from : https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/chicagos-murder-rate-is-rising-but-it-isnt-unprecedented/

Chicago’s murder rate is high, and it has risen significantly in the last two years. But the recent rate of killings is not unprecedented: During the mid-1990s, Chicago experienced a higher toll of murders than it did in 2016.


Nor, despite the attention it often gets from Trump and others, is Chicago uniquely dangerous among U.S. cities.

According to preliminary data compiled by my colleague Jeff Asher, Chicago had the eighth-highest murder rate among big U.S. cities in 2016. Cities including St. Louis, Baltimore and Detroit have much higher rates, as do a host of other towns scattered throughout the United States.

Trump made the murder rate a focus of his attention during the campaign, as well. But both in Chicago and on the national level, the murder rate during the 1990s was significantly worse than it is now. Other kinds of violent crime have persistently fallen since that time as well and, unlike murder, haven’t shown a big increase in recent years.

Trump reported in his tweet that “killings” are up 24 percent from 2016. That’s consistent with Chicago Police Department data cited by the Chicago Tribune,1 but it may not mean much — with less than a month of data in 2017 so far, estimates of the murder rate increase are incredibly volatile. Numerous factors can contribute to short-term spikes (or dips) in the murder rate: This January has been exceptionally warm,2 for example, and we know that warmer weather tends to increase violence.

Furthermore, the rate of shootings has not increased as much as murders in 2017, and shootings are a better barometer of gun violence than murders. There are also signs that Chicago’s police are changing their approach in response to the recent violence; that’s important because there is evidence that the rise in murder was at least partly related to a pullback in proactive policing since 2015.

If new police strategies prove effective, and if trends in the weather and the deadliness of gun violence become more normal, Chicago’s murder rate may drift lower even without Trump’s intervention.

Lol.. look back MSH.. the stories coming out of Chicago were horrendous long before Trump.

Hw didn't create this situation, but he is addressing it, which is something that Obama did not do.

The recent activity has nothing to do with the Chicago Police dept. policy and everything to do with thugs with guns.

So, put the blame where it belongs... in the hands of the guy with the illegal gun.. the killers out on the street of Chicago.

And yes, many of them will end up in jail,tough S***, should have though of that before you tucked that stolen gun in your waste band as you walked out the door

you want to act like a animal.. you get treated like one.

not sure what that is all about

the OP is piggybacking on my information in another thread about crime TRENDS,,,,


its a comment on TRENDS

with a hopeful ending

--"If new police strategies prove effective, and if trends in the weather and the deadliness of gun violence become more normal, Chicago’s murder rate may drift lower even without Trump’s intervention.

the person who wrote this and you are missing the point

The Police respond to shootings.. i.e. after the fact... meaning the person has already been shot and in many cases killed.

So, again, the problem is not in training.. anyone.

The problem is the amount of armed thugs in Chicago... that is the problem as they are the ones killing people.. am I wrong? REALLY , I ASK YOU.. AM I?

So, let me ask you this.. in you mind this is a tide.. up and down.. right?

So, how many more have to be killed before it starts to decrease?.. how many MSH?

How many more dead kids will lay dead in some dirty gutter because of passive thinking. passive is easy, when its not one of yours.. isn't it?

Sorry, In my mind.. DISARM THEM so they can't murder. And throw their a** in jail.. for a long time.

there is nothing PASSIVE in training police and enforcing gun laws

or any of the measures taken in the past that saw crime rates DECREASE

disarming is already done,, IF and when someone is a felon FOUND to have a weapon

disarming is unconstitutional otherwise,,,

tell it to the good people of Chicago.. you know the ones who don't dare go out at night. The ones who live in constant fear. The ones who have their kids sleep in interior rooms ( if they can) because they don't want then to catch a stray bullet in the middle of the night.. which happens all to often.

Take your logic to the streets of Chicago.. see how it flies there with these people..

So, yes train the Cops.. Don't address the real problem.. that will do the trick... train the Cops.. Fantasyland.. Lol

I know.. I know.. they are black.. but you know what.. we didn't raise them.. and they are thugs.. fact..and we are left to do what their parents did not.. fact.

The Cops didn't raise them.. did they?

what are you talking about?

the military also did not raise them. What has that to do with anything?

the problem is guns and violence, and the military isnt needed to address that. They have not been needed to address it in the past when the good people of chicago lived in 'constant fear' and they aren't needed now.

but you have a point, let the people in the impacted communities vote if they want military intervention,, it is their lives and their experiences that matter

what am I talking about?.. the out of control violence in Chicago.. the topic. which you seem to want to sidestep as a accepted wave.

Let people vote about it?..to vote about what?.. to disarm or let the carnage continue.

you don't like it because it is black on black.. sorry.. that's a fact.. it is. Deny it.. go ahead.. prove me wrong.. prove that what I am stating is not correct... black on black.. please, I beg of you.. prove me wrong.

Again., take you solution to the streets of Chicago.. please.. then tell me what they tell you.. the Mothers who live in constant fear.

Ask them if they want to wait for a vote.. Lol

Again, I ask you point blank.. if it was yours.. your family.. would you see it the same way

Somehow.. I think not

Passive.. as long as it does not touch yours

ok, whats the plan stan?

simply stated, crime trends will rise and fall as they always have

we have seen chicagos trend up(not for the first time) and people are offering ideas about how to bring it down,,,,again

I have offered up the reality that the chicago trend has been even higher i the past and come down, presenting the REALITY that it WILL come down becuase it HAS COME DOWN BEFORE

I have offered the rejection of needing the military to bring it down as the military was never needed to do so before

so , what is the argument thats so controversial here?


why is military intervention the only way to approach this recurring problem? How is it the problem has been addressed somehow, before, without such intervention?


why are you so obsessed with black people when I take part in these discussions?

what is your solution?


I would feel the same way about the military intervention regardless of the race of those involved.

If it was my family, I also would not want to see armed soldiers occupying my neighborhood.

Well Mary

I am not obsessed with Black people. But I do call it the way it is, and that includes when people continuously try to insert black into every thread they post to.. sound familiar?.. they think that others don't notice.. but they do :)

so you want to now vote? well, you know what.. there will be no vote. the PRESIDENT said he would clean up Chicago.. part of his election promise.. and we voted him in on that. So there will be no vote.. sorry :(

Again, tell it to the mothers in Chicago.. the mothers of the murdered kids in 2017.. go head.. lets see how that goes.

Its easy to type.. quit another to stand face to face.. isn't it?.. have you?.. would you?..do it and then tell us all... my money.. nah.. not happening.

Rose colored glasses don't work there

FIRST: umm, there are nine mentions of the word 'black' in this thread

the first was from YOU and 6 of the remaining 8 are also from YOU




SECOND: The suggestion to ask the people of CHicago what they thought was also YOURS


THIRD: What is your actual ARGUMENT here? other than emotional personal accusations?

I asked you a question.. point blank, which you did not answer.. you danced around it.

Who is killing the black people in Chicago.. is it whites?, Asians?, Hispanics?.. WHO IS DOING IT?

It is Blacks.. killing Blacks

Again... prove me wrong

go ahead.. right now.. right here.

blacks mostly kill blacks and whites mostly kill whites

but

dead is dead and that is not the point of this thread

the point was about REDUCING VIOLENT CRIME

why are you obsessed with the race?


why is the question of ways to reduce the crime being hi jacked into a question about race?

don't give me that.. who is killing who in Chicago.. that is what your thread is about, right


So I will ask you for the 50th time to answer the question.. point blank.

who is doing it!

So stop side stepping and answer the question

And for the 50th time as well, I'm not obsessed with color. I call it the way it is.. hurts.. sorry :)

when you prove me wrong.. Then you have a grip.. but until then....nope

who is killing who in Chicago MHS.. Who?. and are we not talking of Chicago?

So,,prove me wrong.. just do it.. you have sources, archives.. do it

Can you?. Here is your chance.. shut me up.. lets go. basically put up or shut up.


the truth hurts.. again, sorry


blacks killing blacks... in Chicago.. fact.. so lets vote on it.. Lol

wow

asked and answered

and the thread is about CHICAGOS MURDER RATE

and


, back on topic......


Officials in Chicago, reeling from a dramatic uptick in killings and under pressure from President Trump to contain it, outlined a series of high-tech solutions on Friday, including more predictive policing techniques.


The steps announced Friday included:

An expansion of ShotSpotter sensors that pick up the sound of gunfire and alert police to its location.

Near-ubiquitous coverage of public areas by surveillance cameras.

The introduction of predictive policing software that identifies areas most likely to see gun violence.

Layering that analysis with another predictive program that identifies people most likely to commit —or be the victims of — gun violence.

A "war room"-like office, staffed with analysts who will translate that data for changes to deployments and long-term strategy.



Mayor Emanuel said the new technology would ultimately help improve things — but he added it had to come with better training, hiring more officers, promoting more detectives and investing in social services like after-school programs.

That, Emanuel said, will require more help from the federal government, which has become an issue under Trump. In recent days, Trump has singled out Chicago's crime rate and said if the city didn't put a lid on it, he'd "send in the feds."

Emanuel has said he'd welcome any help, but hasn't talked to Trump since he took office.


read more at: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-police-department-goes-high-tech-fight-rise-killings-n713206



Im not on board with the predictive measures about who is 'most likely to'


but the other combined resources are a great plan for reducing the crime

don't give me some " off the shelf" article on police policies.. answer the comment directed at you.

I asked you point blank..WHO IS COMMITING THE MURDERS IN CHICAGO

You call me obsessed. I see it the way it is... again. sorry ;)

So answer the question poised to you.. point blank for the 51st time

Can't say those words? Hmmm.. it is blacks.. killing blacks.. murdering them.. in record numbers, cold blooded murder..

So again. for the 52nd time.. prove me wrong..

please prove me wrong. no spin.. point blank.. prove me wrong

Do it

take a chill pill already

start your own thread about blacks killing blacks

that is not the topic of THIS thread,,,

and the question WAS answered

blacks mostly kill blacks and whites mostly kill whites

suffice to say, in mostly black chicago, blacks are mostly killed by blacks

I dont need to prove you wrong about that, its common knowledge by anyone with internet access to crime statistics

and again

not the topic of this thread

Sorry MHS

You are correct

It is blacks killing blacks. in Chicago.. thanks for acknowledging that. and that is exactly what this tread was about. It was the topic of the tread. The killing in Chicago

you see , you have to get to the core of the problem. which we now agree unpin.

So again, don't blame COPS.. No training in the world will replace parenting ..or lack of... will it. which is the absolute core of the problem.. isn't it

So back to my earlier post.

Don't blame others for your short comings

Obsessed with blacks... Nah.. pissed off with people who don't know how to raise kids that THEY decided to bing into this world.. yeah

Cause the we have to deal with them.. I know .. not PC.. But true

Remember fathering a child.. easy.. being a Dad.. and being around.. well.. seems not so easy for some.

good night ;)

nowhere did I 'blame' anyone

that is the game of others in these threads

I was talking about TRENDS and a solution to decreasing the rates

unless we want to wait 18 years (the average time to 'raise'someone correctly), focusing on how people are raising their kids does little to combat the problem NOW, does it?

so , no, the topic had nothing to do with RACE as the question would be the same regardless of race.


But at least you got across your implied point/opinion about the character and rearing of black people being the only thing that matters....

sleep tight...