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Topic: Another Murdered Cop
msharmony's photo
Sat 09/17/16 10:22 AM
LOL

guess that makes it so


IM a billionaire,,,,,,,,,,,,


damn, didnt work

Kindlightheart's photo
Sat 09/17/16 10:58 AM
...prayers for all the fallen police...most of the officers that have been murdered aren't even the "bad" cops...right now I am dealing with a situation that causes me to have ill feelings towards cops...you know...the loophole that cops are allowed to lie in order to get a written confession ...yup...my son goes to court next Tuesday and the only thing keeping his case open...the "confession" the cop wrote and my son signed without his lawyer present...because my son did not know cops could lie and make false promises...although I am upset by this officers actions...and if my son is found guilty and will never survive prison...I don't want the cop dead...I hope karma nips him in the butt though..I wonder if I was black would I think differently..?...doubt it..I don't think souls have color...your either a good soul or a bad one...drinker flowerforyou

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/17/16 11:03 AM
people do not always grieve graciously,

I hope your sons situation works out

I also would not wish anyone dead, I was sexually assaulted and would not wish that person dead even

I think taking life is never a thing to be proud of and I will always feel for the loved ones who lose a life,,,,,,


there are people who do good and people who do bad , many times they overlap too,,,,,and no profession(Even cops) can totally ween out the latter but should always deal with them when they are observed

Kindlightheart's photo
Sat 09/17/16 11:09 AM

people do not always grieve graciously,

I hope your sons situation works out

I also would not wish anyone dead, I was sexually assaulted and would not wish that person dead even

I think taking life is never a thing to be proud of and I will always feel for the loved ones who lose a life,,,,,,


there are people who do good and people who do bad , many times they overlap too,,,,,and no profession(Even cops) can totally ween out the latter but should always deal with them when they are observed

...thanks..a little hope goes along ways...flowerforyou

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Sat 09/17/16 04:19 PM
IN THE LAST 6 HOURS

Two Texas Cops Shot, Suspect Killed

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/09/17/two-texas-cops-shot-suspect-killed/

Two Texas police were shot while responding to a call about a suicide in Fort Worth, Texas. The man who fired on the police officers was killed when the officers returned fire.

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2 Police Officers Shot, Gunman and Bystander Dead in Philly Ambush -

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/17/2-police-officers-shot-gunman-bystander-dead-philly-shooting/

A gunman who targeted police was killed after he ambushed and shot two police officers and four in Philadelphia, killing a bystander.

Kindlightheart's photo
Sat 09/17/16 04:42 PM
...it's sad that officers are being killed by criminal minds...regardless of color...just don't understand how people can support any movement that justifies this behavior...lets cry about being abused by law enforcement and then go around killing cops that had nothing to do with the madness...yup...guess I should shoot my neighbors dog cause a stray dog pooped in my yard...geez...some people are soooo stupid...sad cause the cop killers are just making life hard for everyone and the ones who do it in support of BLM...are just making the movement look real bad... ohwell

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Sat 09/17/16 04:45 PM
.yup...guess I should shoot my neighbors dog cause a stray dog pooped in my yard...geez.

Love this ^^^^ analogy :thumbsup:

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/17/16 04:51 PM
i dont support any movement to kill cops

I do support the movement to bring to justice cops who kill civilians

unfortunately, cops being shot at is as much a part of the job as lifeguards getting wet,, depending upon the area they get paid to protect

they should have whatever resources available, including training, to reduce the number of deaths, both cop and civilian

Kindlightheart's photo
Sat 09/17/16 05:18 PM

i dont support any movement to kill cops

I do support the movement to bring to justice cops who kill civilians

unfortunately, cops being shot at is as much a part of the job as lifeguards getting wet,, depending upon the area they get paid to protect

they should have whatever resources available, including training, to reduce the number of deaths, both cop and civilian
... I do agree with the fact that something needs to be done about bad cops...only thing worse than a dirty cop..a dead good cop...and people...regardless of color need to accept the fact that if you break a law...the cop that approaches you might be a trigger happy jerk just wanting to kill someone...
ohwellflowerforyou

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/17/16 05:25 PM
yes, it is important to know the reality of how things 'are' while still fighting for how things 'should be'

:wink:

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/17/16 06:06 PM
yes,, under the title, things to expect on your job



Kindlightheart's photo
Sat 09/17/16 06:32 PM

unfortunately, cops being shot at is as much a part of the job as lifeguards getting wet,, depending upon the area they get paid to protect

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Really?..so now lifeguards getting wet and cops getting shot at are on the same level with you.




....although the comparison is like comparing sugar to salt...it is true...if you choose to be a cop you know that you may be shot at or killed in the line of duty...just as a lifeguard may have to get in the water...but as mentioned...depending where...a lifeguard at the pool verses the ocean...a cop in Chicago verses small town USA...the lifeguard at the pool doesn't fear the shark...cops everywhere should be aware of the thugs...but killing a cop in Texas for an incident in Chicago...would be like killing a shark cause your kid drowned at the pool...oopsflowerforyou

msharmony's photo
Sat 09/17/16 09:40 PM
excellent analogy


Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/17/16 11:27 PM

...prayers for all the fallen police...most of the officers that have been murdered aren't even the "bad" cops...right now I am dealing with a situation that causes me to have ill feelings towards cops...you know...the loophole that cops are allowed to lie in order to get a written confession ...yup...my son goes to court next Tuesday and the only thing keeping his case open...the "confession" the cop wrote and my son signed without his lawyer present...because my son did not know cops could lie and make false promises...although I am upset by this officers actions...and if my son is found guilty and will never survive prison...I don't want the cop dead...I hope karma nips him in the butt though..I wonder if I was black would I think differently..?...doubt it..I don't think souls have color...your either a good soul or a bad one...drinker flowerforyou


They can lie, but they can't promise anything. They can imply, but the only one who can make a promise is a Prosecutor.

Why didn't he just ask for a lawyer? That honestly kills me. Everyone see's it on TV everyday but when they are caught up, even for the smallest things they agree to talk to the police.

I am a strong supporter of law enforcement and I work in a related field conducting interviews and interrogations on almost a daily basis and if I were ever accused of anything the only thing I would tell law enforcement is my name and date of birth, then request an attorney.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/17/16 11:30 PM

...prayers for all the fallen police...most of the officers that have been murdered aren't even the "bad" cops...right now I am dealing with a situation that causes me to have ill feelings towards cops...you know...the loophole that cops are allowed to lie in order to get a written confession ...yup...my son goes to court next Tuesday and the only thing keeping his case open...the "confession" the cop wrote and my son signed without his lawyer present...because my son did not know cops could lie and make false promises...although I am upset by this officers actions...and if my son is found guilty and will never survive prison...I don't want the cop dead...I hope karma nips him in the butt though..I wonder if I was black would I think differently..?...doubt it..I don't think souls have color...your either a good soul or a bad one...drinker flowerforyou


BTW, a good lawyer might be able to get that confession tossed out. Depending on the laws of your state.

Back in the day at the end of an interrogation we would type up a summary of what was talked about and what the subject stated etc. and then would have them sign it. That way they wouldn't slant it to their favor or minimize it on paper. I was always against doing it that way, I prefer the subject to write their own statement and if they minimize it they minimize it, at least it doesn't look forced. That method came back to bite a lot of people in the a$$ and a few states that is not allowed.

I would look into that if I were you.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/17/16 11:35 PM

i dont support any movement to kill cops

I do support the movement to bring to justice cops who kill civilians

unfortunately, cops being shot at is as much a part of the job as lifeguards getting wet,, depending upon the area they get paid to protect

they should have whatever resources available, including training, to reduce the number of deaths, both cop and civilian


Then maybe you should be out supporting your local law enforcement agency's internal affairs department. They are the ones who bring dirty cops to justice and they are good at their job.

My old mentor from my Law Enforcement Explorer days became a Captain with the Washoe County Sheriff's Department Internal Affairs and he went from one of the most popular Deputies in the department and was named as a successor to the Sheriff who was retiring to the most hated within about 6 months. This guy cleaned house. If you were dirty on his watch you were fired and prosecuted.

Needless to say he retired out as a Captain after a couple years because it was a rough assignment.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/17/16 11:50 PM


unfortunately, cops being shot at is as much a part of the job as lifeguards getting wet,, depending upon the area they get paid to protect

___________________________________________________________________

Really?..so now lifeguards getting wet and cops getting shot at are on the same level with you.




....although the comparison is like comparing sugar to salt...it is true...if you choose to be a cop you know that you may be shot at or killed in the line of duty...just as a lifeguard may have to get in the water...but as mentioned...depending where...a lifeguard at the pool verses the ocean...a cop in Chicago verses small town USA...the lifeguard at the pool doesn't fear the shark...cops everywhere should be aware of the thugs...but killing a cop in Texas for an incident in Chicago...would be like killing a shark cause your kid drowned at the pool...oopsflowerforyou


Actually that's not true. I was a BSA Lifeguard in my teens and from about 18-22 I was a Life Guard Instructor with Jeff Ellis and Associates at Wet N' Wild in Las Vegas when it used to be on the strip. Believe it or not it can be extremely dangerous going in after someone who cant swim or thinks their drowning because they constantly try to climb on top of you. I remember one of our Ellis Guards back east drowned one summer in I believe it was a regular community pool because of that.

It's a scary situation, there were a few times I got dunked jumping in to pull someone out of the Royal Flush (it was an 8-12 foot deep pool and people would go down it who didn't know how to swim thinking it was a shallow pool, and these people get scared, panic and the adrenaline flies). There was only one time I was actually worried but luckily I was also working part time doing Loss Prevention so I knew a few strikes, locks pressure points to get them off me and usually by that time other guards are in the water because they heard you blow your whistle before you jumped in.


Kindlightheart's photo
Sun 09/18/16 12:07 AM



unfortunately, cops being shot at is as much a part of the job as lifeguards getting wet,, depending upon the area they get paid to protect

___________________________________________________________________

Really?..so now lifeguards getting wet and cops getting shot at are on the same level with you.




....although the comparison is like comparing sugar to salt...it is true...if you choose to be a cop you know that you may be shot at or killed in the line of duty...just as a lifeguard may have to get in the water...but as mentioned...depending where...a lifeguard at the pool verses the ocean...a cop in Chicago verses small town USA...the lifeguard at the pool doesn't fear the shark...cops everywhere should be aware of the thugs...but killing a cop in Texas for an incident in Chicago...would be like killing a shark cause your kid drowned at the pool...oopsflowerforyou


Actually that's not true. I was a BSA Lifeguard in my teens and from about 18-22 I was a Life Guard Instructor with Jeff Ellis and Associates at Wet N' Wild in Las Vegas when it used to be on the strip. Believe it or not it can be extremely dangerous going in after someone who cant swim or thinks their drowning because they constantly try to climb on top of you. I remember one of our Ellis Guards back east drowned one summer in I believe it was a regular community pool because of that.

It's a scary situation, there were a few times I got dunked jumping in to pull someone out of the Royal Flush (it was an 8-12 foot deep pool and people would go down it who didn't know how to swim thinking it was a shallow pool, and these people get scared, panic and the adrenaline flies). There was only one time I was actually worried but luckily I was also working part time doing Loss Prevention so I knew a few strikes, locks pressure points to get them off me and usually by that time other guards are in the water because they heard you blow your whistle before you jumped in.



...lol..my sister was just saying that when she and her family took scuba diving...one of the instructors said..if you see someone drowning..try to knock them out...other wise they may drown you..and I respect the lifeguard...and have witnessed many heroic acts preformed by them...and you truly have to have a similar mindset as a cop...a desire to put your life on the line to save another...firemen as well...yupper...anyone that does this as his choice profession...puts your life and safety below the life of a stranger..commands respect..flowerforyou

Kindlightheart's photo
Sun 09/18/16 08:00 AM


...prayers for all the fallen police...most of the officers that have been murdered aren't even the "bad" cops...right now I am dealing with a situation that causes me to have ill feelings towards cops...you know...the loophole that cops are allowed to lie in order to get a written confession ...yup...my son goes to court next Tuesday and the only thing keeping his case open...the "confession" the cop wrote and my son signed without his lawyer present...because my son did not know cops could lie and make false promises...although I am upset by this officers actions...and if my son is found guilty and will never survive prison...I don't want the cop dead...I hope karma nips him in the butt though..I wonder if I was black would I think differently..?...doubt it..I don't think souls have color...your either a good soul or a bad one...drinker flowerforyou


They can lie, but they can't promise anything. They can imply, but the only one who can make a promise is a Prosecutor.

Why didn't he just ask for a lawyer? That honestly kills me. Everyone see's it on TV everyday but when they are caught up, even for the smallest things they agree to talk to the police.

I am a strong supporter of law enforcement and I work in a related field conducting interviews and interrogations on almost a daily basis and if I were ever accused of anything the only thing I would tell law enforcement is my name and date of birth, then request an attorney.

...that's part of the problem...this is the first time he's been in trouble as an adult...and the incident took place in a different state...he asked for a lawyer...after a bit the officer told him his lawyer is on the way and to get started with his statement...my son has issues with anxiety and depression and was off his meds...he thought it would be ok..the officer was a real nice guy and told him most the charges will be dropped if he gave a statement...my son believed him...I am more angry at the laws themselves then the officer....the loophole that allows cops to lie in order to get a "confession "...isn't right...in my opinion..plus the difference in laws state to state..what is a misdemeanor in my state is a felony in the state he got in trouble...plus..it's a small town..they have one public defender that goes there from the surrounding area...and he's awful..sadly I had no way to hire a good lawyer...and I do believe a good lawyer could have got the "confession " thrown out because my son is prescribed medication that he was not taking at the time...don't really know..my son is guilty of being stupid...but nothing he did deserves prison..but his lawyer doesn't talk to him at all except 5 minutes before court and that's it...we have been traveling back and forth to court and this is the last appearance before it goes to jury...it's a no win because of the "confession"...just a sad situation...the cop did his job...my son didn't know that cops lie and make false promises while questioning...and my son still speaks politely about the cop..just wishes he didn't lie to him...I just hope the best..ohwellflowerforyou

msharmony's photo
Sun 09/18/16 08:47 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 09/18/16 08:51 AM





yes,, under the title, things to expect on your job


Can you provide a job description for a police where it says that one of the things to EXPECT is to be shot at and quite possibly killed.

bad analogy MS.


But then again, expected.













thats what 'expected' means

some things are so common sense they dont have to be spelled out

did you know none of my job descriptions ever stated that I should expect to turn in a timesheet or punch a clock either,,,

I also doubt a lifeguard description specifically says expect to get wet either,,,





but for craps and giggles, part of a police position on indeed.com:

Firearms and defensive tactics skills and survival techniques


and I dont think its so that cops can go hunting,,,,,,,,,btw

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