Topic: what muslim worship
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Fri 11/09/07 02:27 PM
Who Do Muslim Worship ?


The submission of man to his Creator is the essence of Islam. The word "Islam" literally means, "to submit" or "to surrender. "The real question one should ask is: "submit and surrender" to whom? Muslims submit and surrender their will and desires to the will and the laws of the Creator. This is what "Islam" truly means. By referring to, "The Creator", Muslims are talking about "Allah."

Allah is the Creator of all that is in the heavens and the earth. In Islam, Allah is the True and Only Creator, and only he deserves to be worshipped. Nothing else is worthy of worship; not stones, statues, crosses, tombs (of any religion), the sun, the moon, stars, temples, animals, Prophets (from any religion), messengers, saints, priests, movie stars, musicians, athletes, or religious scholars. All of those are created beings, and are not worthy of worship in Islam. In fact, doing that is to associate partners with Allah, and it is the only sin that would never be forgiven on the Day of Judgment.

Allah is the Arabic word for God. This is the way all Arab Jews, Christians and Muslims call God. Allah is the personal name of God, which He gave to Himself in the Qur'an. The Qur'an is the last and final revelation from Allah to mankind, that Allah gave to Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu alayhe wa sallam, through the Angel Gabriel. The name "Allah" is unique. It has no feminine or masculine form (unlike 'god' or 'goddess'). It also has no plural form (unlike 'gods' and goddesses'). The name "Allah" simply means "The One and Only True God."

The name "Allah" was not a name invented by the Arabs. It has been the name of God since the beginning of time. In the Torah, we can easily find the name that God gave Himself, "Elah", or in some cases, "Eloh" (Elohim -[im] being a form of respect in the Hebrew language). It was also used in the Aramaic language, which was the language spoken by our beloved Prophet Jesus, alayhes salam.

The Creator, Allah, has perfect attributes. He is the First; there was none before Him, and He is the Last. Allah is the Ever-living; everything will end in death, except Him. He is the Protecting Friend and to Him is the Final Return, where everything will be dealt with and judged in the Most Perfect and Just way.

Muslims are confident of the Just and Perfect Judgment of Allah, The Creator, because He tells us repeatedly in the Qur'an that He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, and perfectly just.

Allah also tells us in the Qur'an, that He does not beget, nor is He begotten. Begetting offspring, eating and sleeping are all characteristics of created things. Compare this, for example, to the Biblical ideas of God resting on the seventh day of creation, and begetting a son.

Muslims believe that Allah does not have the characteristics of people, animals or any created things. Muslims also believe that Allah is All- Powerful and able to do all things, He merely says to it "Be" and it is. Such as the case of the miraculous birth of Prophet Jesus, alayhes salam, and when Allah created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them.

The most important point about Islamic worship is to understand that Muslims worship One God only. This pure and simple message of Islam has remained unchanged since the first man walked on earth. From the Prophet Moses, alayhes salam, calling out to his people, "Hear 'O Israel: The Lord our God is One" [Deuteronomy 6:4 (English-KJV)]; to Prophet Jesus, alayhes salam, teaching and reprimanding his disciples, "Why does thou callest me good? There is none good but one, that is, God" [Matthew 19: 17; Mark 10: 18; Luke 18: 19 (English-KJV)]; to the last messenger of monotheism who came with the final revelation from God proclaiming, "Your God is One God, there is none who has the right to be worshipped but He, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful" [Qur'an 2: 163].

Allah, The One. This is whom over one-billion Muslims across the world pray to five times each day.

The declaration of faith for one who wants to embrace Islam is: "Ashadu Alla Ilaha Illallah wa ashhadu anna Muhammadan rasoolullah", which means when translated to English: "There is nothing worthy of worship but Allah; alone, and Muhammad is His Messenger."

This simple, yet profound belief is what draws thousands of Westerners and people from all walks of life, religions, cultural and ethnic backgrounds to Islam every year and has made the religion of Islam the fastest growing religion on earth today.




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Fri 11/09/07 02:30 PM
Tru tru!

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Fri 11/09/07 02:37 PM
Thanks for the info but I'll stick ith what I believe..............enjoy the Muslim Faithflowerforyou

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Fri 11/09/07 02:45 PM
I have a copy of the Koran, and I would like you to point out specific passages used by Muslims when they seem to think they are on what the news media calls the "Jihad." Mostly I would like you to explain why, if this murdering and bombing of innocent people is NOT true Islam, then why aren't the leaders of this great religion standing up and making it clear that this activity is NOT true Islam?

I have heard it explained by many that the extremists who are doing the murdering and killing and bombing have been taught by bad teachers who did not understand true Islam.

If this is the case, then state your case here in defense of Islam and please tell me specifically, from passages in the Koran, why these extremists are wrong, and why this is not to be viewed as "true Islam."

Here is a chance to set the record straight for your religion, and I ask with very sincere motives, truly wanting you to explain what is going on from a religious aspect.

I can say this, most of the world views Islam as a murderous and rampantly very violent religion. Is this true, and can you supply readings from your religious book as to why this is or is not true.

I don't expect any blames to be put on any other religion, any other government, or any other thing. This is where you, as a Muslim, can stand up for true Islam if you so choose, and explain why these Jihadists are wrong. Or, if you agree that Islam is a murderous religion, please tell us why.

You seem to be willing to promote true Islam, and world events have scarred the reputation of this "rapidly growing" religion.

I want to know how and why Muslims began to be viewed as murders, and if all Muslims are not suicide bombers and murders, please tell us why and how this became to be in the true world view of Islam.

Is Islam truly an extremely violent and treacherous religion...? Or is it a peaceful way to communicate with the Creator?

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Fri 11/09/07 02:51 PM
The Sun is the universal creator of life. Sorry!

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Fri 11/09/07 02:56 PM
glasses My deep respects for all people of faith no matter what that is...I posted a photo that a friend that plays on the belief of the 10 vestil virgins that "some people believe in" No disrepect to the koran or its beliefs. It was all a joke!:smile:

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Fri 11/09/07 03:05 PM
Man has used ALL religions for the justification of Killing ... Including Christianity ....read about the Crusades, Inquistions ect ect .... It would make these jihadists look like boy scouts.

Believe what ya believe ... but one great guy said it best :heart: Love your Neighbor :heart:

If you can do that ... it'll all work out in the end happy

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Fri 11/09/07 03:39 PM
kerouacfan,

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read about the Crusades, Inquistions ect ect .... It would make these jihadists look like boy scouts.
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Not trying to sidetrack the thread, but that's completely false. There is little doubt that if not for the crusades, we would all be reading the Koran and praying five times a day. The almost the whole middle east, except for Saudi Arabia, was Christian. The Christians and Jews living in the Middle East were tortured, killed and forcibly converted to Islam. Then the Muslims moved north into Italy, France, Albania and Spain. They murdered and raped hundreds of thousands. The only thing that stopped the Muslims was the Crusades. Yes, the crusades were violent, but they were necessary to stop the Muslims from taking over all of Europe. By the start of the Crusades, Two thirds of the Christian world had been overtaken by Muslim invaders. This is all accepted history. Meanwhile, the Inquisitions resulted in around 3,000 deaths. I hope you can see that you have been fooled by whatever sources you have been reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

http://www.trans4mind.com/counterpoint/madden.shtml

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Fri 11/09/07 03:49 PM
Spider ...I think what you have just said validated my point... People kill other people in the name of religion ?

is that not what I said ?

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Fri 11/09/07 03:52 PM
kerouacfan,

No, you implied that the Crusades and Inquisition were worse than Jihad, which simply isn't true. There is actually no comparison. Jihad was brutal and unprovoked, the Crusades are the only reason the whole world isn't Muslim. The Inquisition was wrong, but only 2,000 to 3,000 people were killed. More than that were killed by Jihad in two hours on 9/11/2001.

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Fri 11/09/07 04:19 PM
Spider ... I implied no such thing .... I was born a Cristian ..went toi Catholic schools and studied the history of the Church ... believeve .. I'm not a fool . lolol The actual numbers just from the Crusades are staggering .. well over 1.5 million with some estimates as high ad 3 million

Crusades (1095-1291)
Estimated totals:
Wertham: 1,000,000
Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed. [http://www.bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html]
Aletheia, The Rationalist's Manual: 5,000,000
Individual Events:
Davies: Crusaders killed up to 8,000 Jews in Rhineland
Paul Johnson A History of the Jews (1987): 1,000 Jewish women in Rhineland comm. suicide to avoid the mob, 1096.
Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, v.5, 6
1st Crusade: 300,000 Eur. k at Battle of Nice [Nicea].
Crusaders vs. Solimon of Roum: 4,000 Christians, 3,000 Moslems
1098, Fall of Antioch: 100,000 Moslems massacred.
50,000 Pilgrims died of disease.
1099, Fall of Jerusalem: 70,000 Moslems massacred.
Siege of Tiberias: 30,000 Christians k.
Siege of Tyre: 1,000 Turks
Richard the Lionhearted executes 3,000 Moslem POWs.
1291: 100,000 Christians k after fall of Acre.
Fall of Christian Antioch: 17,000 massacred.
[TOTAL: 677,000 listed in these episodes here.]
Catholic Encyclopedia (1910) [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/]
Jaffa: 20,000 Christians massacred, 1197
Sorokin estimates that French, English & Imperial German Crusaders lost a total of 3,600 in battle.
1st C (1096-99): 400
2nd C (1147-49): 750
3rd C (1189-91): 930
4th C (1202-04): 120
5th C (1228-29): 600
7th C (1248-54): 700
James Trager, The People's Chronology (1992)
1099: Crusaders slaughter 40,000 inhabs of Jerusalem. Dis/starv reduced Crusaders from 300,000 to 60,000.
1147: 2nd Crusades begins with 500,000. "Most" lost to starv./disease/battle.
1190: 500 Jews massacred in York.
1192: 3rd Crusade reduced from 100,000 to 5,000 through famine, plagues and desertions in campaign vs Antioch.
1212: Children's Crusade loses some 50,000.
[TOTAL: Just in these incidents, it appears the Europeans lost around 650,000.]
TOTAL: When I take all the individual death tolls listed here, weed out the duplicates, fill in the blanks, apply Occam ("Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate"), etc. I get a very rough total of 1½ M deaths in the Crusades.


And tell me Spider.... what favors did the Christian missionaries do to the "uncivilized" peoples of the world" ... say in the Inca empire ? Or anyother lands they may have conqueored.... How about the American Indian ? How many of them were murdered for the sake of the Cross ?

While I am a Christian .. I know for a fact once man has his say in matters...it usually ends up in a blood fest ... You can pick your side ..... I'll just be in my canoe watching the sunrise bigsmile

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Fri 11/09/07 06:07 PM
I figured the person who started this thread has intentions of doing so to promote Islam.

I sincerely want to hear their take on the current killings, bombings and "Jihad" that we hear on the news... specifically the reasons these people kill pertaining to what it is in the Koran they think tells them to kill...

And I want the thread starter to tell me why, if this is not how we are to view true Islam... then why is there no presence in the modern media (to speak of) of any of the Muslim clergy standing up wishing to set the record straight so the (quote unquote) "True Islam" doesn't get confused with what these "Jihadist extremist" seem to think it their version of Islam.

Granted, man kills man for whatever reason... drugs, sex, theft, money... whether it be the Islam religion or any other. If you want to discuss that, maybe you can start another thread instead of hi-jacking this one with yet another Chritian debate.

I want to hear from a true Muslim why the killings and bombings are going on today, and why are they using the Koran to support these events.

If this person wants to tell me who Muslims worship, I want to have some clarification on these matters. It is actually a good opportunity for this person to set the record straight and quote passages from the Koran in support... I sincerely want to know.

Unlike some, who seem to have a passion for arguing religion, I just want to know and hear from a Muslim person... why do these things go on... what is it about the Koran that people are taking out of context in order to get stirred up in a fervor enough to strap TNT to their bodies and run into a building, thus killing themselves and many innocent people.

Is this what Allah wants?

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Fri 11/09/07 06:14 PM
here's a fun fact.

In Hebrew, though spelled slightly different, 'allah' means the curse.

A specific curse.

I find that somewhat alarming and altogether odd!! huh

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Sat 11/10/07 04:47 PM
Hi to everyone all brothers here or sisters.Trul, when i started to put this topic here i wanted build a bridje between cultures specialy our brothers christians,and jews.As a reugular simpl man who love others as a human bieng so far from any greediness or selfishness in a so much humble i would like to welcome all to know each other and cure where is the pains are and hold our hands that we are all equal in life and no one better than other just how much he/sh is good.
Islam forbiden killing in all ways without a strong razon that is if somebody attaking with injustice or oppresion. It s a long history so full in mistakes all generations passed had same mistakes, the thought they were smarter and they won, but all are gone. In Kuran God almighty said: who kills any soul with no soul(life)(reazon of killing someone in no reazon )it s like he killed all humanity, and who save a soul it s like he saved all humanity.Islam forbiden killing just animals or torture them and wht s about human. In the book '" Crash of civilisation" by Samuel hinghton he showed tht s all nation fighting for their identities, it might be true ,but any fight actual it has goals, As in muslims countries like in others countries , there some good, some bad, in both countries there poletecians , who they mix and they use religion as a flag to fight,and look for supporters either money ,or volunteers.Yes, it s true here are some bad teachers, like in other parts. I can tell you all God never tell or ask to kill inoncent people.Yes, he asked to kill the hypocritist who use religion for no real just.In Kuran also God said: All of you mankind are childern of Adam, and Adam was created from earth. it Looks we had same origines, it s just a long trip of all of us get lost in defernt part of world, and cuz lot reazon all our looks changed, and historians gave us so many names, and they classified us aa thy want, the poletecians most are hypocritist they work with academist they creat conflicts and crise. As i rememberd one searcher gave an option how to cease the explosion demographic
: by creating hunger, or wars, or disease because earh cant feed us or hold us.The reazon of the poor they fight rich it s not because jalous, but it s like a taller man with a short man or blind with some one can, see it s all in opposite. The memory of collonialism either in Africa,or india,or America created an area wantd to lead the world, rest of world wants independence and these rich countries wants to order and rule any piece of land as a stragedy for future to secure itself . In all nations here are some educated who refuse to be fellow...
So as not to run so far from topic it s a shame tht this world is ruled by stupide leaders, people themselves are idiots because they elect who never keep his promises.If we ask all people would you live together with no visa, no wars,no racism,all equal, all ahve jobs,all no hungery for sure the answr will be yes.I can say in a loud voice i am against any violence in anywhere.

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Sat 11/10/07 05:02 PM
To know the origine of Bombimg was first in japan war in states, then palestinians in jews, then extremists now, and this is the blind war tht has no a specific place we can be injured by it in anyplace God bless, this is begining of The end.

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Sun 11/11/07 04:43 AM
Any body wants the answers about the conflict Between The East and Weast should read or look at some videos of Robert Fisk or Tschomski, or Thomas Freedman .Those great writers they knew roots of these conflict.because all their lives just objective search,and they laernt about Arabs culture.Each nation wants to be free,when there two unbalanced powers from any side, as Weasters they have lot chance of technology to destroy any country in few hours, the others, they look with their abilities how to became part of power.It looks like a monkey wants fight an Elephant, for sure this Elefant will never climb the tree,but only can destroy all tree, so it ended to destroy jungle so as this monkey will never climb any tree and to be easy to catch. this a crazy war you may call it war of madness.