Tom4Uhere

you: ".... that it can only be perceivable by 'word'." (NO!)

me: It's obvious to me that no amount of discussion between us can do anything useful for you; so instead I propose quoting something perhaps more palatable:

"The human - like a hamster pet
scurrying in its sphere -
hasn’t got the point quite yet
that all its prattle’s null and void
becos de wheel iz made o’ Woid !

Thus I am The Slave of Word;
(I’d thought I was its master!).
Forgetting I invented it
‘s the cause of this disaster!"

And to follow, a little tattle-tale for you:

THE WORD CAGE
 
Our birds usually chatter about immediacies such as sudden sounds or looming visitors; but today they seem to be somewhat frivolous - if not philosophical.
"But why are we here?"
"Indeed; why here?"
"No: I mean why are we, well, anywhere?"
"We have to be somewhere, don't we. We can't possibly be nowhere."
"We could be everywhere."
"Everywhere!?"
"Yes: take the moon; it's everywhere. Whenever you look, it's not in the same place as it was previously, is it."
"True."
"So it's here and not here at the same time."
"Or rather there and not there at the same time."
"Same thing, no?"
"Surely, we're here, not there."
"To us, yes; but to others we're there."
"So we're here if we see us, but there , if others see us."
"Ah! Then the final answer must be, 'we're here because we see ourselves'; right?"
"And if we're not here, we don't see us - "
" - and neither does anyone else."
"Eh?!"
"They can't be there if we don't see them. I mean, what would make them be there?"
"Others who see them."
"But others can't be 'there' unless we see them: so if we're not here, they can't be either."
Round and round they go. How can they possibly tell that their cage is made of word, and that Word has no outside?
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Meanwhile........back to the game, eh.

To notbeold.

you: "Sorry if I seemed flippant about your decades of thought put into the equation, but I enjoyed it. I've done a lot of mind bashing navel gazing, philosophising, and like that sort of thing, [I need a girlfriend to help waste my time]."

me: A girl-friend.....no more glorious form of time-wasting for 'Man'. ("Woman: the only mercy ever shown to Man by the gods.")

you: "...nothing is curved, all is merely straight lines between points; nothing is straight, all is curved."

me: Spoken like a true Word-Cage occupant. Granted, one can never get outside it, and granted, it takes a great deal to finally get the real point[less], but once one knows a freedom that finally gives one total security, well, it was all worth the obstacle course.

p.s. You'd be surprised (or would you) how very very few people are willing to take up this challenge. After all to abandon one's god is tough enough, but to abandon EVERYTHING ?! Why, it doesn't bear thinking about...........

I notice that this is a philosophy thread and not a general discussion thread. I would think it should be in the Science and Philosophy section.

From a philosophical point of view, I have seen this before.
"I think therefore I am".

Here are some points that might prove interesting to consider.

Everyone is different. They have different perceptions of their reality.
If one is colorblind of one spectrum they will perceive the world a certain way. Colorblind in another spectrum, same world different view.

My imagination lets me perceive things that do not exist.
I can imagine a creature before me that does not exist. A monster, so to speak.
I can imagine the smell, sight and sounds it makes.
In my imagination it is as real as any other thing I experience but its not. My imagination does not make it reality.

When someone is under the influence of certain drugs or has a brain abnormality or is hallucinating they perceive things that are not reality. To them, their manifestations are their reality.
A person suffering from hallucinations can be standing right next to another person that doesn't imagine the same illusion and the sufferer's reality does not exist for them.

For example, Two people are standing in the yard. One screams out that a comet is about to hit them and destroy everything. The other person does not share that illusion and looks for said comet but nothing is found. If your hypothesis were correct, a comet would then destroy them both. The fact that no comet hit them is governed by reality, not imagination.

Reality is always reality. It has no compassion, rhyme or reason. It doesn't care, it just is.
People have problems dealing with the finality of reality. They adopt delusions to soften it, make it easier to handle.
Those delusions can manifest in different ways depending on the individual person. Sometimes as illusions that seem real as long as the delusion is maintained. The delusion supports the illusion.
People suffering from delusions can make their illusions reality.
This happens in religion a lot.
Subconsciously performing actions that support their delusion which causes reality to form that supports their delusion.

Its like people that exist with a negative mindset.
They imagine they find negative everywhere they look.
They look and find negative.
Its not because there is all negative, they see negative because they are looking for negative. They focus on negative and ignore the positive. Positive still happens all around them but they don't see it.
Everything is slanted to the negative. They perpetuate negative to create a reality of negative. Then they look around and everything is negative.
Their delusion creates the reality they perceive.

Tom4Uhere

you: I have seen this before. "I think therefore I am".
quoting me: “I THINK ∴ IT IS NOT”

When I know you have REALLY read my E=W, I may be happy to continue.

Meanwhile, if you don't mind, I'll leave this Waltz Of The Cuckoos.

Thank you.

I didn't read it so how could it exist?
Does it exist before I read it?

To notbeold.

If you have the time/inclination to check my last post under 'PHILOSOPHY', I'd be happy to hear from you.

keith