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Topic: SOMEBODY'S RAISING THEIR KID RIGHT!
kojack's photo
Tue 12/18/07 07:14 AM

SOMEBODY'S RAISING THEIR KID RIGHT! One Nation, "Under God."

One day a 6 year old girl was sitting in a classroom. The teacher was going to explain evolution to the children. The teacher asked a little boy: Tommy do you see the tree outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
TEACHER: Go outside and look up and see if you can see the sky.
TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.
TEACHER: Did you see God up there?
TOMMY: No.
TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see God because he isn't there. Possibly he just doesn't exist.

A little girl spoke up and wanted to ask the boy some questions.
The teacher agreed and the little girl asked the boy: Tommy, do you see the tree outside?
TOMMY: Yes.
LITTLE GIRL: Tommy do you see the grass outside?
TOMMY: Yessssss!
LITTLE GIRL: Did you see the sky?
TOMMY: Yessssss!
LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the teacher?
TOMMY: Yes
LITTLE GIRL: Do you see her brain?
TOMMY: No
LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we were taught today in school, she possibly may not even have one!
(You Go Girl!)


FOR WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT" II CORINTHIANS 5:7


Don't forget to pass this on! I love this one. Everyone should send this to everyone they know, especially today with prayer restricted in schools. Forward if you believe in GOD!!!!


thumper95's photo
Tue 12/18/07 07:17 AM
kojack,, i like that one,,

no photo
Tue 12/18/07 07:20 AM
Good post!!bigsmile bigsmile

kojack's photo
Tue 12/18/07 07:27 AM
Thanks all I had to share that.

This is the time of year to prepare for the coming of God, Our lord and Savior

thumper95's photo
Tue 12/18/07 07:29 AM
kojack,, ya might not know it,, but i am a preachers kid, i know the gospel, but i got my issues with the church, but i know whos above, who came to die, and what he came for, and whos the worst one of the bunch

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 12/18/07 09:34 AM
Everyone should send this to everyone they know, especially today with prayer restricted in schools.


With all due respect Kojack, I think this kind of rhetoric is misplaced.

Let’s take a look at some facts,…

1. It is just as much against the law to preach atheism in school as any other spiritual idea.

In other words, the very premise that it would be OK for a teacher to teach children that God does not exist is wrong. Any such teacher would be in big trouble if they chose to take that path. So your scenario in the OP is a fabrication and does not reflect truth.

2. Keeping religion out of public schools is the only practical way to handle religion in a multi-religion and diverse society.

The people who post objections to this are often thinking in terms of Christianity, but how would you feel if the teachers said prayers in your child’s classroom and ended them with, “In Allah’s name we pray”.

The TRUTH of the situation is that Christianity had its way for many years preaching it’s Christian view of God to children in Public schools over and above all other views. It was finally realized that this does not fit in with the freedom of religion that is guaranteeded in our constitution. The children of non-Christian families were being taught to pray to the Christian God. And, of course, even atheists have a right not to have religion pushed onto them from any religious group.

The only reason that Christians became upset with this whole thing is because they were denied a means of proselytizing at the expense of other people. A media that they took advantage of for many years! What better situation to proselytize in than to have fresh young minds held captive in a learning environment with no parents around to protect them?

Christians got away with this style of proselytizing for many years. Now they have to be like everyone else and back off. So they are unhappy about it. But why should they be unhappy? All they were asked to do is be like everyone else and respect the religions of others.

The law to not allow religion in public schools is the only possible way to uphold the constitution. And that law includes the preaching of atheism.

So sending this kind of email around to rile people up when, in fact, there is nothing to it is simply wrong.

No teacher in her right mind would teach what your scenario suggests in the first place, and if she did she would be breaking the law. So your riling people up with a false impression of what teachers are allowed to do. They are not permitted to preach Atheism in schools.

So your scenario in the OP is depicting a lie. That scenario would be completely illegal.

You're riling people up over something that isn't true.

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Tue 12/18/07 09:54 AM
lol Abra =)

wouldee's photo
Tue 12/18/07 10:08 AM

kojack,, ya might not know it,, but i am a preachers kid, i know the gospel, but i got my issues with the church, but i know whos above, who came to die, and what he came for, and whos the worst one of the bunch




I'll stand with you, bro...

...before I stand with many others!!!!


smokin drinker bigsmile

KalamazooGuy87's photo
Tue 12/18/07 10:10 AM
issues with the church, very common actually. I have my problems with the church i am at, at times. However it goes much deeper than the man made 'church', its the relationship with God in which we must be concerned about. All churchs are different in thier approach if your not liking the one your at , suggest trying another one

Fitnessfanatic's photo
Tue 12/18/07 10:43 AM
Public school teachers are like Joe Friday from Dragnet
They teach
"Just the facts ma'am..."

They only teach facts not faith. It obvious religioso would love to say that school teacher deny God in school. The truth is God has no place in school. Try teaching the solar system and physics. In the Bible there a story that the sun stood still.

Joshua 10:12 to 10:13

...In the presence of Israel, Joshua said:

Sun, stand still over Gibeon, and moon, you too over the Vale of Aijion!

And the sun stood still and the moon halted, until the people had take vengence on thier enemies....

Fitnessfanatic's photo
Tue 12/18/07 10:49 AM
Public school teachers are like Joe Friday from Dragnet
They teach
"Just the facts ma'am..."

They only teach facts not faith. It obvious religioso would love to say that school teacher deny God in school. The truth is God has no place in school. Try teaching the solar system and physics. In the Bible there a story that the sun stood still.

Joshua 10:12 to 10:13

...In the presence of Israel, Joshua said:

Sun, stand still over Gibeon, and moon, you too over the Vale of Aijion!

And the sun stood still and the moon halted, until the people had take vengence on thier enemies....


Bible mistakenly assumes the sun revolves around the earth. That so against the universal fact that the earth go around the sun. Further more even if the bible meant that the earth stop rotating and not the revolution of moon then every person, animal and stone would fly off the world as physic dicates.

kojack's photo
Tue 12/18/07 10:54 AM
If wehave blind faith in God and it is wrong according to what some believe....

Then why is it okay to believe in Santa or the Easter bunny, etc. ?


CraniumDesigns's photo
Tue 12/18/07 11:19 AM
Edited by CraniumDesigns on Tue 12/18/07 11:19 AM

Public school teachers are like Joe Friday from Dragnet
They teach
"Just the facts ma'am..."

They only teach facts not faith. It obvious religioso would love to say that school teacher deny God in school. The truth is God has no place in school. Try teaching the solar system and physics. In the Bible there a story that the sun stood still.

Joshua 10:12 to 10:13

...In the presence of Israel, Joshua said:

Sun, stand still over Gibeon, and moon, you too over the Vale of Aijion!

And the sun stood still and the moon halted, until the people had take vengence on thier enemies....


Bible mistakenly assumes the sun revolves around the earth. That so against the universal fact that the earth go around the sun. Further more even if the bible meant that the earth stop rotating and not the revolution of moon then every person, animal and stone would fly off the world as physic dicates.


i'm sure that god could change the laws of nature for something like this to occur. he's god.

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 12/18/07 01:07 PM
For me, the bottom line in all of this is that Churches are supposed to instill good moral values on their own.

If the church is failing to do this why blame it on the schools?

The United States of America was predominately Christian throughout most of its history, and according to surveys, still is today. I’m not sure about the entire country, but I know that in my little corner of the states you can hardly drive a few miles without seeing a Christian church. Trying to find buildings that represent other religions is a bit more of a challenge.

If the morals of the USA are in decline shouldn’t the religion that failed to instill them take some responsibility for that?

Obviously the religion isn’t very good at instilling morals. It may claim to have a dogma full of good morals, but as a religion it doesn’t seem to be very effective in winning people’s hearts.

To complain that it can’t use the captive audience of public schools to preach morals, is to do nothing other than blatantly admit that people aren’t interested in attending the churches on their own.

Seems to me that if the churches aren’t attracting people then they have issues of their own that need to be addressed. Trying to force the issue through the use of captive audiences in the public school system is pretty pathetic. ohwell

Maestra's photo
Tue 12/18/07 01:14 PM
thank you for your posts Abra - they are well thought out and coherent. I am a teacher and I am so glad to hear this other side given a voice. I have students of all different faiths, and if some of the other, less mainstream faiths were given a voice in school, I bet all ##ll would break loose. Fair play is important - even for Christians.

wouldee's photo
Tue 12/18/07 01:23 PM
Edited by wouldee on Tue 12/18/07 01:25 PM
The church buildings couldn't house more than 20% overflowing in many communities and less than 10% in most.

And they are not full, either.

They are usually 25-35% capacity.

The roles are predominantly over 35 years old and lean towards mostly seniors.

The churches are empty buildings


What it speaks to is a trend away from morality and institutional control.

Anarchy is the predominate religious expression in America today.

Not Christianity.

Faith is being abandoned in droves and self-willed determination is blindly groping in the darkness without leadership.

What precipitates this phenomenon is suspect.


But as critical thinking and intelligent discourse is increasingly absent within Christian Denominations, one can expect to observe imbalance within visible churchianity.



What's the reason for the anarchy that flourishes unabated in America? That is the better question to be addressed.

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 12/18/07 01:28 PM
Fair play is important - even for Christians.


Exactly.

Christians want to make out like this law is singling them out. But that’s nonsense.

This law protects their children from being exposed to other faiths in the public school system too.

It’s an equal opportunity law. It’s fair and just for everyone and doesn’t single out any particular religion.

Claims to the contrary are absurd.

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 12/18/07 01:33 PM

What's the reason for the anarchy that flourishes unabated in America? That is the better question to be addressed.


Just take a survey.

I think you'll find that there is a popular perception that many churches are viewed as being hypocritical.

I’m not saying whether this view has merit, but merely that this is a popular perception of churches.

So if this is indeed the answer to your question perhaps the churches need to consider how to deal with this ‘misperception’. If indeed it is a ‘misperception’.

lulu24's photo
Tue 12/18/07 01:41 PM
They only teach facts not faith. It obvious religioso would love to say that school teacher deny God in school. The truth is God has no place in school. Try teaching the solar system and physics. In the Bible there a story that the sun stood still.


that's not necessarily true. they also teach theories...that may or may NOT be true. there's no concrete proof of a "big bang", for instance, and yet it's taught.

evolution, intelligent design...all theories.

and then you have history...often skewed toward the victor...

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i do believe that we should keep from practicing religion at school, but i have no problem with learning about them...especially if many are presented. properly taught, this helps lead to a bit more tolerance of other cultures.

no photo
Tue 12/18/07 01:41 PM
great post...

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