Topic: The Absolute Truth about Muhammad in the Bible
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Sun 04/04/21 05:25 AM
i tried reading the koran to get a gist of it. Got about half way through. You might want to give that a try explains a lot about Mohamed.

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Tue 04/06/21 04:58 AM
Edited by tdion on Tue 04/06/21 05:07 AM
Muhammed has nothing to do with the bible. The man coundn't even read or write. The assumption was made that most of the text was written by his wife. The bible is about the saints, God, Christ, disciples and the apostles. All Israelites. If you read the Koran it will be clear that the book refers to the chosen ones, which are Israelites and not Ismaelites.

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Mon 04/12/21 01:54 PM

Muhammed has nothing to do with the bible. The man coundn't even read or write. The assumption was made that most of the text was written by his wife. The bible is about the saints, God, Christ, disciples and the apostles. All Israelites. If you read the Koran it will be clear that the book refers to the chosen ones, which are Israelites and not Ismaelites.

I doubt that he couldn't read or write. That probaganda was probably made by him to look miraculous for those who followed him later. I believe that he didn't only read and write, but also had a decent level of mathimatical knowledge that allowed him to manage the wealth of his first wife Khadeejah. He was able to come up a religion that billions followed.

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Tue 04/13/21 04:52 AM
Edited by tdion on Tue 04/13/21 04:53 AM


Muhammed has nothing to do with the bible. The man coundn't even read or write. The assumption was made that most of the text was written by his wife. The bible is about the saints, God, Christ, disciples and the apostles. All Israelites. If you read the Koran it will be clear that the book refers to the chosen ones, which are Israelites and not Ismaelites.

I doubt that he couldn't read or write. That probaganda was probably made by him to look miraculous for those who followed him later. I believe that he didn't only read and write, but also had a decent level of mathimatical knowledge that allowed him to manage the wealth of his first wife Khadeejah. He was able to come up a religion that billions followed.



All religions are false, even if billions follow that religion. There is no proof wether Muhammad wrote the Koran, but if he did then you can ask yourself why the Koran speaks about Jesus and even even say that he, Jesus a Jew is the way, and not Muhammad an Ismaelite.

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Tue 04/13/21 01:29 PM



Muhammed has nothing to do with the bible. The man coundn't even read or write. The assumption was made that most of the text was written by his wife. The bible is about the saints, God, Christ, disciples and the apostles. All Israelites. If you read the Koran it will be clear that the book refers to the chosen ones, which are Israelites and not Ismaelites.

I doubt that he couldn't read or write. That probaganda was probably made by him to look miraculous for those who followed him later. I believe that he didn't only read and write, but also had a decent level of mathimatical knowledge that allowed him to manage the wealth of his first wife Khadeejah. He was able to come up a religion that billions followed.



All religions are false, even if billions follow that religion. There is no proof wether Muhammad wrote the Koran, but if he did then you can ask yourself why the Koran speaks about Jesus and even even say that he, Jesus a Jew is the way, and not Muhammad an Ismaelite.

of course, they are all (homemade). I just wanted to stress the fact that someone who invented such a religion is unlikely to be illiterate. It's not whether he wrote it himself or not. But it is almost certain that he did that with the cooperation of Bahira the Nestorian monk who provided Mohammad with a large slice of the biblical tales that are mentioned in the quraan.

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Tue 04/13/21 04:32 PM
Edited by tdion on Tue 04/13/21 04:49 PM




Muhammed has nothing to do with the bible. The man coundn't even read or write. The assumption was made that most of the text was written by his wife. The bible is about the saints, God, Christ, disciples and the apostles. All Israelites. If you read the Koran it will be clear that the book refers to the chosen ones, which are Israelites and not Ismaelites.

I doubt that he couldn't read or write. That probaganda was probably made by him to look miraculous for those who followed him later. I believe that he didn't only read and write, but also had a decent level of mathimatical knowledge that allowed him to manage the wealth of his first wife Khadeejah. He was able to come up a religion that billions followed.



All religions are false, even if billions follow that religion. There is no proof wether Muhammad wrote the Koran, but if he did then you can ask yourself why the Koran speaks about Jesus and even even say that he, Jesus a Jew is the way, and not Muhammad an Ismaelite.

of course, they are all (homemade). I just wanted to stress the fact that someone who invented such a religion is unlikely to be illiterate. It's not whether he wrote it himself or not. But it is almost certain that he did that with the cooperation of Bahira the Nestorian monk who provided Mohammad with a large slice of the biblical tales that are mentioned in the quraan.


The Holy Bible is a genuine book of TRUTH and not of Tales. The book is Holy because it was written to a certain group of people and surely not to the Ismaelites. The Ismaelites are a shemitic people and descent from Abraham, so I can understand their needs to have a sweet piece of the pie. It did however happened, that they were not chosen, and Muhammad felt the Urgency to give his people something that looked like the Bible. So, Muhammad came 600 years after Christ, created his own religion (ISlam) primarily a copy of the ISraelite textbook and gave his doctrine to his people, so they too had their God YASSHARALA (God of the Israelites) to worship.


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Wed 04/14/21 10:56 AM






Muhammed has nothing to do with the bible. The man coundn't even read or write. The assumption was made that most of the text was written by his wife. The bible is about the saints, God, Christ, disciples and the apostles. All Israelites. If you read the Koran it will be clear that the book refers to the chosen ones, which are Israelites and not Ismaelites.

I doubt that he couldn't read or write. That probaganda was probably made by him to look miraculous for those who followed him later. I believe that he didn't only read and write, but also had a decent level of mathimatical knowledge that allowed him to manage the wealth of his first wife Khadeejah. He was able to come up a religion that billions followed.



All religions are false, even if billions follow that religion. There is no proof wether Muhammad wrote the Koran, but if he did then you can ask yourself why the Koran speaks about Jesus and even even say that he, Jesus a Jew is the way, and not Muhammad an Ismaelite.

of course, they are all (homemade). I just wanted to stress the fact that someone who invented such a religion is unlikely to be illiterate. It's not whether he wrote it himself or not. But it is almost certain that he did that with the cooperation of Bahira the Nestorian monk who provided Mohammad with a large slice of the biblical tales that are mentioned in the quraan.


The Holy Bible is a genuine book of TRUTH and not of Tales. The book is Holy because it was written to a certain group of people and surely not to the Ismaelites. The Ismaelites are a shemitic people and descent from Abraham, so I can understand their needs to have a sweet piece of the pie. It did however happened, that they were not chosen, and Muhammad felt the Urgency to give his people something that looked like the Bible. So, Muhammad came 600 years after Christ, created his own religion (ISlam) primarily a copy of the ISraelite textbook and gave his doctrine to his people, so they too had their God YASSHARALA (God of the Israelites) to worship.



Again, I define Holy as being SET APART from the ways of worldy men. Isn't the Bible Holy because it instructs mankind to rise up from base instincts and lead virtuous and exemplary lives? The Bible is written for all people just as any history book is written for every student.

Are the Ishmaelites exluded from the covenant of God? Both Ishmael and Isaac are descendants of Abraham whom, in Genesis 17:4, God made a covenant promising a MULTIUDE OF NATIONS. Ishmael was banished on account of Isaac (SIBBLING RIVALRY).

Banishment did not preclude participation in the covenant since Ishmael could not undo his ancestry. In Genesis 17:21 God extends his covenant with Abraham to include a covenant with Isaac... extends, not replaces. This extention is duplicated again in the Jacob and Esau sibbling rivalry.

Indeed, the Bible paints a bleak relationship between the ancestors of Ishmael and Isaac but it also paints a bleak picture betwwen the Kingdom of Judah and the Kingdom of Israel, Joseph and his 11 brothers, Moabites, Ammonites, Midianites, etc.

Descendants of Ishmael do not, by default, fall into Islam; each individual has a personal decision to make: follow God or follow allah? Likewise, each Israeli is not automatically subjugate to ANY covenant without first accepting the extension from God. "Choose you this day whom you will serve..." (Joshua 24:15).



Holy means God set them apart from the other 17 nations with whom he hath NO covenant. He showeth his words only to jacob [147: 19-20]. Would help if you were mentioning the text where your wisdom comes from. I am only seeying your opinion which is not biblical. He did not dealt so with any nations, meaning that the Ismaelites were not included. Nor was Izaak and only Jacob and his descendants.

Due to the subsahara slave trade the Israelites learned about Islam and some of them still believe it to be their religion, while it is a slave religion developed especially for the Arabic people.

If you believe differently then please give the biblical text, not your thoughts, where it says that the Ismaelites were chosen by God.

Isaiah[44:1] Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant and Israel, whom I HAVE CHOSEN.
Is God lying? Proof the opposite!







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Thu 04/15/21 01:22 AM

Muhammed has nothing to do with the bible..

The original manuscripts of the New Testament books are not known to have survived. The autographs are believed to have been lost or destroyed a long time ago. ... Generally speaking, these copies were made centuries after the originals from other copies rather than from the autograph.
An article asked; Why Don’t We Possess Any of the Original Manuscripts of the Books of the Bible?
The answer was;
1.The materials used to copy the texts were perishable.
2.Thousands of years have gone by since the most recent biblical book was written. Again, we should not expect them to survive over such a long period of time.
3.There was also the practice of the Hebrew scribes destroying old copies to keep them from being corrupted by unbelievers. This would cause the originals to perish.
4.The nation Israel, with all of the upheavals they faced, made it difficult to protect the ancient manuscripts from destruction. We also have one example of a king of Judah destroying the original writing of Jeremiah.
2nd article; A QUICK COMPARISON OF BIBLE VERSIONS,
Wrote;
In 1604, England's King James I authorized a new translation of the Bible aimed at settling some thorny religious differences in his kingdom—and solidifying his own power. But in seeking to prove his own supremacy, King James ended up democratizing the Bible instead.
King James Version is still the most accurate bible translation and the best on the planet!
The problem with the NIV is that is not a great translation. It uses paraphrase a lot. Sometimes a literal translation is lost on the readers.
It is often said that all Bible versions are basically the same, that their differences are just minor wording changes.
Read the following comparison between the King James Version and the best-selling modern Bible translation, the New International Version, and then decide for yourself whether or not this is true.
This is only a very small sampling of the many changes between these versions. For a much more complete discussion of how the New International Version attacks the deity of Christ, and cuts away at the foundations of the Christian church, read "If the Foundations Be Destroyed" by Chick Salliby

My note is;
It easy to understand why the Prophet Mohammad was not in the Bible versions


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Thu 04/15/21 02:12 AM


Muhammed has nothing to do with the bible. The man coundn't even read or write. The assumption was made that most of the text was written by his wife. Ismaelites.

I doubt that he couldn't read or write. That probaganda was probably made by him to look miraculous for those who followed him later. I believe that he didn't only read and write, but also had a decent level of mathimatical knowledge that allowed him to manage the wealth of his first wife Khadeejah. He was able to come up a religion that billions followed.


Yes, Muhammad could read and write
The Quran says; It is He who has sent among the unlettered a Messenger - Muhammad - from themselves reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom - although they were before in clear error –
Unlettered means; They were writing, but there was no book with them from God, nor a messenger sent to them, so God attributed them to the illiterate

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Thu 04/15/21 02:21 AM
This film says there are verses in the Old Testament and New Testament referring clearly to Prophet Muhammad and that he is the last of Allah's Prophets.
Is it true?

not true at all...

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Thu 04/15/21 02:38 AM
I have not yet seen any proof and only opinions of muhammud being in the holy bible.
Please show chapter and versus. Don't criticize the bible. Show proof!

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Thu 04/15/21 11:28 PM

I have not yet seen any proof and only opinions of muhammud being in the holy bible.
Please show chapter and versus. Don't criticize the bible. Show proof!


The problem is the Bible had been changed many times. Please read:
Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why is the result of years of reading the texts in their original languages. Ehrman says the modern Bible was shaped by mistakes and intentional alterations that were made by early scribes who copied the texts.
Turns Out The Original Bible Is Drastically Different From The Version You Grew Up With, by Jacob Shelton

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Fri 04/16/21 07:17 AM



The problem is the Bible had been changed many times. Please read:
Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why is the result of years of reading the texts in their original languages. Ehrman says the modern Bible was shaped by mistakes and intentional alterations that were made by early scribes who copied the texts.
Turns Out The Original Bible Is Drastically Different From The Version You Grew Up With, by Jacob Shelton



Agreed, the Bible has been altered, more or less, over time but are there any reasons to believe Mohammad was in the Bible or Mohammad was purposely remomved from the Bible???

Christians belive the Bible was written AND COMPILED by inspired minds. Are there any known grotesque altercations, or plots, in violation of Revelations 22:18-19???

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

-Revelations 22:18-19



I said many times that Muhammad is NOT in the bible. He came on the scene 600 years after Christ, and is NOT the Messiah. The Koran clearly mentions this.

I don't deal with Christianity because it's not from God and man made. God NEVER dealt with religion and the bible neither. My Goal is to bring the TRUTH and help those who want to receive it.

Right, the last book of the bible as you mentioned, warns us not to add or remove from the bible. The people who mainly tampered with it, were Christians.





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Fri 04/16/21 11:11 PM
Edited by LUNG1954 on Fri 04/16/21 11:43 PM




The problem is the Bible had been changed many times. Please read:
Turns Out The Original Bible Is Drastically Different From The Version You Grew Up With, by Jacob Shelton





I said many times that Muhammad is NOT in the bible. He came on the scene 600 years after Christ, and is NOT the Messiah. The Koran clearly mentions this.

I don't deal with Christianity because it's not from God and man made. God NEVER dealt with religion and the bible neither. My Goal is to bring the TRUTH and help those who want to receive it.

Right, the last book of the bible as you mentioned, warns us not to add or remove from the bible. The people who mainly tampered with it, were Christians.


Please read:
Don Stewart :: Did Jesus Make Predictions That Have Come True?
Yes. Jesus not only fulfilled prophecy in His own life, He Himself predicted events that were to come to pass some time in the future. One of the ministries of Jesus was that of a prophet. As has been true with prophecies fulfilled in His own life, His prophetic words have been literally and marvelously fulfilled.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1349.cfm

The Quran say; [To-day this mercy is for] those who follow the ummi Prophet (Muhammad), whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel with them.

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Sat 04/17/21 06:25 AM





The problem is the Bible had been changed many times. Please read:
Turns Out The Original Bible Is Drastically Different From The Version You Grew Up With, by Jacob Shelton





I said many times that Muhammad is NOT in the bible. He came on the scene 600 years after Christ, and is NOT the Messiah. The Koran clearly mentions this.

I don't deal with Christianity because it's not from God and man made. God NEVER dealt with religion and the bible neither. My Goal is to bring the TRUTH and help those who want to receive it.

Right, the last book of the bible as you mentioned, warns us not to add or remove from the bible. The people who mainly tampered with it, were Christians.


Please read:
Don Stewart :: Did Jesus Make Predictions That Have Come True?
Yes. Jesus not only fulfilled prophecy in His own life, He Himself predicted events that were to come to pass some time in the future. One of the ministries of Jesus was that of a prophet. As has been true with prophecies fulfilled in His own life, His prophetic words have been literally and marvelously fulfilled.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1349.cfm

The Quran say; [To-day this mercy is for] those who follow the ummi Prophet (Muhammad), whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel with them.


So, what is your point??

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Sun 05/02/21 07:30 PM
Edited by Aldtrao on Sun 05/02/21 07:32 PM
I just wish it was possible to hear people’s voices in a conversation like this. Reading the text... I don’t why it sounds in my imagination like everyone is upset. I hope not. For “though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity [agape], I am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cimbal.” 1 Corinthians 13:1

However far my two cents may go around here, I’d just like to say, with love, to those of you who have been told that the Bible has been many times altered from the original manuscripts: that’s only true if you’ve been reading the corrupt New Age bible versions based off of the heathen Wescott and Hort critical text. Stick with the King James. It’s safe and, dare I say, miraculously accurate when checked against the scriptures found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. I really recommend to people that they dig into the history of the how the KJV was made, it might put you in awe.

But that aside, I think that all of the questions about whether the children of Ishmael have an inheritance as God’s chosen people is now moot on this side of the cross. God chooses for salvation all whom He foreknows will choose Him, whether they be Jew or gentile. Prophecy is a gift of the Holy Spirit given to the church; therefore, any Holy Spirit-filled believer, Jew or gentile may prophesy, speaking as the Spirit moves him or her. Muhammed however, from what I understand, never became a disciple of Christ, and therefore had not the Holy Spirit in him; and therefore, if he did give a prophecy, his prophecy came not from God but from the enemy.

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Mon 05/03/21 10:04 AM

This film says there are verses in the Old Testament and New Testament referring clearly to Prophet Muhammad and that he is the last of Allah's Prophets.
Is it true?


I say it's not true. You can make an attempt to proof otherwise, but please name the chapter and versus. Muhammad came 600 years later, so that already is proof that he was not a prophet. He NEVER wrote a prophecy in the Koran, and not Muhammad but Christ is the way and the light and salvation will come through him ONLY.

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Mon 05/03/21 10:13 AM

I just wish it was possible to hear people’s voices in a conversation like this. Reading the text... I don’t why it sounds in my imagination like everyone is upset. I hope not. For “though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity [agape], I am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cimbal.” 1 Corinthians 13:1

However far my two cents may go around here, I’d just like to say, with love, to those of you who have been told that the Bible has been many times altered from the original manuscripts: that’s only true if you’ve been reading the corrupt New Age bible versions based off of the heathen Wescott and Hort critical text. Stick with the King James. It’s safe and, dare I say, miraculously accurate when checked against the scriptures found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. I really recommend to people that they dig into the history of the how the KJV was made, it might put you in awe.

But that aside, I think that all of the questions about whether the children of Ishmael have an inheritance as God’s chosen people is now moot on this side of the cross. God chooses for salvation all whom He foreknows will choose Him, whether they be Jew or gentile. Prophecy is a gift of the Holy Spirit given to the church; therefore, any Holy Spirit-filled believer, Jew or gentile may prophesy, speaking as the Spirit moves him or her. Muhammed however, from what I understand, never became a disciple of Christ, and therefore had not the Holy Spirit in him; and therefore, if he did give a prophecy, his prophecy came not from God but from the enemy.

The children of Ishmael were not of the chosen seed. The children of Jacob are..
Isaiah[44:1] Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant, and Israel whom I have Chosen.
Jacobs name was changed to Israel.

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Mon 05/03/21 12:49 PM
Edited by Aldtrao on Mon 05/03/21 12:49 PM
I understand. But, you’re referring to the fact that the children of Israel were exclusively God’s chosen witness people up until the cross. When Christ created the church (of both Jew and gentile) He made it to be His witness people. Israel is not cast away, and still has a part to play in His glory, and they still have promises to inherit but, the witness of God has moved to the true church.

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Tue 05/04/21 04:52 AM
Edited by tdion on Tue 05/04/21 05:03 AM



I just wish it was possible to hear people’s voices in a conversation like this. Reading the text... I don’t why it sounds in my imagination like everyone is upset. I hope not. For “though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity [agape], I am become as sounding brass or a tinkling cimbal.” 1 Corinthians 13:1

However far my two cents may go around here, I’d just like to say, with love, to those of you who have been told that the Bible has been many times altered from the original manuscripts: that’s only true if you’ve been reading the corrupt New Age bible versions based off of the heathen Wescott and Hort critical text. Stick with the King James. It’s safe and, dare I say, miraculously accurate when checked against the scriptures found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. I really recommend to people that they dig into the history of the how the KJV was made, it might put you in awe.

But that aside, I think that all of the questions about whether the children of Ishmael have an inheritance as God’s chosen people is now moot on this side of the cross. God chooses for salvation all whom He foreknows will choose Him, whether they be Jew or gentile. Prophecy is a gift of the Holy Spirit given to the church; therefore, any Holy Spirit-filled believer, Jew or gentile may prophesy, speaking as the Spirit moves him or her. Muhammed however, from what I understand, never became a disciple of Christ, and therefore had not the Holy Spirit in him; and therefore, if he did give a prophecy, his prophecy came not from God but from the enemy.

The children of Ishmael were not of the chosen seed. The children of Jacob are..
Isaiah[44:1] Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant, and Israel whom I have Chosen.
Jacobs name was changed to Israel.


Chosen for what?


To be God's people and for the future or the last days.
to put is simple: The earth was made for them.