM

Dems controlled it all and still nothing was done
Oh yea something WAS done....that abortion of a healthcare law. The dems hafta own that one.

you mean the one:"You have to vote for it before you can read it?"

noway spock

http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2009/07/27/rep-conyers-dont-read-the-bill/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACbwND52rrw

laugh

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Sat 06/25/16 09:09 AM

Dems controlled it all and still nothing was done
Oh yea something WAS done....that abortion of a healthcare law. The dems hafta own that one.


Yep! We could of had immigration reform but instead we got the job killing Obozocare shoved down our throats!




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Sat 06/25/16 09:18 AM

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Sat 06/25/16 09:56 AM


When it comes to the economy, it doesn't matter who wins the Presidency. The President can make speeches, but nothing else. It's Congress who decides what is or isn't actually done.

Both the main candidates have agendas that the current majority in the House and Senate have declared they will obstruct.

By the way, minor note: referring to the last eight years as the result of "Obamanomics" is silly. He was blocked from doing 90% of what he proposed. A better description would be "political-impass-onomics, with Republican concepts taking the lead." The reason why I say the Republican ideas took the lead, is because they forced Obama and the Democrats to give them ALL the tax breaks they wanted, and gave back nothing at all in exchange.

And no, I'm NOT saying that everything that has and hasn't happened is the GOP's fault, especially since their primary mode for the last thirty years has been "cut taxes on the top earners, and refuse to address any problems at all otherwise." When someone refuses to enact any actions at all, you can't blame them for EVERYTHING. Plus the Democrats chose actively to go along with that inaction, including Obama himself. Notice that he never even TRIED to use the Presidential "bully pulpit" to fight against the Republican obstructionism. So he and the Democrats are equally to blame.


For the first 2 years of his presidency the Dems controlled it all and still nothing was done. But now with the repukes controlling it seems the Dums wish to now make everything an issue and blame it on the repukes for the inaction.

I do agree with you on that regard, but it does go to the point of "too much govt" since they seem to get in the way of getting anything done other than a bunch of finger pointing.

Both parties have earned their 7% approval rating because of their disconnect from the American people and the problems facing them.

How does a millionaire denizen of DC, protected by armed security and living in protected upper class neighborhoods pretend to know the problems in our inner cities, the true nature of hunger, security, the job market, or the effects of the economy on the everyman on the streets?

They vote themselves raises, healthcare, retirement and bonus packages, mingle only with others outside the norm like lobbyists, CEOs, movie stars and bankers with deep pockets and an agenda...... while claiming to know what's best for the people.

This is the definition of disconnect!


I'm with you in everything except the general idea that you seem to be implying, that all the big problems are due to too much government, and that eliminating all of it would fix it.

I think it's much more complicated. I think there are some specific areas where there's way too much government, others where there's not enough, and even more where there needs to be some, but it's been done wrong.

Case by case basis, really. It's a fact that every government regulation came from a situation where unregulated stuff caused big problems. That doesn't mean that ALL regulations are good, especially because as you say (and I agree) there is a huge disconnect between who gets to be in charge, and the bulk of those of us living everyday lives.

What I especially see happen, is that a real problem is caused by some private interest pulling a stunt, or acting irresponsibly, and then the politicians step in, and come up with a regulatory "fix" which either goes overboard, or doesn't actually address the real problem at all.

Each party tends to have their own version of stupid non-solutions. The democrats tend to try to blindly force some sort of good behavior, or to push money out of one groups' hands into another, while failing to appreciate even the fundamentals of how people interact. The Republicans do a variation of the same thing, only they are convinced that being rich, magically makes someone smarter and more right than everyone else, so they try to prevent other people from interfering with the rich guys.

So from Democrats, we get stuff such as laws requiring all employers to do various things for their employees, and because they do a sloppy job of writing them, the employers do the only natural thing in response: outsource everyone, so they aren't employees anymore.

The Republicans step in, and are just as bad in another direction, with ideas like their 90's "solution" for high medical costs: limit how much anyone can sue a doctor for, so that insurance companies MIGHT lower the rates, totally ignoring how capitalism and the profit motive really works. Or, proposing to "fix" competition with overseas markets, by helping American industries to hire everything done in countries with lower cost of living (by eliminating import regulations), while ignoring the fact that that means that no one here will be able to get jobs that pay enough to deal with the cost of living, which they do NOTHING to lower.

I therefore don't support either the Democrats idea of ALL-regulating, and I really hate the Republicans idea of ZERO regulating. I want RIGHT SIZE regulating. Kind of like the story of Goldilocks and the three bears, you know?

We need regulations that are juuuust right.

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Sat 06/25/16 11:01 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sat 06/25/16 11:06 AM

It seems that DC just doesn't get it. Their failed excesses in regulations and policy create the need for more regulation and policy.

They always seem to act out of urgency "after a fact" because they refuse to debate an issue until it becomes a cancer. It's like grocery shopping when you're hungry. You get more junk than what's good for you, microwave fare and sugar laden treats instead of wholesome meals. Corporate pork with the people left wondering "where's the beef?"!

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Sat 06/25/16 11:24 AM
If Government could fix things,don't you think it would have done so by now?spock

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Sat 06/25/16 11:45 AM



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Sat 06/25/16 01:15 PM


When it comes to the economy, it doesn't matter who wins the Presidency. The President can make speeches, but nothing else. It's Congress who decides what is or isn't actually done.

Both the main candidates have agendas that the current majority in the House and Senate have declared they will obstruct.

By the way, minor note: referring to the last eight years as the result of "Obamanomics" is silly. He was blocked from doing 90% of what he proposed. A better description would be "political-impass-onomics, with Republican concepts taking the lead." The reason why I say the Republican ideas took the lead, is because they forced Obama and the Democrats to give them ALL the tax breaks they wanted, and gave back nothing at all in exchange.

And no, I'm NOT saying that everything that has and hasn't happened is the GOP's fault, especially since their primary mode for the last thirty years has been "cut taxes on the top earners, and refuse to address any problems at all otherwise." When someone refuses to enact any actions at all, you can't blame them for EVERYTHING. Plus the Democrats chose actively to go along with that inaction, including Obama himself. Notice that he never even TRIED to use the Presidential "bully pulpit" to fight against the Republican obstructionism. So he and the Democrats are equally to blame.


For the first 2 years of his presidency the Dems controlled it all and still nothing was done. But now with the repukes controlling it seems the Dums wish to now make everything an issue and blame it on the repukes for the inaction.

I do agree with you on that regard, but it does go to the point of "too much govt" since they seem to get in the way of getting anything done other than a bunch of finger pointing.

Both parties have earned their 7% approval rating because of their disconnect from the American people and the problems facing them.

How does a millionaire denizen of DC, protected by armed security and living in protected upper class neighborhoods pretend to know the problems in our inner cities, the true nature of hunger, security, the job market, or the effects of the economy on the everyman on the streets?

They vote themselves raises, healthcare, retirement and bonus packages, mingle only with others outside the norm like lobbyists, CEOs, movie stars and bankers with deep pockets and an agenda...... while claiming to know what's best for the people.

This is the definition of disconnect!


Whoa whoa. The Reptilicans and the Tastycrats have been cock blocking each other for at least 16 years. I say 30. Both parties have sucked. One is not better than the other. And both are not looking out for the Average American. This is the only fact.

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Sat 06/25/16 01:23 PM
And she says electing Trump who has created thousands upon thousands of jobs and generated Billions of dollars in wealth for himself in the process, in one of the most difficult and regulated economies in the 50 states, is a dangerous option for the economy

I think this should be amended to:
"And she says electing Trump, who has created and eliminated thousands upon thousands of jobs, and generated wealth for himself in the process, in one of the most difficult and regulated economies in the 50 states, with the help and support of politicians like Hillary Clinton which he's supported in the past, playing that paying and lobbying for political favor game, is a dangerous option for the economy because people seem to have a weirdly distorted view of Trump, possibly stemming from him being a celebrity and pretending to be anti establishment."

She admits she doesn't have a clue to fix the economy!

Why should she have a clue.
Why should any president have a clue.
I don't remember it being "the executive and economy maintenance branch" of the government.
The president position is not one of "country fixin'."

People that look for a president to fix anything have already failed, and no matter for whom they vote it'll be wrong.

Saying/believing "Hillary can't fix the economy! But Trump can and will!" is just perpetuating the same problem.
Little different than "those voting for the easter bunny are stupid morons that need to die and get out of my country! She only offers eggs and candy! Vote Santa, he employs thousands of elves and creates happiness and holiday unity so he knows what he's doing!"


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Sat 06/25/16 01:45 PM

And she says electing Trump who has created thousands upon thousands of jobs and generated Billions of dollars in wealth for himself in the process, in one of the most difficult and regulated economies in the 50 states, is a dangerous option for the economy

I think this should be amended to:
"And she says electing Trump, who has created and eliminated thousands upon thousands of jobs, and generated wealth for himself in the process, in one of the most difficult and regulated economies in the 50 states, with the help and support of politicians like Hillary Clinton which he's supported in the past, playing that paying and lobbying for political favor game, is a dangerous option for the economy because people seem to have a weirdly distorted view of Trump, possibly stemming from him being a celebrity and pretending to be anti establishment."

She admits she doesn't have a clue to fix the economy!

Why should she have a clue.
Why should any president have a clue.
I don't remember it being "the executive and economy maintenance branch" of the government.
The president position is not one of "country fixin'."

People that look for a president to fix anything have already failed, and no matter for whom they vote it'll be wrong.

Saying/believing "Hillary can't fix the economy! But Trump can and will!" is just perpetuating the same problem.
Little different than "those voting for the easter bunny are stupid morons that need to die and get out of my country! She only offers eggs and candy! Vote Santa, he employs thousands of elves and creates happiness and holiday unity so he knows what he's doing!"




It's all about policy and appointments.... unless a liberal socialist is in the WH. Then it's all about whose money can we steal next to support unfunded and unsustainable entitlements while governing by executive fiat to bypass the peoples congress. Not that congress has done anything to stop it.....

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Sat 06/25/16 01:50 PM


And she says electing Trump who has created thousands upon thousands of jobs and generated Billions of dollars in wealth for himself in the process, in one of the most difficult and regulated economies in the 50 states, is a dangerous option for the economy

I think this should be amended to:
"And she says electing Trump, who has created and eliminated thousands upon thousands of jobs, and generated wealth for himself in the process, in one of the most difficult and regulated economies in the 50 states, with the help and support of politicians like Hillary Clinton which he's supported in the past, playing that paying and lobbying for political favor game, is a dangerous option for the economy because people seem to have a weirdly distorted view of Trump, possibly stemming from him being a celebrity and pretending to be anti establishment."

She admits she doesn't have a clue to fix the economy!

Why should she have a clue.
Why should any president have a clue.
I don't remember it being "the executive and economy maintenance branch" of the government.
The president position is not one of "country fixin'."

People that look for a president to fix anything have already failed, and no matter for whom they vote it'll be wrong.

Saying/believing "Hillary can't fix the economy! But Trump can and will!" is just perpetuating the same problem.
Little different than "those voting for the easter bunny are stupid morons that need to die and get out of my country! She only offers eggs and candy! Vote Santa, he employs thousands of elves and creates happiness and holiday unity so he knows what he's doing!"




It's all about policy and appointments.... unless a liberal socialist is in the WH. Then it's all about whose money can we steal next to support unfunded and unsustainable entitlements while governing by executive fiat to bypass the peoples congress. Not that congress has done anything to stop it.....

none of them should have that kind of power!