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Topic: Religious beliefs?
Conrad_73's photo
Mon 06/19/17 08:17 AM

When I hear that people should not impose their 'religious' beliefs on others, I always wonder what qualifies as a religious belief as opposed to just a belief, Period.

For instance, take something as simple as the Ten Commandments





stealing is a crime
killing is a crime
perjury is a crime
and adultery is grounds for divorce

were these 'religious' beliefs that were 'imposed' upon others?


where do people draw the line to determine when a value or standard is 'religious' ?

why are some standards accepted culturally and others seperated as merely 'religious'?

based on the Code of Hammurabi,based on an even earlier Code!
Nothing much "religious" about the origin!

snagglepuss74's photo
Sat 07/01/17 09:00 PM

When I hear that people should not impose their 'religious' beliefs on others, I always wonder what qualifies as a religious belief as opposed to just a belief, Period.

For instance, take something as simple as the Ten Commandments





stealing is a crime
killing is a crime
perjury is a crime
and adultery is grounds for divorce

were these 'religious' beliefs that were 'imposed' upon others?


where do people draw the line to determine when a value or standard is 'religious' ?

why are some standards accepted culturally and others seperated as merely 'religious'?


Note how you mention only 4, maybe 5, of the 10. The first 4 can be safely regarded as "religious": apart from the fact that they are the artifacts of a particular set of religions and therefore not consistent with other religions (there are ploytheistic religions, idol-worshipping religions and those that are fine with working over weekends) , there is also the fact that they come from any religion at all, so they do not apply to people with no religion. Then there are religions that don't have gods. Also #5 may not make sense to orphans and/or abandoned children.

With 5-6 of 10 out of the picture, it is not necessary to view these as the essential basis for these values while other sources (some of which predate this) are already available.


why are some standards accepted culturally and others seperated as merely 'religious'?

Good question. If you consider religions that urge people to kill (others, their own children, etc) or place loyalty to religion above loyalty to country, chop off the hands or heads of criminals, etc. you may feel this is actually good.

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Sun 07/02/17 03:29 AM
What makes something religious or not, isn't the thing itself. It is what people do with it. How they think of it.

The problem with the recent fad of symbolically placing monumental copies of the Ten Commandments on to official government property, isn't primarily because the Ten Commandments are religious per se. The problem is that it constitutes overthrowing the constitutional government itself, and placing unelected religious authorities in charge of the government.

While it is certainly true that many laws which are listed on the Ten C's originated in a non-religious context, the problem isn't with those laws, it is with what the people OF TODAY want to do with them, and why they want to do it.

msharmony's photo
Sun 07/02/17 10:51 AM

Ms. Harmony, thank you for posting this.



you are always welcomeflowerforyou

msharmony's photo
Sun 07/02/17 10:56 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 07/02/17 10:57 AM




stealing is a crime
killing is a crime
perjury is a crime


People have non-religious reasons for declaring that theft, murder and perjury are crimes.



they read, felt, or were told at some point somewhere, what is 'acceptable' or what is 'right and wrong'

so

people have non religious AND religious reasons for declaring things to be crimes


, someone elses reasons are never truly known unless they share them

..if you take the commandments..said to be Gods laws..these were designed to keep us from hurting eachother...mans laws are made for lining pockets...Gods law has been tossed to the curb..mans law is warped and protects those who have money...Gods law can't be bought..mans can..so man has put mans law above Gods...and before the King James Version ..it was written that mans law is an abomination to God... I kinda stuck to do unto others as you want done to you...and if what you're doing gives you a bad feeling..chances are it's bad.. flowerforyou



drinker

I totally agree. Though Gods laws were written by man (inspired of God), they did not happen in a vacuum and just appear with God,,,they were values and standards culturally before a religious book was ever written . Which means , at some point, they were also Mans laws(according to the cultures and men of biblical times)

...which is why it always baffles me when they are simply dismissed for being purely 'religious'...


the only purely religious laws, as someone else mentioned are those making requirements regarding ones relationship with God or Gods,,,, if God or Gods are not mentioned,, it WAS not a religious law but a cultural/mans law which made it into a religious book because they happened to also align with God.....

Amimit's photo
Sun 07/02/17 11:09 AM
Nice writing


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