Topic: First Religion : " Zoroaster "
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Sat 05/12/18 09:19 AM
Zoroaster was hardly the first belief in god. Zoroaster existed around 600bc in Persian.

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Sat 05/12/18 11:31 AM
Here's some comments from The Urantia Book about Zoroaster:

92:5.9 4. The sixth century before Christ. Many men arose to proclaim truth in this, one of the greatest centuries of religious awakening ever witnessed on Urantia. Among these should be recorded Gautama, Confucius, Lao-tse, Zoroaster, and the Jainist teachers. The teachings of Gautama have become widespread in Asia, and he is revered as the Buddha by millions. Confucius was to Chinese morality what Plato was to Greek philosophy, and while there were religious repercussions to the teachings of both, strictly speaking, neither was a religious teacher; Lao-tse envisioned more of God in Tao than did Confucius in humanity or Plato in idealism. Zoroaster, while much affected by the prevalent concept of dual spiritism, the good and the bad, at the same time definitely exalted the idea of one eternal Deity and of the ultimate victory of light over darkness.

95:6.1 From Palestine some of the Melchizedek missionaries passed on through Mesopotamia and to the great Iranian plateau. For more than five hundred years the Salem teachers made headway in Iran, and the whole nation was swinging to the Melchizedek religion when a change of rulers precipitated a bitter persecution which practically ended the monotheistic teachings of the Salem cult. The doctrine of the Abrahamic covenant was virtually extinct in Persia when, in that great century of moral renaissance, the sixth before Christ, Zoroaster appeared to revive the smouldering embers of the Salem gospel.

95:6.4 Zoroaster did not teach the worship of fire but sought to utilize the flame as a symbol of the pure and wise Spirit of universal and supreme dominance. (All too true, his later followers did both reverence and worship this symbolic fire.) Finally, upon the conversion of an Iranian prince, this new religion was spread by the sword. And Zoroaster heroically died in battle for that which he believed was the “truth of the Lord of light.”

95:7.3 Here and there throughout Arabia were families and clans that held on to the hazy idea of the one God. Such groups treasured the traditions of Melchizedek, Abraham, Moses, and Zoroaster. There were numerous centers that might have responded to the Jesusonian gospel, but the Christian missionaries of the desert lands were an austere and unyielding group in contrast with the compromisers and innovators who functioned as missionaries in the Mediterranean countries. Had the followers of Jesus taken more seriously his injunction to “go into all the world and preach the gospel,” and had they been more gracious in that preaching, less stringent in collateral social requirements of their own devising, then many lands would gladly have received the simple gospel of the carpenter’s son, Arabia among them.

131:5.1 Zoroaster was himself directly in contact with the descendants of the earlier Melchizedek missionaries, and their doctrine of the one God became a central teaching in the religion which he founded in Persia. Aside from Judaism, no religion of that day contained more of these Salem teachings.

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Sat 05/12/18 04:34 PM
Edited by indianadave4 on Sat 05/12/18 04:36 PM
The Urantia Book is a collection of channeled writings mostly from the 1930s, compiled and published in 1955. The writings combine Christianity and an alleged history of the work and teachings of Jesus with a cosmology of extraterrestrial spirit beings.

The book presents an elaborate pseudo-history of the universe (the book actually claims there are many universes, super-universes, and so on), and that the name of planet Earth in this cosmology is "Urantia". The portion on the life of Jesus remains fairly true to the Bible stories of his life and teachings, except that in the Urantia Book Jesus was the most important spirit being in this universe who came to "Urantia" (Earth) to solidify his superior status, and the ideas of original sin or any need for Jesus to atone for human sins are rejected. In this, it departs from most Christian theology.

A new age book.

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Sat 05/12/18 04:49 PM

The Urantia Book is a collection of channeled writings mostly from the 1930s, compiled and published in 1955. The writings combine Christianity and an alleged history of the work and teachings of Jesus with a cosmology of extraterrestrial spirit beings.

The book presents an elaborate pseudo-history of the universe (the book actually claims there are many universes, super-universes, and so on), and that the name of planet Earth in this cosmology is "Urantia". The portion on the life of Jesus remains fairly true to the Bible stories of his life and teachings, except that in the Urantia Book Jesus was the most important spirit being in this universe who came to "Urantia" (Earth) to solidify his superior status, and the ideas of original sin or any need for Jesus to atone for human sins are rejected. In this, it departs from most Christian theology.

A new age book.








you nailed it square on the head :thumbsup:

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Sun 05/13/18 12:04 PM

The Urantia Book is a collection of channeled writings mostly from the 1930s, compiled and published in 1955.


No, it's not channeled, Dave. What is the source of your information? Surely you didn't write it yourself. Nor did you read the book, right? You're bearing false witness against God's new revelation to our world and you haven't even read the book! What's the difference between you and the guy who said this: He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?" (John 10:20)

The writings combine Christianity and an alleged history of the work and teachings of Jesus with a cosmology of extraterrestrial spirit beings.


No it doesn't, Dave. And "extraterrestrial spirit beings" are commonly called "angels." Isn't that what they're called in your religion, Dave? That's what they're called in our religion too. But "extraterrestrial spirit beings" sounds much more sinister, doesn't it? Dave? Be honest now.

The book presents an elaborate pseudo-history of the universe


No it doesn't Dave. Elaborate, maybe, "pseudo," not.

(the book actually claims there are many universes, super-universes, and so on),


Not exactly Dave. It just uses the word "universe" differently from the common usage.

and that the name of planet Earth in this cosmology is "Urantia".


That's good, Dave. Finally, something right.

The portion on the life of Jesus remains fairly true to the Bible stories of his life and teachings, except that in the Urantia Book Jesus was the most important spirit being in this universe who came to "Urantia" (Earth) to solidify his superior status, and the ideas of original sin or any need for Jesus to atone for human sins are rejected. In this, it departs from most Christian theology.


The Urantia Book is not based on "the Bible stories." The reason they are similar is the same reason two versions of a train wreck story are necessarily similar if not the same. The train wreck happened.

Nor does it matter if it "departs from most Christian theology." Some Christian theology is wrong, Dave. God is not a Christian, Dave, and Jesus was not The First Christian. And Jesus did not come to "solidify his superior status." Where did you get that from, Dave? Jesus came here primarily to "bear witness unto the truth" Dave, just like the bible says. (John 18:37) The Urantia Book says exactly the same thing, Dave.

A new age book.


What does that even mean, Dave? "A new age book" What does that mean, Dave? Apparently it's supposed to be derogatory, right? There was some need to say something derogatory at that point and someone said, "Hey, I know, let's say it's "a new age book," and call their angels, "extraterrestrial spirit beings." Yah, that'll fix 'em.

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Sun 05/13/18 11:57 PM
The Urantia Book most seems to be an amalgamation of the Theosophical literature of the late 19th century or early 20th century.

The Urantia Book contains pronouncements on evolution, cosmology, physics and quantum mechanics, which Martin Gardner ( former Scientific American mathematics columnist) finds deeply flawed, and it includes a biography of Jesus that asserts he toured Rome and Greece at ages 28 and 29, becoming an adept of Greek philosophy, mathematics and art. The Urantia cult was founded by two former Seventh-day Adventists--Chicago psychiatrist William Sadler (1875-1969) and his brother-in-law, Wilfred Kellogg (1876-1956), a businessman. The Urantia Book is filled with plagiarized passages from other cult books. There also exist bitter schisms among the Urantians, notably David Koresh's Branch Davidian cult consumed by flames near Waco, Texas.

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Mon 05/14/18 06:55 PM



The Urantia Book most seems to be an amalgamation of the Theosophical literature of the late 19th century or early 20th century.


When did you read it, Dave?

I have read it and it doesn't seem to be an amalgamation of the Theosophical literature of the late 19th century or early 20th century to me, Dave.

The Urantia Book contains pronouncements on evolution, cosmology, physics and quantum mechanics, which Martin Gardner ( former Scientific American mathematics columnist) finds deeply flawed,


So what? I think Martin Gardner was deeply flawed.

and it includes a biography of Jesus that asserts he toured Rome and Greece at ages 28 and 29, becoming an adept of Greek philosophy, mathematics and art.


Yes, and? And I don't know what "becoming an adept of Greek philosophy, mathematics and art" means and I don't think the book says that. And what if it does? Is it wrong? What's the objection here?

The Urantia cult


There is no "cult." There is just the book. Don't be afraid to read it. As Philip said to Nathaniel, "Come and see." (John 1:46) Seriously, don't be afraid.

was founded by two former Seventh-day Adventists--Chicago psychiatrist William Sadler (1875-1969) and his brother-in-law, Wilfred Kellogg (1876-1956), a businessman.


The Urantia Book was not "founded" by anyone. It was delivered to our world by spiritual agents of God's government, which we call angels.

The Urantia Book is filled with plagiarized passages from other cult books.


It is not.

There also exist bitter schisms among the Urantians, notably David Koresh's Branch Davidian cult consumed by flames near Waco, Texas.


Dave, David Koresh's Branch Davidian cult has nothing whatsoever to do with The Urantia Book. Shame on you. My Goodness! Why do some Christians smear and outright lie about other religions? Are they that insecure?

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Mon 05/14/18 07:17 PM
Very forgiving