Topic: So much for gun control.
Let'sDoThis's photo
Wed 12/04/19 02:14 PM

I am so against premeditated taking of life.

I'm confused.
Are you pro-life or Pro- choice?

oldkid46's photo
Wed 12/04/19 08:37 PM


I think most people will support stronger penalties for the illegal use or possession of a firearm. I think they would also support some level of required knowledge and emotional stability to purchase. What they will not support is the government or some other organization knowing who has a firearm and what that firearm is.


How else do we track if someone is supposed to have that weapon?
You put everyone through the same test of allowed to own/purchase. Those that are approved get it noted on their government issued ID. With that approved ID, they are allowed to purchase and possess. Even those who have no interest in owning or purchasing a weapon still go through the background test. The goal is to make sure someone purchasing or owning a weapon is a safe, law-abiding individual not how many and type of firearm they may own!!

no photo
Thu 12/05/19 09:27 AM
So much for gun control...
A disarmed populace are easy targets.
https://youtu.be/1CVvBSAUuZ0


IMO you're doing something similar to gun control advocates when they look at a tragedy and just start yelling for gun control.

Based on the link there was a shootout between Mexican security and suspected cartel gunmen, alleged members of the cartel de noreaste.
Supposing the allegations/story true, the problem is a lot bigger and more complex than "gun control."

I mean around 5-10 years ago more than 1/4 of the Mexican army deserted, many/most carrying off their weapons, and many going to work for the cartels.

IMO you seem to be oversimplifying a Mexican issue for the sake of promoting a personal/U.S. agenda, where what you're using isn't all that relevant or meaningful to the actual situation.
Might as well link footage from WWII or 9/11 and say "so much for gun control."

if you are going to allow people to own and carry weapons

Rights don't come from the government nor what other people "allow."
At least in the U.S., weapons (arms) are enumerated as a right in the constitution.
The people "allow" government the power and authority to limit the expression of rights to some acceptable degree.

Saying "if you are going to allow people to own and carry weapons" is a fundamentally flawed viewpoint of "rights," from the perspective of the U.S.
IMO it's like saying "if you are going to allow people to have children."
Permission is not needed to express rights. Permission is needed to infringe upon them. At least IMO.

Unfortunately, it seems to be a concept/viewpoint that is running rampant.
Attempting to force people to seek permission before expressing rights, as well as to seek authoritative legitimizing of expression and forced acceptance, especially of things that aren't clearly rights.

I think most people will support stronger penalties for the illegal use or possession of a firearm.

I wouldn't.
I would support shifting funding, preferably from social programs, to what Obama (and many other presidents, politicians, and bureaucrats have) proposed (but usually failed because they kept adding stupid crap, like what Obama did), to run background checks 24/7, with enough people to actually perform and follow up on them within the 3 day period.

IOW I would support government actually enforcing the laws they already have.

Career criminals laugh at our laws.
Execute a bunch and the rest may learn restraint.

Or they may simply escalate what they're doing.
In for a penny, in for a pound so to speak.

I'd like to see, Constitutional Carry.
Either purchase the weapons of your choice or, our government supply all willing and able adults with the weapon of our choice. Free safety, maintenance and proficiency classes

Personally, I like this.
Personally, I would have loved it if in (compulsory) high school they taught self defense and gun safety, as opposed to dancing, volleyball, basketball, etc. I mean we did dodge ball, fencing, and archery, why not karate and gun safety/target shooting.
Plus our high school was old, it had a shooting range in the sub basement/bomb shelter where they used to train junior ROTC.

In high school my friends and I took a hunter safety course before we bought our first guns. We had a list for turning 18 we did each time one of us had that birthday. Buy cigarettes/cigars, lottery tickets, get into the porn store, and buy guns.
We just assumed the safety course would help us. The mental process for taking the safety course was the same as looking up reviews online before buying a product, that knowledge is beneficial. The 10 rules of firearm safety haven't really changed in nearly 30 years.

msharmony's photo
Thu 12/05/19 10:07 PM


I am so against premeditated taking of life.

I'm confused.
Are you pro-life or Pro- choice?





i do not agree with scheduling deaths. So an appointment to come in and end human life is not something I am for.

msharmony's photo
Thu 12/05/19 10:10 PM



I think most people will support stronger penalties for the illegal use or possession of a firearm. I think they would also support some level of required knowledge and emotional stability to purchase. What they will not support is the government or some other organization knowing who has a firearm and what that firearm is.


How else do we track if someone is supposed to have that weapon?
You put everyone through the same test of allowed to own/purchase. Those that are approved get it noted on their government issued ID. With that approved ID, they are allowed to purchase and possess. Even those who ow have no interest in owning or purchasing a weapon still go through the background test. The goal is to make sure someone purchasing or owning a weapon is a safe, law-abiding individual not how many and type of firearm they may own!!


and if a law abiding owner uses their weapon in a crime, or steals another law biding owner's weapon, how do we assign who legally owed THAT weapon?

Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/06/19 06:16 AM



I am so against premeditated taking of life.

I'm confused.
Are you pro-life or Pro- choice?





i do not agree with scheduling deaths. So an appointment to come in and end human life is not something I am for.

My inclination is, anyone who coddles dangerous, career criminals and condones abortion is a hypocrite.
Do you agree?

oldkid46's photo
Fri 12/06/19 09:14 AM




I think most people will support stronger penalties for the illegal use or possession of a firearm. I think they would also support some level of required knowledge and emotional stability to purchase. What they will not support is the government or some other organization knowing who has a firearm and what that firearm is.


How else do we track if someone is supposed to have that weapon?
You put everyone through the same test of allowed to own/purchase. Those that are approved get it noted on their government issued ID. With that approved ID, they are allowed to purchase and possess. Even those who ow have no interest in owning or purchasing a weapon still go through the background test. The goal is to make sure someone purchasing or owning a weapon is a safe, law-abiding individual not how many and type of firearm they may own!!


and if a law abiding owner uses their weapon in a crime, or steals another law biding owner's weapon, how do we assign who legally owed THAT weapon?
Doesn't matter who owned the weapon. If I stole your money or tv, how do you prove it was yours? If a crime was committed. we resole the crime and prosecute the perpetrator; the owner of the gun is irrelevant only that a gun was used in the crime. Also, obviously our judgement as to someone being law abiding was flawed and they should not have been allowed to purchase.

Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/06/19 09:37 AM
Anyone with the Unconditional carry permit knows how rigorous the background check is.
Any weapon purchased at a store has to fill out a background check.
CL owners don't have a waiting period here, in Texas.
Private sales, mostly, require filling out a sale form. Has to have the purchasers DL, signature, make, model, calibre and serial number.
The seller has to keep it on file.
Soooo, Communist Leftists, how about making laws to take weapons away from known criminals and the Mexican Cartel who got them via the last. President?

no photo
Fri 12/06/19 11:09 AM
Us homicides

1980 10.0
1994 10.0

2014 rate of 4.4 per 100 000
2015 4.9
2016 5.3
2018 5.3

so what happened in the 80s and early 90s? apart from Reagon lol

It's almost twice as safe now. Flippin heck. relax Us lol, chill. Don't be so fearful and jumpy :) And don't trust the media without looking things up yourself.

Take a holiday to indonesia. They're a chilled out lot.

Spread the love


Argo's photo
Fri 12/06/19 11:27 AM
nikolas cruz (17 dead)
devin kelly (25 dead)
steven paddock (58 dead)
omar mateen (49 dead)
syed farook (14 dead)
chris harper-mercer (10 dead)
dylynn roof (9 dead)

not counting the injured that is 182 people murdered by these seven
who have at least one thing in common.....all were legal gun owners
using their weapon of choice to commit their crimes...

unfortunately, legally purchased guns and/or having permits
do not come with good-guy white hats attached with each sale...

#BadGuysBuyGunsToo

Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/06/19 11:43 AM
Edited by Let'sDoThis on Fri 12/06/19 11:43 AM

nikolas cruz (17 dead)
devin kelly (25 dead)
steven paddock (58 dead)
omar mateen (49 dead)
syed farook (14 dead)
chris harper-mercer (10 dead)
dylynn roof (9 dead)

not counting the injured that is 182 people murdered by these seven
who have at least one thing in common.....all were legal gun owners
using their weapon of choice to commit their crimes...

unfortunately, legally purchased guns and/or having permits
do not come with good-guy white hats attached with each sale...

#BadGuysBuyGunsToo

10 to 1, 99% of your list of shooters are registered Dems.
Planned Parenthood has way more confirmed kills than all shootings in US history.

Argo's photo
Fri 12/06/19 12:11 PM


nikolas cruz (17 dead)
devin kelly (25 dead)
steven paddock (58 dead)
omar mateen (49 dead)
syed farook (14 dead)
chris harper-mercer (10 dead)
dylynn roof (9 dead)

not counting the injured that is 182 people murdered by these seven
who have at least one thing in common.....all were legal gun owners
using their weapon of choice to commit their crimes...

unfortunately, legally purchased guns and/or having permits
do not come with good-guy white hats attached with each sale...

#BadGuysBuyGunsToo


10 to 1, 99% of your list of shooters are registered Dems.
Planned Parenthood has way more confirmed kills than all shootings in US history.


please, have some more of that orange kool aid...
2nd cup is free just like 1st one was....10 to 1 you'll lap it up ...

Argo's photo
Fri 12/06/19 12:11 PM
Edited by Argo on Fri 12/06/19 12:12 PM
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Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/06/19 12:55 PM



nikolas cruz (17 dead)
devin kelly (25 dead)
steven paddock (58 dead)
omar mateen (49 dead)
syed farook (14 dead)
chris harper-mercer (10 dead)
dylynn roof (9 dead)

not counting the injured that is 182 people murdered by these seven
who have at least one thing in common.....all were legal gun owners
using their weapon of choice to commit their crimes...

unfortunately, legally purchased guns and/or having permits
do not come with good-guy white hats attached with each sale...

#BadGuysBuyGunsToo


10 to 1, 99% of your list of shooters are registered Dems.
Planned Parenthood has way more confirmed kills than all shootings in US history.


please, have some more of that orange kool aid...
2nd cup is free just like 1st one was....10 to 1 you'll lap it up ...

Prove me wrong.

Argo's photo
Fri 12/06/19 01:18 PM




nikolas cruz (17 dead)
devin kelly (25 dead)
steven paddock (58 dead)
omar mateen (49 dead)
syed farook (14 dead)
chris harper-mercer (10 dead)
dylynn roof (9 dead)

not counting the injured that is 182 people murdered by these seven
who have at least one thing in common.....all were legal gun owners
using their weapon of choice to commit their crimes...

unfortunately, legally purchased guns and/or having permits
do not come with good-guy white hats attached with each sale...

#BadGuysBuyGunsToo


10 to 1, 99% of your list of shooters are registered Dems.
Planned Parenthood has way more confirmed kills than all shootings in US history.


please, have some more of that orange kool aid...
2nd cup is free just like 1st one was....10 to 1 you'll lap it up ...



Prove me wrong.



that comment ^^.....registers a 9.9 out of 10 on the conflating troll scale...

i don't prove your vague statements wrong....you made the statements,
it's up to you prove them right indifferent

Argo's photo
Fri 12/06/19 01:18 PM




nikolas cruz (17 dead)
devin kelly (25 dead)
steven paddock (58 dead)
omar mateen (49 dead)
syed farook (14 dead)
chris harper-mercer (10 dead)
dylynn roof (9 dead)

not counting the injured that is 182 people murdered by these seven
who have at least one thing in common.....all were legal gun owners
using their weapon of choice to commit their crimes...

unfortunately, legally purchased guns and/or having permits
do not come with good-guy white hats attached with each sale...

#BadGuysBuyGunsToo


10 to 1, 99% of your list of shooters are registered Dems.
Planned Parenthood has way more confirmed kills than all shootings in US history.


please, have some more of that orange kool aid...
2nd cup is free just like 1st one was....10 to 1 you'll lap it up ...



Prove me wrong.



that comment ^^.....registers a 9.9 out of 10 on the conflating troll scale...

i don't prove your vague statements wrong....you made the statements,
it's up to you prove them right indifferent

Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/06/19 02:52 PM
It's not surprising. What with all the Dems calling for violence against conservatives. They're even calling for the assassination of OUR President.
Not surprising at all.

Argo's photo
Fri 12/06/19 03:08 PM

It's not surprising. What with all the Dems calling for violence against conservatives. They're even calling for the assassination of OUR President.
Not surprising at all.

i want to report all of those Dems calling for the assassination of the
president to the FBI....WHAT are their NAMES please ???

#BagFullaWind

Argo's photo
Fri 12/06/19 03:08 PM
Edited by Argo on Fri 12/06/19 03:09 PM
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Let'sDoThis's photo
Fri 12/06/19 04:27 PM

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Denial is not a river in Egypt