I agree that there are muslims, who are peaceful and not violent, but because of their religion and beliefs they are more easily manipulated by terrorist organisations. Women and children, brainwashed, wearing bomb-vests and walking into the crowd with belief that the more they kill Christians the more they will be loved by god.

In some point muslim can preach the peace and in the next kill in the name of their god. And the fact that they kill also among themselves, makes them even worse, because that shows nothing is sacred for them and they have no remorse.

It is easy to talk from side, find them excuses and defend them. But when those people live next to you and your children, you would talk differently. One day you are walking on the street and next day you read in newspapers that 4 people were killed on the same street a day later. I was offered a job in Stockholm and I didn't take it as I have blonde and blue-eyed daughter. She would be never able to go to school by herself or spend her time with friends outdoors, because it is unsafe for her. And that's not just me being superstitious, this is what our lives have become to. We are giving them helping hand, provide them places to live, they get maintenance support, they are not working, just demanding and appealing on their rights. Local people go to work, pay their taxes to support them and in return we get this...

Some find it easier to down play or deflect from what it actually is.

For reasons only they seem to understand.

I understand the perspective but 'those people' are like any other and have just as much diversity of character and love/hate as anyone else.

We could say 'patriots' are more easily 'manipulated' as well since so much of our domestic terrorists kill in the name of loyalty to some 'american' value or ideal, but that doesn't mean that suddenly terrorism and patriotism are synonymous with each other, or that whenever such patriots commit atrocity we should focus the blame on the values of all patriots. They are individuals first. Any of them with an extreme view can be manipulated into extremes.

As to being on the SIDE, that is what most americans are who listen only to western media in slamming muslims and equating them with violence and terror.

Muslims go to work and pay taxes here to. Muslims around the world do all the things we in America believe make us so virtuous. They help others and give them shelter, possibly making them even more virtuous because of the potential consequence they face for doing so.

Muslims are not homogenous anymore than Christians or any other group. They have different interpretations of their gospel just like other religions. IT matters what is in the heart of the individual. Those with extreme views hate EVERYONE else, regardless of common 'religion'.


We cannot understand in Western countries what it is to live in war torn and/or oppressed conditions. Most of the terrorism the western media focuses on is Sunni extremism who kill more Shiite muslims than westerners,, why? because they have more access to more of them and they HATE anything not Sunni. But this is because of their individual hearts and their extreme interpretations of what it is to be Muslim. Just like some patriots hearts and their idea of what it is to be a patriot.

To lump the ones left suffering in with the ones making them suffer is a shame and a mistake.

Not only am I not on the sideline, my brother has lived in a muslim country and I have a couple muslims in my family.

Yes, like making terrorism about Islam and how muslims are a problem instead of extremists.

Obviously the extremist are the problem but the others need to come out more against them!

how should people do thi

'come out more against them' ?


are we speaking about being seen or reported about in press 'condemning' their actions (whatever good that actually does)

or risking their own lives in war torn areas to be dissenters or obstructionists?

how does coming out against them read in real life,,,?

and how will the rest of the world be informed that they are doing these things,, except through media..?

On the streets and of course the media. it's the only way anyone hears about anything!
It's just some people interpret to satisfy there belief's

that is my point,, the western media is a biased and limited source for information about non western cultures,

because it is sponsored by western sources, selling western products, concerned with WESTERN culture and events

It's not as bad in the UK but I tend to try and watch a variety of channels, ie, rt France 24 and so on. We have brexit in progress (uk leaving the eu )
There has been riots most days in Paris and not a mention on the bbc, and the list goes on.

Well anyway is better then.. nothing. Since it is religion based.. I would suggest they start really denouncing it in the Mosques. But the Mosques appear to be a safe haven.

Just ask the ones who planned the 1st Twin tower bombings
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Yousef set up residence in Jersey City, New Jersey, traveled around New York and New Jersey and called Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, a controversial blind Muslim cleric, via cell phone. After being introduced to his co-conspirators by Abdel Rahman at the latter's Al-Farooq Mosque in Brooklyn, Yousef began assembling the 1,500 lb (680 kg) urea nitrate–hydrogen gas enhanced device for delivery to the WTC. He ordered chemicals from his hospital room when injured in a car crash – one of three accidents caused by Salameh in late 1992 and early in 1993.

Yep.. all planned out at the ole " house of worship"

So much for the Christians getting any support there, huh.

if you are not visiting mosques, how do you know what they may or may not be 'denouncing'?

well, it would appear in the Brooklyn Mosque.. it would be terrorism they were planning.. wouldn't it... certainly not denouncing it.. just the opposite.right.

And if I am not mistaken.. the leader of the Mosque was in fact part of the team that planned the attack... isn't that.. a fact.

But why don't you tell me what is being said inside Mosques?, enlighten me.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

And so on and on... No, they are just exchanging recipes in Mosques.

Heck, I bet one or two visits to a mosque and most Americans would
warm right up to that Sharia Law. Stoning, caning, beheading what a
great community builder those are..

Hey buddy today I am your friend, but one day I might have to take you out.
How does one know which religion they are practicing?

and just the wonderful way they treat the ladies as well...

the "good" ones want their religion to dominate as well, they are just not active in killing and beheading...they will reap just as much rewards as the extremists, and they all could care less about any non muslim...

one mosque condemns them all? seriously?


I dont know what is being said in the mosques so I dont ASSUME that it is not denouncing terrorism

people who are atheists hopefully dont ASSUME that churches dont denounce sins just because they witness self proclaimed christians sinning,,,,,

Sound like the religion creates a superiority complex based on your experience with them.
Recalling what you said in another thread.

google can find such verses in the King James Bible too,, specific situations where there is violence promoted and encouraged

means nothing

religious books are not just hand picked verses out of context,,


They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)





(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came. He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)





Any religious book can be picked apart to find verses out of context from the whole message

a partial truth is as good as a lie, and people often take part of a holy book to justify their hearts,,,