Topic: Mourning George Floyd
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Tue 06/09/20 05:52 AM
Edited by Unknow on Tue 06/09/20 05:56 AM
Not knowing an individuals underlying conditions would be all the more reason to follow training.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/%3foutputType=amp


This post is like that lambchop song. It'll never end until people just stop singing it. Im all done singing with ya Psx. See ya around the forums i guess

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Tue 06/09/20 05:55 AM
Calling for paramedics makes the police racist.

getting him out of the car make the police racists.

restraining the criminal makes the police racist

forget the trial....just lynch the cops and make everyone happy.

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Tue 06/09/20 06:34 AM

They had him in the police car...

They took him out because he was complaining of sickness.

They called for the paramedics and were waiting for them to arrive.

You don't cuff a man behind his back when he's on the ground having medical issues.

Just because someone has a restraining maneuver on doesn't mean that they are applying every bit of leverage they can.

But if you had ever served a moment in any capacity in a law enforcement nature, you would already know that.

If you ever had to restrain a violent individual, you would also understand that.

Thanks for sharing all that practical advice you learned from the talking heads on CNN.



He was cuffed behind his back the entire time on the ground. There is
nothing in the video that indicates he was resisting or violent.

This is a senseless death. As are all the others that have been brought
up here, including officers who have been killed. I find them all wrong.
I do not find one death more significant than another and I do expect
those responsible to be held accountable.

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Tue 06/09/20 06:43 AM


They had him in the police car...

They took him out because he was complaining of sickness.

They called for the paramedics and were waiting for them to arrive.

You don't cuff a man behind his back when he's on the ground having medical issues.

Just because someone has a restraining maneuver on doesn't mean that they are applying every bit of leverage they can.

But if you had ever served a moment in any capacity in a law enforcement nature, you would already know that.

If you ever had to restrain a violent individual, you would also understand that.

Thanks for sharing all that practical advice you learned from the talking heads on CNN.



He was cuffed behind his back the entire time on the ground. There is
nothing in the video that indicates he was resisting or violent.

This is a senseless death. As are all the others that have been brought
up here, including officers who have been killed. I find them all wrong.
I do not find one death more significant than another and I do expect
those responsible to be held accountable.
Well said Bastet! :thumbsup::sunglasses:

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Tue 06/09/20 08:10 AM
A few post have been deleted the forums are for Civil Discussions.. It is not to attack another for their opinion but to debate why things happen as they do...

Please do not attack others.

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Sat 06/13/20 07:22 AM
For the record, this post was directed to black folk, not white folk. It was not intended to be incessant complaining.

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Sat 06/13/20 07:38 AM
The property destruction and looting during some of the protests over George Floyd’s May 25 death in police custody will cost insurers at least $25 million dollars — and that’s in Minnesota alone.




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Sat 06/13/20 08:02 AM

Calling for paramedics makes the police racist.

getting him out of the car make the police racists.

restraining the criminal makes the police racist

forget the trial....just lynch the cops and make everyone happy.


I do not recall anyone in the thread saying any of that. Straw man.

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Sat 06/13/20 08:06 AM

or maybe it's that I don't have any respiratory illness...or any illegal drugs in my system..

or any heart disease...

Nope, it's all because I'm white...

only white people can spend more than 9 minutes in the prone position without dying...

BREAKING NEWS: The Grim Reaper is Racist....


it is not about JUST being in the position. Come on now. Let us not be silly. Of course, if your airway is not restricted, you can be in prone position. However, if force is being applied to your BACK and NECK, preventing the ability for lungs to expand and contract, that is a different story.



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Sat 06/13/20 08:09 AM


So he also put three Policemen on top of him too and don't forget the knee on the guys throat also? Don't talk shite!! Do you really know how stupid and absurd that sounds? Get real and stay off the Vodka, as your head is pickled!

Have you read the criminal complaint against Chauvin. CNN 8 notable things criminal complaint is good place to start. Also the Hennepin Co Autopsy. They both state that underlying health conditions and drug use were factors in Floyds death. He was having issues prior to be brought to the ground and resisted arrest. The question is did anything the officers do really lead to his death? Or would have he died no matter what those cops did? Any which way his drug use does have an effect on this case, and had he not resisted he most likely would not of been in arrested in the first place, or had he been arrested and not resisted then he would have never been put to the ground, however there is still a possibility he would of died. Restraining him on the ground may have been the best thing those cops could do. There is nothing that will ever measure the amount of pressure the officers were putting on him. There is nothing saying that these officers could have done ANYTHING to keep Floyd alive.


You did not watch the video. He was complaining of being claustrophobic. THEY HAD HIM IN THE CAR. But then, they yanked him OUT the car and proceeded to constrict his airway for eight minutes, all while telling him to 'get in the car'. It made no sense. There was no excuse. But fors are pointless here because but for them restricting his breathing for that long, his mere 'underlying' conditions would most likely have not caused his death, being that they had not and were not when he was approached.


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Sat 06/13/20 08:13 AM


At PSX......Wrong! Those Police used a prone position restraint that is known to KILL people. They are trained to reposition. He told them he couldnt breathe. They continued to ignore him and their training. Murderer's.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Anyone could have a fake bill and not know. It's happened to me. Maybe he had a past so what he deserved the chance to change.


nope...the cop is guilty so the career criminal must also be...


No. There is no tape or evidence of the 'career' criminal committing any crime. Being claustrophobic is not a crime. Passing A 'counterfeit' bill is not even a crime because bills pass hands all the time. They could discern IF The bill is fake and inquire where that person obtained it. IF there is substantial EVIDENCE of the person knowingly passing false bills, THEN a crime can be charged. The law does not expect most people to know what a few counterfeit bills look like when they get them from a legitimate source.


And there is still no capital death worthy offense for counterfeit bills or 'underlying conditions'.

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Sat 06/13/20 08:19 AM

He killed himself through his poor judgement and actions. Every person has the right to end their own life.

Since there was also no bruising on his throat, according to his autopsy report, his airway wasn't obstructed. Blaming the police for his death is nothing more than trying to calm the crowd. Rushing to judgement on the whole affair is an exercise in bigotry against the police created by the media and racism created by public opinion.


people suffocated by pillows dont show neck bruising either. That is really not proof. Seeing is believing.

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Sat 06/13/20 08:20 AM
Peter Killen was getting a bad feeling watching the local news on Friday night.

On his TV at home, he saw a familiar gas station. A fire was visible in the distance. It seemed to be near the warehouse where Killen, the owner of four bars in Minneapolis and the surrounding area, leased space for spare equipment.

Killen stored fryers there, wine coolers, patio bar stools, catering equipment and sentimental pictures too. The value of the items stored there was around $300,000 to $350,000. And by later that night, it was all gone.


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Sat 06/13/20 08:20 AM


They're gonna get a trial. Mr. FLOYD WON'T


They've already been judged by the Press...any result other than that will result in urban chaos...thus, even if innocent, they will be sacrificed to keep the rabble culled.

Every point I've raised in prior posts, along with his high blood pressure, sickle-cell and heart disease, were contributing factors to this man's death.

NONE of them will be considered to keep the cities from burning AGAIN.


Well, IF people 'bring' these things upon themselves, so be it. Karma.

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Sat 06/13/20 08:21 AM


Im not taking justice into my own hands. Someone has to yell wrong doing for an arrest to be made.


you, and many others, are sitting on the chests of those officers in the same measure that they did to the criminal. you just aren't doing in physically.

it's still the same thing.




Well, maybe they 'chose' to end their careers and end up in jail, by choosing to sit on the back and neck of this man for so long, even after he stopped moving.

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Sat 06/13/20 08:24 AM
Indy riot damage totals likely in millions

INDIANAPOLIS — For the last week, Sherry Sewiert, president of Downtown Indy Inc. (DII), has tried to get a handle on the cost two nights of rioting did to businesses, buildings and residences in the core of Indianapolis.

When she wouldn’t hazard a prediction on even a low-ball figure, I asked, “Is it well into the seven figures?”

“That’s a fair guess,” Seiwert said.

Surveys conducted by DII and FOX59 News indicate building losses from at least $10,000 at Dick’s Bodacious Barbeque at the corner of Pennsylvania and Market Streets where IMPD fired tear gas to disperse a crowd on the night of May 30th to $500,000 at the Block Building at 110 West Market Street, and Seiwert said her survey of damages likely won’t be complete for another week.

DII listed at least 112 businesses and buildings impacted by the rioting, fires and looting that followed often peaceful protests that began on Monument Circle against racial inequality and police action shootings.

Mayor Joe Hogsett said he is awaiting DII’s report before he can speculate on the total financial loss to downtown Indianapolis.

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Sat 06/13/20 10:00 AM

Indy riot damage totals likely in millions

INDIANAPOLIS — For the last week, Sherry Sewiert, president of Downtown Indy Inc. (DII), has tried to get a handle on the cost two nights of rioting did to businesses, buildings and residences in the core of Indianapolis.

When she wouldn’t hazard a prediction on even a low-ball figure, I asked, “Is it well into the seven figures?”

“That’s a fair guess,” Seiwert said.

Surveys conducted by DII and FOX59 News indicate building losses from at least $10,000 at Dick’s Bodacious Barbeque at the corner of Pennsylvania and Market Streets where IMPD fired tear gas to disperse a crowd on the night of May 30th to $500,000 at the Block Building at 110 West Market Street, and Seiwert said her survey of damages likely won’t be complete for another week.

DII listed at least 112 businesses and buildings impacted by the rioting, fires and looting that followed often peaceful protests that began on Monument Circle against racial inequality and police action shootings.

Mayor Joe Hogsett said he is awaiting DII’s report before he can speculate on the total financial loss to downtown Indianapolis.


I hope they catch the individuals responsible and prosecute them so the owners can have justice. I also hope the owners were holding an insurance that will reimburse their losses financially.


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Sat 06/13/20 07:26 PM



At PSX......Wrong! Those Police used a prone position restraint that is known to KILL people. They are trained to reposition. He told them he couldnt breathe. They continued to ignore him and their training. Murderer's.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Anyone could have a fake bill and not know. It's happened to me. Maybe he had a past so what he deserved the chance to change.


nope...the cop is guilty so the career criminal must also be...


No. There is no tape or evidence of the 'career' criminal committing any crime. Being claustrophobic is not a crime. Passing A 'counterfeit' bill is not even a crime because bills pass hands all the time. They could discern IF The bill is fake and inquire where that person obtained it. IF there is substantial EVIDENCE of the person knowingly passing false bills, THEN a crime can be charged. The law does not expect most people to know what a few counterfeit bills look like when they get them from a legitimate source.


And there is still no capital death worthy offense for counterfeit bills or 'underlying conditions'.

Any normal person they would have been questioned and sent on their way, however Floyd pushed the officer or stumbled into him as he got out of the car. That is assaulting an officer. Just because they hand cuff or detain someone doesn't always mean they are under arrest. Driving under the influence is also a crime, however this call was on a counterfit bill and it was unknown of Floyds drug use when they showed up, these officers were unsure of Floyds medical condition besides what he states thru the process. The two rookies made the initial contact and its not clear what was relayed to the other officers. Floyd falls on the way to the car. Its not clear at this time if this was a way to resist arrest or part of his medical (drug) condition, but he did fight the officers. Its been stated he said he was clostrphobic and having trouble breathing. However I'm not certain how much of this has been proven. There should also be body cam footage and possibly footage from the cop car but that has yet to be seen by the public. When they put Floyd in that position on the ground I assumed he tried to spit on an officer because that is the most common reason for doing so. Floyd relieved himself either voluntarily or involuntarily. Cops don't like when people do that or puke in their car and that could be a factor too. While on the ground Floyd never once said "UNCLE", and anyone with siblings would know to do so. The officers kept him down to wait for the paramedics, there is no proof of the amount of pressure they applied.

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Sat 06/13/20 09:48 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/13/20 10:00 PM




At PSX......Wrong! Those Police used a prone position restraint that is known to KILL people. They are trained to reposition. He told them he couldnt breathe. They continued to ignore him and their training. Murderer's.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Anyone could have a fake bill and not know. It's happened to me. Maybe he had a past so what he deserved the chance to change.


nope...the cop is guilty so the career criminal must also be...


No. There is no tape or evidence of the 'career' criminal committing any crime. Being claustrophobic is not a crime. Passing A 'counterfeit' bill is not even a crime because bills pass hands all the time. They could discern IF The bill is fake and inquire where that person obtained it. IF there is substantial EVIDENCE of the person knowingly passing false bills, THEN a crime can be charged. The law does not expect most people to know what a few counterfeit bills look like when they get them from a legitimate source.


And there is still no capital death worthy offense for counterfeit bills or 'underlying conditions'.

Any normal person they would have been questioned and sent on their way, however Floyd pushed the officer or stumbled into him as he got out of the car. That is assaulting an officer. Just because they hand cuff or detain someone doesn't always mean they are under arrest. Driving under the influence is also a crime, however this call was on a counterfit bill and it was unknown of Floyds drug use when they showed up, these officers were unsure of Floyds medical condition besides what he states thru the process. The two rookies made the initial contact and its not clear what was relayed to the other officers. Floyd falls on the way to the car. Its not clear at this time if this was a way to resist arrest or part of his medical (drug) condition, but he did fight the officers. Its been stated he said he was clostrphobic and having trouble breathing. However I'm not certain how much of this has been proven. There should also be body cam footage and possibly footage from the cop car but that has yet to be seen by the public. When they put Floyd in that position on the ground I assumed he tried to spit on an officer because that is the most common reason for doing so. Floyd relieved himself either voluntarily or involuntarily. Cops don't like when people do that or puke in their car and that could be a factor too. While on the ground Floyd never once said "UNCLE", and anyone with siblings would know to do so. The officers kept him down to wait for the paramedics, there is no proof of the amount of pressure they applied.



There was no justifying factors for pulling this man THROUGH the police cruiser to throw him on his stomach and apply pressure to the back and neck for EIGHT minutes. None.
I am sure some will watch it and continue thinking of all the reasons why this officer and his posse did not behave like cowardly female dogs and privileged penises with God complexes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4i88E-knyA

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Sat 06/13/20 11:48 PM
Protesters burn down Wendy's in Atlanta where black man was slain by police

(Reuters) - Protesters shut down a major highway in Atlanta on Saturday and set fire to a Wendy's restaurant where a black man was shot by police as he tried to escape arrest, an incident caught on video and sure to fuel more nationwide demonstrations.

The unrest broke out after dark in Atlanta, where earlier in the day Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms said she had accepted the prompt resignation of police chief Erika Shields over the death on Friday night of 27-year-old Rayshard Brooks at the Wendy's.

The police department has terminated the officer who allegedly shot and killed Brooks, police spokesman Carlos Campos confirmed late on Saturday. Another officer involved in the incident was put on administrative leave.

Authorities have not yet released the names of the two officers, both of whom were white.

Images on local television showed the restaurant in flames for more than 45 minutes before fire crews arrived to extinguish the blaze, protected by a line of police officers. By that time the building was reduced to charred rubble next to a gas station.

Other demonstrators marched onto Interstate-75, stopping traffic, before police used a line of squad cars to hold them back.

"I do not believe that this was a justified use of deadly force and have called for the immediate termination of the officer," Bottoms said at an afternoon news conference.

Brooks was the father of a young daughter who was celebrating her birthday on Saturday, his lawyers said. His death from a police bullet came after more than two weeks of demonstrations in major cities across the United States in the name of George Floyd, a 46-year-old black man who died on May 25 under the knee of a Minneapolis police officer.

Street protests broke out in Atlanta on Saturday near the scene of the shooting, with more than 100 people calling for the officers to be charged criminally in the case.

Police were called to the Wendy's over reports that Brooks had fallen asleep in the drive-thru line. Officers attempted to take him into custody after he failed a field sobriety test, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Video shot by a bystander captures Brooks struggling with two officers on the ground outside the Wendy's before breaking free and running across the parking lot with what appears to be a police TASER in his hand.

A second videotape from the restaurant's cameras shows Brooks turning as he runs and possibly aiming the TASER at the pursuing officers before one of them fires his gun and Brooks falls to the ground.

Brooks ran the length of about six cars when he turned back toward an officer and pointed what he had in his hand at the policeman, said Vic Reynolds, director of the GBI at a separate press conference.

"At that point, the Atlanta officer reaches down and retrieves his weapon from his holster, discharges it, strikes Mr. Brooks there on the parking lot and he goes down," Reynolds said.

Lawyers representing the family of Brooks told reporters that Atlanta police had no right to use deadly force even if he had fired the TASER, a non-lethal weapon, in their direction.

"You can't shoot somebody unless they are pointing a gun at you," attorney Chris Stewart said.

Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard, Jr., said in an emailed statement that his office "has already launched an intense, independent investigation of the incident" while it awaits the findings of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

Bottoms said Shields, a white woman appointed chief in December 2016, would be replaced by deputy chief Rodney Bryant, a black man who will serve as interim chief.