Topic: from government documents: 73,846 US TROOPS DEAD since Gulf
Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/12/07 09:29 AM

91 long time

why did he not let inspectors in

reason for noncompliance is usually noncompliance

it is easy to sit here and say things 6 years later

but if he would have permitted the inspections as ordered by

the good for absolutely nothing united nations

then are troops would not being dieing and getting hurt

if you must blame someone blame saddam

this attacking the govt is of no use to anyone

other than those that want us to let them have iraq

do i think we should still be there

no

but i think we should have went in with 600 000

and done the job and got out

but that is me

i wonder how many antiwar protesters realize

that they are demoralizing the very people

they say they are helping

i have talked to a number of service personal

that have been in iraq

and they have all said we need to be there

and that is good enough for me

first hand knowledge out ways opinion every time




I have said this from before the war was started. I could tell he was warring with a country that did not do 9/11, from get. I am one who kept telling people we should not go there, and the above reason why. I see what I see. I have researched and see what I see. Baby shrub is the bane to America.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/12/07 09:35 AM





Left wingers love the troops just like everyone else does, they do not support the war. It is an illegal war with a country that did not do 9/11, Saddam has paid with his life for 9/11, all this is illegal and wrong and cannot be made right. The troops follow orders, if the leader is wrong, the troops still follow orders. They are in hell because of babyshrubs attempts to control the world.




sadamm has paid with his life for the murder of

his fellow country persons

and found guilty by his own country persons

nothing to do with 911





Strange Saddam was what he was for many many years prior to 9/11, right???? Strange how babyshrub used the grief of Americans over 9/11 to go to Iraq to get a man who has been what he is for many many years, right???? Strange how babyshrub would not listen to intel about no WMD, we even had intel from 1991 showing he stopped his WMD then, ignored, right?????? Strange how 9/11 was reportedly done by bin laden and Saddam is now dead, right?????? Strange how babyshrubs cronies are getting full rights to bids of billion dollar jobs in Saudi and Iraq, right???? Strange how intel says bin laden is in Saudi and we have been there since the 90s but we do not have him, right????? You have been bamboozled my friend, in the worst way. We are losing troops daily for a man who had personal reasons to be in Iraq. We are facing recession here now and his cronies are growing richer and richer. It is an illegal war, illegal and wrong. We are now emmeshed in a religious war that has raged for many many years and we cannot fix that conflict. Babyshrub has taken America down the toilet and does not care.


Violence is way down, economy is on the rise, worth of Iraqi Dinar increasing, foreign Arab investors and banks coming in, markets full of people, streets full of cars, children out playing, school attendence up, deaths way down, attacks way down. Sunnis and Shi'ites working together to get rid of al Qaeda and foreign terrorists.

How dare a democratic government with a constitution for the people turn for the better after you've been pushing the civil war bull for years.

You are losing, it is crystal clear. Murtha is changing his tune and other Democrats who visited Iraq recently are going even further than he is.

Iraq will become the South Korea and Japan of the 21st Century, thanks to the good people of Iraq, and thanks to the intervention of the US and allies toppling a brutal dictator who financed terror and defied all orders for him by the international community to change his ways.



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Bullsh**, I watch news programs that say different. Interviews with the civilians on the streets. You know those programs that the main stream media will not post due to pressure from the conglamorates.laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh I am laughing but it really is not funny. It is a travesty to our country. explode


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Wed 12/12/07 09:40 AM
"Emerging from our bunkers into the Red Zone, I see the results everywhere. Throughout Baghdad, shops and street markets are open late again, taking advantage of the fine November weather. Parks are crowded with strollers, and kids play soccer on the streets. Traffic has resumed its customary epic snarl. . . . The Shorja bazaar in old Baghdad, hit by at least six different car bombs killing hundreds in the last year, is again crowded with people among the narrow tented stalls. On nearby Al-Rasheed Street, the famous booksellers are back in business . . . People are buying alcohol again - as they always had in Baghdad, until religious extremists forced many neighborhood liquor shops to close." - Rod Norland of Newsweek "Baghdad Comes Alive" http://www.newsweek.com/id/70990

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"civilian fatalities down 75 percent in recent months, Iraqi security-force casualties down 40 percent, total weekly attacks nationwide down nearly two-thirds since June." Cara Buckley and Michael R. Gordon of New York Times "U.S. Says Attacks in Iraq Fell to Feb. 2006 Level" http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?ex=1353128400&en=4e86cf9390494527&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

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"Sunnis and Shi'ites are joining hands at the local level to protect their communities from militants."

"are palpable. Killings are down dramatically and public confidence is reviving." LA Times article, read about in Boston Globe Article by Jeff Jacoby http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/11/25/lets_hear_it_for_good_news_from_iraq/

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"The Post credits this achievement to American soldiers in Iraq, to General David Petraeus, "and to President Bush, for making the decision to launch the surge against the advice of most of Congress and the country's foreign policy elite." Jeff Jacoby, Boston Globe, article linked from this article http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/11/25/lets_hear_it_for_good_news_from_iraq/


And this is nothing, I could report endlessly, showing picture after picture of change in Iraq. The war is not lost, in fact, Iraqis are returning to Iraq now, sectarian divides are diminishing, and Iraq is winning, democracy is winning in the Middle East.

adj4u's photo
Wed 12/12/07 09:40 AM
well bush may be a lot off things


and one of them is the president


and altho he went in improperly prepared

he is justified in going in

it is easy to say things after the fact

but he is the man

whether we like it or not

and i would hate to see where this

country would be if he lost

that was defiantly an election

of great evils

and the least evil won





no photo
Wed 12/12/07 09:41 AM
Davinci Ive read the high reports too....a long time ago.....I believe that the numbers are alot higher than what is actually written in the "news"frown

adj4u's photo
Wed 12/12/07 09:45 AM






Left wingers love the troops just like everyone else does, they do not support the war. It is an illegal war with a country that did not do 9/11, Saddam has paid with his life for 9/11, all this is illegal and wrong and cannot be made right. The troops follow orders, if the leader is wrong, the troops still follow orders. They are in hell because of babyshrubs attempts to control the world.




sadamm has paid with his life for the murder of

his fellow country persons

and found guilty by his own country persons

nothing to do with 911





Strange Saddam was what he was for many many years prior to 9/11, right???? Strange how babyshrub used the grief of Americans over 9/11 to go to Iraq to get a man who has been what he is for many many years, right???? Strange how babyshrub would not listen to intel about no WMD, we even had intel from 1991 showing he stopped his WMD then, ignored, right?????? Strange how 9/11 was reportedly done by bin laden and Saddam is now dead, right?????? Strange how babyshrubs cronies are getting full rights to bids of billion dollar jobs in Saudi and Iraq, right???? Strange how intel says bin laden is in Saudi and we have been there since the 90s but we do not have him, right????? You have been bamboozled my friend, in the worst way. We are losing troops daily for a man who had personal reasons to be in Iraq. We are facing recession here now and his cronies are growing richer and richer. It is an illegal war, illegal and wrong. We are now emmeshed in a religious war that has raged for many many years and we cannot fix that conflict. Babyshrub has taken America down the toilet and does not care.


Violence is way down, economy is on the rise, worth of Iraqi Dinar increasing, foreign Arab investors and banks coming in, markets full of people, streets full of cars, children out playing, school attendence up, deaths way down, attacks way down. Sunnis and Shi'ites working together to get rid of al Qaeda and foreign terrorists.

How dare a democratic government with a constitution for the people turn for the better after you've been pushing the civil war bull for years.

You are losing, it is crystal clear. Murtha is changing his tune and other Democrats who visited Iraq recently are going even further than he is.

Iraq will become the South Korea and Japan of the 21st Century, thanks to the good people of Iraq, and thanks to the intervention of the US and allies toppling a brutal dictator who financed terror and defied all orders for him by the international community to change his ways.



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Bullsh**, I watch news programs that say different. Interviews with the civilians on the streets. You know those programs that the main stream media will not post due to pressure from the conglamorates.laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh I am laughing but it really is not funny. It is a travesty to our country. explode





civilians on the street

get real they know nothing of what is going on there

they see all the demoralizing protests

and jump on the band wagon

if you wanna talk to someone

talk to the returning soldier

all i have talked to say we should be there

and who are we to tell them they are wrong




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Wed 12/12/07 09:48 AM
Why you have not heard good news as much, is because the journalists are suppressing it as much as possible, as are the anti-Iraq war types who know to lose their position is a huge political defeat.

This was on CNN, Sunday's "Reliable Sources":

All quotes are from a newsbusters article, linked at bottom:

"Robin Wright of the Washington Post and Barbara Starr of CNN - both supported the press burying this extremely positive announcement." http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/10/07/journalists-tell-howard-kurtz-why-good-news-iraq-shouldn-t-get-report

Good News for them is BAD NEWS, News not worthy of reporting. Even in Newspapers that did report it, the articles made page 10 in NY Times, page 14 in Washington Post, USA Today page 16. Good news they did report, but buried it as much as possible.

Only on Fox News do you hear this reported, Fox News reporting on the reports from NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, and other journalists reporting different tunes about Iraq. Elsewhere, only ABC Charles Gibson did a huge segment on the change in Iraq, the new trend. Nowhere else did you hear anything. Charles Gibson is a good anchor and I am glad he reported this as well.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/12/07 09:50 AM

"Emerging from our bunkers into the Red Zone, I see the results everywhere. Throughout Baghdad, shops and street markets are open late again, taking advantage of the fine November weather. Parks are crowded with strollers, and kids play soccer on the streets. Traffic has resumed its customary epic snarl. . . . The Shorja bazaar in old Baghdad, hit by at least six different car bombs killing hundreds in the last year, is again crowded with people among the narrow tented stalls. On nearby Al-Rasheed Street, the famous booksellers are back in business . . . People are buying alcohol again - as they always had in Baghdad, until religious extremists forced many neighborhood liquor shops to close." - Rod Norland of Newsweek "Baghdad Comes Alive" http://www.newsweek.com/id/70990

---

"civilian fatalities down 75 percent in recent months, Iraqi security-force casualties down 40 percent, total weekly attacks nationwide down nearly two-thirds since June." Cara Buckley and Michael R. Gordon of New York Times "U.S. Says Attacks in Iraq Fell to Feb. 2006 Level" http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?ex=1353128400&en=4e86cf9390494527&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

---

"Sunnis and Shi'ites are joining hands at the local level to protect their communities from militants."

"are palpable. Killings are down dramatically and public confidence is reviving." LA Times article, read about in Boston Globe Article by Jeff Jacoby http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/11/25/lets_hear_it_for_good_news_from_iraq/

---

"The Post credits this achievement to American soldiers in Iraq, to General David Petraeus, "and to President Bush, for making the decision to launch the surge against the advice of most of Congress and the country's foreign policy elite." Jeff Jacoby, Boston Globe, article linked from this article http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/11/25/lets_hear_it_for_good_news_from_iraq/


And this is nothing, I could report endlessly, showing picture after picture of change in Iraq. The war is not lost, in fact, Iraqis are returning to Iraq now, sectarian divides are diminishing, and Iraq is winning, democracy is winning in the Middle East.


You can cut and paste until never and it still will not make it a legal war. It will not make it a just war. It will not make baby shrub right at any level.

I hate to say things like this but it will return to what it was before, once we leave so we either stay forever or leave and let THEM CONTROL THEIR OWN COUNTRY THAT DID NOT DO 9/11, HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 ETC......... WE SHOULD NOT BE THERE! WE SHOULD HAVE BIN LADEN NOW AND HE SHOULD HAVE DIED FOR THE CRIME AGAINST OUR COUNTRY, NOT SADDAM!!!!!!

Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/12/07 09:53 AM







Left wingers love the troops just like everyone else does, they do not support the war. It is an illegal war with a country that did not do 9/11, Saddam has paid with his life for 9/11, all this is illegal and wrong and cannot be made right. The troops follow orders, if the leader is wrong, the troops still follow orders. They are in hell because of babyshrubs attempts to control the world.




sadamm has paid with his life for the murder of

his fellow country persons

and found guilty by his own country persons

nothing to do with 911





Strange Saddam was what he was for many many years prior to 9/11, right???? Strange how babyshrub used the grief of Americans over 9/11 to go to Iraq to get a man who has been what he is for many many years, right???? Strange how babyshrub would not listen to intel about no WMD, we even had intel from 1991 showing he stopped his WMD then, ignored, right?????? Strange how 9/11 was reportedly done by bin laden and Saddam is now dead, right?????? Strange how babyshrubs cronies are getting full rights to bids of billion dollar jobs in Saudi and Iraq, right???? Strange how intel says bin laden is in Saudi and we have been there since the 90s but we do not have him, right????? You have been bamboozled my friend, in the worst way. We are losing troops daily for a man who had personal reasons to be in Iraq. We are facing recession here now and his cronies are growing richer and richer. It is an illegal war, illegal and wrong. We are now emmeshed in a religious war that has raged for many many years and we cannot fix that conflict. Babyshrub has taken America down the toilet and does not care.


Violence is way down, economy is on the rise, worth of Iraqi Dinar increasing, foreign Arab investors and banks coming in, markets full of people, streets full of cars, children out playing, school attendence up, deaths way down, attacks way down. Sunnis and Shi'ites working together to get rid of al Qaeda and foreign terrorists.

How dare a democratic government with a constitution for the people turn for the better after you've been pushing the civil war bull for years.

You are losing, it is crystal clear. Murtha is changing his tune and other Democrats who visited Iraq recently are going even further than he is.

Iraq will become the South Korea and Japan of the 21st Century, thanks to the good people of Iraq, and thanks to the intervention of the US and allies toppling a brutal dictator who financed terror and defied all orders for him by the international community to change his ways.



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Bullsh**, I watch news programs that say different. Interviews with the civilians on the streets. You know those programs that the main stream media will not post due to pressure from the conglamorates.laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh I am laughing but it really is not funny. It is a travesty to our country. explode





civilians on the street

get real they know nothing of what is going on there

they see all the demoralizing protests

and jump on the band wagon

if you wanna talk to someone

talk to the returning soldier

all i have talked to say we should be there

and who are we to tell them they are wrong






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Civilians of a country we did a preemptory strike on???? They have no say as to the conditions of THEIR COUNTRY???????? THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY LIVE, THE MINDSET OF THE PEOPLE????????noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway

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Wed 12/12/07 09:56 AM


"Emerging from our bunkers into the Red Zone, I see the results everywhere. Throughout Baghdad, shops and street markets are open late again, taking advantage of the fine November weather. Parks are crowded with strollers, and kids play soccer on the streets. Traffic has resumed its customary epic snarl. . . . The Shorja bazaar in old Baghdad, hit by at least six different car bombs killing hundreds in the last year, is again crowded with people among the narrow tented stalls. On nearby Al-Rasheed Street, the famous booksellers are back in business . . . People are buying alcohol again - as they always had in Baghdad, until religious extremists forced many neighborhood liquor shops to close." - Rod Norland of Newsweek "Baghdad Comes Alive" http://www.newsweek.com/id/70990

---

"civilian fatalities down 75 percent in recent months, Iraqi security-force casualties down 40 percent, total weekly attacks nationwide down nearly two-thirds since June." Cara Buckley and Michael R. Gordon of New York Times "U.S. Says Attacks in Iraq Fell to Feb. 2006 Level" http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/19/world/middleeast/19iraq.html?ex=1353128400&en=4e86cf9390494527&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

---

"Sunnis and Shi'ites are joining hands at the local level to protect their communities from militants."

"are palpable. Killings are down dramatically and public confidence is reviving." LA Times article, read about in Boston Globe Article by Jeff Jacoby http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/11/25/lets_hear_it_for_good_news_from_iraq/

---

"The Post credits this achievement to American soldiers in Iraq, to General David Petraeus, "and to President Bush, for making the decision to launch the surge against the advice of most of Congress and the country's foreign policy elite." Jeff Jacoby, Boston Globe, article linked from this article http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/11/25/lets_hear_it_for_good_news_from_iraq/


And this is nothing, I could report endlessly, showing picture after picture of change in Iraq. The war is not lost, in fact, Iraqis are returning to Iraq now, sectarian divides are diminishing, and Iraq is winning, democracy is winning in the Middle East.


You can cut and paste until never and it still will not make it a legal war. It will not make it a just war. It will not make baby shrub right at any level.

I hate to say things like this but it will return to what it was before, once we leave so we either stay forever or leave and let THEM CONTROL THEIR OWN COUNTRY THAT DID NOT DO 9/11, HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9/11 ETC......... WE SHOULD NOT BE THERE! WE SHOULD HAVE BIN LADEN NOW AND HE SHOULD HAVE DIED FOR THE CRIME AGAINST OUR COUNTRY, NOT SADDAM!!!!!!


Ignoring the entirity of hysterics on your part due to the Caps and exclamation and the disrespect you show for the President of the United States, I will move on because no matter the hard facts you will never clear your mind of the absolute hatred you have. As well as the lack of optimism, which is never healthy to have, pessimistic lifestyle is damaging to sanity and health. Plus, it is as much of an personal disgust you must have for the Iraqi people and people of the Middle East, believing they are an obvious inferior people in your mind, incapable of having a republic, a democratic state like ours, even though Iraq had one of the first attempts at democratic institutions in the history of the world.

I suppose you support doing something in Darfur though?

adj4u's photo
Wed 12/12/07 09:57 AM
you went there and talked to them did you

no photo
Wed 12/12/07 09:57 AM








Left wingers love the troops just like everyone else does, they do not support the war. It is an illegal war with a country that did not do 9/11, Saddam has paid with his life for 9/11, all this is illegal and wrong and cannot be made right. The troops follow orders, if the leader is wrong, the troops still follow orders. They are in hell because of babyshrubs attempts to control the world.




sadamm has paid with his life for the murder of

his fellow country persons

and found guilty by his own country persons

nothing to do with 911





Strange Saddam was what he was for many many years prior to 9/11, right???? Strange how babyshrub used the grief of Americans over 9/11 to go to Iraq to get a man who has been what he is for many many years, right???? Strange how babyshrub would not listen to intel about no WMD, we even had intel from 1991 showing he stopped his WMD then, ignored, right?????? Strange how 9/11 was reportedly done by bin laden and Saddam is now dead, right?????? Strange how babyshrubs cronies are getting full rights to bids of billion dollar jobs in Saudi and Iraq, right???? Strange how intel says bin laden is in Saudi and we have been there since the 90s but we do not have him, right????? You have been bamboozled my friend, in the worst way. We are losing troops daily for a man who had personal reasons to be in Iraq. We are facing recession here now and his cronies are growing richer and richer. It is an illegal war, illegal and wrong. We are now emmeshed in a religious war that has raged for many many years and we cannot fix that conflict. Babyshrub has taken America down the toilet and does not care.


Violence is way down, economy is on the rise, worth of Iraqi Dinar increasing, foreign Arab investors and banks coming in, markets full of people, streets full of cars, children out playing, school attendence up, deaths way down, attacks way down. Sunnis and Shi'ites working together to get rid of al Qaeda and foreign terrorists.

How dare a democratic government with a constitution for the people turn for the better after you've been pushing the civil war bull for years.

You are losing, it is crystal clear. Murtha is changing his tune and other Democrats who visited Iraq recently are going even further than he is.

Iraq will become the South Korea and Japan of the 21st Century, thanks to the good people of Iraq, and thanks to the intervention of the US and allies toppling a brutal dictator who financed terror and defied all orders for him by the international community to change his ways.



noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Bullsh**, I watch news programs that say different. Interviews with the civilians on the streets. You know those programs that the main stream media will not post due to pressure from the conglamorates.laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh I am laughing but it really is not funny. It is a travesty to our country. explode





civilians on the street

get real they know nothing of what is going on there

they see all the demoralizing protests

and jump on the band wagon

if you wanna talk to someone

talk to the returning soldier

all i have talked to say we should be there

and who are we to tell them they are wrong






noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway
Civilians of a country we did a preemptory strike on???? They have no say as to the conditions of THEIR COUNTRY???????? THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY LIVE, THE MINDSET OF THE PEOPLE????????noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway noway


Again more bigotry towards Iraqi and Arab people. They have no idea how they life? Iraqi civilians are highly educated, Saddam never took that away from them, at least those in central cities.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 12/12/07 10:15 AM
I cannot help if you are easily mislead. You believe the garbage fed to us by this man who you are trying to hold high regards for but has proven himself incompetent for the job at more than one level. You have the right to feel how you do. I will say again when/if we leave Iraq the religious secterian violence will start again. The people on the streets are not satisfied with the sitting government and they are not satisfied with the control Americans are handing around. This is the people of this country talking not me. So they are saying they are not happy with the current changes being forced on them.

Again you can try to justify a preemptory attack on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, it is not a valid justification. You can pretend that the rose colored glasses your government has gently set on your face to show how right shrub was to personally decide Iraq was the best target after 9/11, will help make it right at some level, it will not.

I have the right to not support babyshrub. Never voted for him, he was too manipulative from the beginning. I will never support the worst president in American history. I can stand tall here as I did not ever support him. I have waited patiently for him to be gone so our country can rebuild the terror he has reeked on our nation. We are facing a recession now because of him and his sick ideals.

I hate what he has done to our country, I do not hate him. I do not know him personally to hate him. As for the bias of the Iraqis, no bias, their country is their own and if they wanted it to be a democracy, they could have done it on their own. We preemptively struck their country, tore it to bits, and we are now forcing the people to accept what they are not going to. They will bide their time until we leave and take it back, you watch and see. Civilians are not accepting what is being done. That is the fact of the streets. Sure they will continue to live daily lives but the resentment is there and it will come out when the overbearing control is gone.

Okay and now I will stop.

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Wed 12/12/07 10:16 AM

I cannot help if you are easily mislead. You believe the garbage fed to us by this man who you are trying to hold high regards for but has proven himself incompetent for the job at more than one level. You have the right to feel how you do. I will say again when/if we leave Iraq the religious secterian violence will start again. The people on the streets are not satisfied with the sitting government and they are not satisfied with the control Americans are handing around. This is the people of this country talking not me. So they are saying they are not happy with the current changes being forced on them.

Again you can try to justify a preemptory attack on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, it is not a valid justification. You can pretend that the rose colored glasses your government has gently set on your face to show how right shrub was to personally decide Iraq was the best target after 9/11, will help make it right at some level, it will not.

I have the right to not support babyshrub. Never voted for him, he was too manipulative from the beginning. I will never support the worst president in American history. I can stand tall here as I did not ever support him. I have waited patiently for him to be gone so our country can rebuild the terror he has reeked on our nation. We are facing a recession now because of him and his sick ideals.

I hate what he has done to our country, I do not hate him. I do not know him personally to hate him. As for the bias of the Iraqis, no bias, their country is their own and if they wanted it to be a democracy, they could have done it on their own. We preemptively struck their country, tore it to bits, and we are now forcing the people to accept what they are not going to. They will bide their time until we leave and take it back, you watch and see. Civilians are not accepting what is being done. That is the fact of the streets. Sure they will continue to live daily lives but the resentment is there and it will come out when the overbearing control is gone.

Okay and now I will stop.

no photo
Wed 12/12/07 10:16 AM

I cannot help if you are easily mislead. You believe the garbage fed to us by this man who you are trying to hold high regards for but has proven himself incompetent for the job at more than one level. You have the right to feel how you do. I will say again when/if we leave Iraq the religious secterian violence will start again. The people on the streets are not satisfied with the sitting government and they are not satisfied with the control Americans are handing around. This is the people of this country talking not me. So they are saying they are not happy with the current changes being forced on them.

Again you can try to justify a preemptory attack on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, it is not a valid justification. You can pretend that the rose colored glasses your government has gently set on your face to show how right shrub was to personally decide Iraq was the best target after 9/11, will help make it right at some level, it will not.

I have the right to not support babyshrub. Never voted for him, he was too manipulative from the beginning. I will never support the worst president in American history. I can stand tall here as I did not ever support him. I have waited patiently for him to be gone so our country can rebuild the terror he has reeked on our nation. We are facing a recession now because of him and his sick ideals.

I hate what he has done to our country, I do not hate him. I do not know him personally to hate him. As for the bias of the Iraqis, no bias, their country is their own and if they wanted it to be a democracy, they could have done it on their own. We preemptively struck their country, tore it to bits, and we are now forcing the people to accept what they are not going to. They will bide their time until we leave and take it back, you watch and see. Civilians are not accepting what is being done. That is the fact of the streets. Sure they will continue to live daily lives but the resentment is there and it will come out when the overbearing control is gone.

Okay and now I will stop.

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Wed 12/12/07 10:25 AM
i REALLY hate the quote button here......grumble grumble grumble grumble grumble

Once I weed out all that crap.....I cant actually see your answergrumble grumble grumble grumble

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Wed 12/12/07 10:26 AM

I cannot help if you are easily mislead. You believe the garbage fed to us by this man who you are trying to hold high regards for but has proven himself incompetent for the job at more than one level. You have the right to feel how you do. I will say again when/if we leave Iraq the religious secterian violence will start again. The people on the streets are not satisfied with the sitting government and they are not satisfied with the control Americans are handing around. This is the people of this country talking not me. So they are saying they are not happy with the current changes being forced on them.

Again you can try to justify a preemptory attack on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, it is not a valid justification. You can pretend that the rose colored glasses your government has gently set on your face to show how right shrub was to personally decide Iraq was the best target after 9/11, will help make it right at some level, it will not.

I have the right to not support babyshrub. Never voted for him, he was too manipulative from the beginning. I will never support the worst president in American history. I can stand tall here as I did not ever support him. I have waited patiently for him to be gone so our country can rebuild the terror he has reeked on our nation. We are facing a recession now because of him and his sick ideals.

I hate what he has done to our country, I do not hate him. I do not know him personally to hate him. As for the bias of the Iraqis, no bias, their country is their own and if they wanted it to be a democracy, they could have done it on their own. We preemptively struck their country, tore it to bits, and we are now forcing the people to accept what they are not going to. They will bide their time until we leave and take it back, you watch and see. Civilians are not accepting what is being done. That is the fact of the streets. Sure they will continue to live daily lives but the resentment is there and it will come out when the overbearing control is gone.

Okay and now I will stop.


Despite your hatred, you should still respect the office of the President of the United States, elected by the people, who is your President as well. We are forcing the people to do nothing. There had been dissidents and those who fled the country for many years, more than a decade for this to come to Iraq. Iraqi's are well educated people. Do remember the Iraqi people were not forced to the streets to come out and vote, they did that all on their own, multiple times. And, do remember it was THEIR elected leaders who wrote a Constitution. We forced nothing, we assisted. Again, your bigotry, though it may just be ignorance, comes through and shows itself.

If they wanted a democracy they would have done it on their own. I guess you don't understand the idea of a brutal dictatorship. They tried to revolt and when they did they were slaughtered. Torture chambers all over Iraq, mass graves, videos of tortures, people being thrown off roofs. But, yeah, they should have rose up and overthrown Saddam on their own. How stupid that they could not even do that. They are no worthy of freedom from dictatorship. Come on! What a ridiculous statement, very demeaning to Iraqi's who lost family members because they stood up to Saddam or simply because he disliked them.

And then you go on to speak for the Iraqi's like you have been there and talked to them all. You are talking through ignorance like you are well informed and yet what you are saying is so obviously full of ignorance. The iraqis have always been capitalists, they link themselves much more with Gulf States, like the UAE. They will become a democratic economic empire. As you said, just you watch.

You are demeaning to the iraqi people, just like your types are demeaning towards african people.

I give up, I have facts, reports, and history to back up everything I stated and all you are using is false pretenses and talking points of leftie elitists who are really bigots, talking down about people of different skin colors, using them as victims for their own personal gain and subjugation of them.

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Wed 12/12/07 10:28 AM
well did you go to iraq

and talk to the civilians

you are quoting or not


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Wed 12/12/07 10:32 AM
Again ignoring all your personal insults, I say

I cannot help if you are easily mislead. You believe the garbage fed to us by this man who you are trying to hold high regards for but has proven himself incompetent for the job at more than one level. You have the right to feel how you do. I will say again when/if we leave Iraq the religious secterian violence will start again. The people on the streets are not satisfied with the sitting government and they are not satisfied with the control Americans are handing around. This is the people of this country talking not me. So they are saying they are not happy with the current changes being forced on them.

Again you can try to justify a preemptory attack on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, it is not a valid justification. You can pretend that the rose colored glasses your government has gently set on your face to show how right shrub was to personally decide Iraq was the best target after 9/11, will help make it right at some level, it will not.

I have the right to not support babyshrub. Never voted for him, he was too manipulative from the beginning. I will never support the worst president in American history. I can stand tall here as I did not ever support him. I have waited patiently for him to be gone so our country can rebuild the terror he has reeked on our nation. We are facing a recession now because of him and his sick ideals.

I hate what he has done to our country, I do not hate him. I do not know him personally to hate him. As for the bias of the Iraqis, no bias, their country is their own and if they wanted it to be a democracy, they could have done it on their own. We preemptively struck their country, tore it to bits, and we are now forcing the people to accept what they are not going to. They will bide their time until we leave and take it back, you watch and see. Civilians are not accepting what is being done. That is the fact of the streets. Sure they will continue to live daily lives but the resentment is there and it will come out when the overbearing control is gone.

Okay and now I will stop.

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Wed 12/12/07 10:33 AM
we should really keep this

as general as possible

and not make insinuations

of intentions

i am tired of posting

in threads that get deleted

because we get out of hand