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JESUS CHRIST--WHO IS HE?
From Quran related to Jesus
When the Prophet Muhammad read to the people of Quraysh the saying of God: “ Certainly you 'disbelievers' and whatever you worship instead of God will be the fuel of Hell. You are ˹all˺ bound to enter it.” They became very angry, so one of them said: O Muhammad, is it special for us and for our gods, or for all nations? The Prophet said: It is for you and for your gods and for all nations. The man said: Are you not claiming that Jesus is a prophet and praise him and his mother well? I learned that the Christians worship them, and people worship Uzayr and the angels. If these people were in Hell, then we and our gods are willing to be with them. So the people of Quraish rejoiced and laughed and the Prophet was silent, then these verses were revealed: 57. And when the son of Mary is quoted [by idolaters] as an example [that if objects of worship besides God will go to Hell, He will go there as well], your people cried out derisively [at the example]. 58. And said: “Are your gods better or is he [better]? [If Jesus who is better than our objects of worship is in Hell, ending up in Hell is neither important to us nor to our objects of worship.] They quoted not the above example except for argument but they are a quarrelsome people. 59. He [Jesus] was not more than a servant. We granted Our Favor to him and We made him an example for the Children of Israel. 60. And if it were Our Will, We would have made angels to replace you on the earth. The meaning: God said to Muhammad that the people of Quraysh gave you this example, nothing but an argument, not to distinguish truth from falsehood. God said that son of Mary is not but a servant of God, upon whom We have been blessed with prophethood, supported by the Holy Spirit, performing wonderful miracles on his hands, and so on. And We made him a sign for them and an indication by which they know the ability of God to do what He desires, where He created him without a father. Then God said to the disbelievers, that He is rich, not need their worship, and if He willed He make angels in place of them on the earth to sanctify Him, and they do not disobey Him. |
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QUOTE: QUOTE: QUOTE: The problem is the Bible had been changed many times. Please read: Turns Out The Original Bible Is Drastically Different From The Version You Grew Up With, by Jacob Shelton I said many times that Muhammad is NOT in the bible. He came on the scene 600 years after Christ, and is NOT the Messiah. The Koran clearly mentions this. I don't deal with Christianity because it's not from God and man made. God NEVER dealt with religion and the bible neither. My Goal is to bring the TRUTH and help those who want to receive it. Right, the last book of the bible as you mentioned, warns us not to add or remove from the bible. The people who mainly tampered with it, were Christians. Please read: Don Stewart :: Did Jesus Make Predictions That Have Come True? Yes. Jesus not only fulfilled prophecy in His own life, He Himself predicted events that were to come to pass some time in the future. One of the ministries of Jesus was that of a prophet. As has been true with prophecies fulfilled in His own life, His prophetic words have been literally and marvelously fulfilled. https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_1349.cfm The Quran say; [To-day this mercy is for] those who follow the ummi Prophet (Muhammad), whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel with them.
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QUOTE: I have not yet seen any proof and only opinions of muhammud being in the holy bible. Please show chapter and versus. Don't criticize the bible. Show proof! The problem is the Bible had been changed many times. Please read: Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why is the result of years of reading the texts in their original languages. Ehrman says the modern Bible was shaped by mistakes and intentional alterations that were made by early scribes who copied the texts. Turns Out The Original Bible Is Drastically Different From The Version You Grew Up With, by Jacob Shelton |
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QUOTE: QUOTE: Muhammed has nothing to do with the bible. The man coundn't even read or write. The assumption was made that most of the text was written by his wife. Ismaelites. I doubt that he couldn't read or write. That probaganda was probably made by him to look miraculous for those who followed him later. I believe that he didn't only read and write, but also had a decent level of mathimatical knowledge that allowed him to manage the wealth of his first wife Khadeejah. He was able to come up a religion that billions followed. Yes, Muhammad could read and write The Quran says; It is He who has sent among the unlettered a Messenger - Muhammad - from themselves reciting to them His verses and purifying them and teaching them the Book and wisdom - although they were before in clear error – Unlettered means; They were writing, but there was no book with them from God, nor a messenger sent to them, so God attributed them to the illiterate |
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QUOTE: Muhammed has nothing to do with the bible.. The original manuscripts of the New Testament books are not known to have survived. The autographs are believed to have been lost or destroyed a long time ago. ... Generally speaking, these copies were made centuries after the originals from other copies rather than from the autograph. An article asked; Why Don’t We Possess Any of the Original Manuscripts of the Books of the Bible? The answer was; 1.The materials used to copy the texts were perishable. 2.Thousands of years have gone by since the most recent biblical book was written. Again, we should not expect them to survive over such a long period of time. 3.There was also the practice of the Hebrew scribes destroying old copies to keep them from being corrupted by unbelievers. This would cause the originals to perish. 4.The nation Israel, with all of the upheavals they faced, made it difficult to protect the ancient manuscripts from destruction. We also have one example of a king of Judah destroying the original writing of Jeremiah. 2nd article; A QUICK COMPARISON OF BIBLE VERSIONS, Wrote; In 1604, England's King James I authorized a new translation of the Bible aimed at settling some thorny religious differences in his kingdom—and solidifying his own power. But in seeking to prove his own supremacy, King James ended up democratizing the Bible instead. King James Version is still the most accurate bible translation and the best on the planet! The problem with the NIV is that is not a great translation. It uses paraphrase a lot. Sometimes a literal translation is lost on the readers. It is often said that all Bible versions are basically the same, that their differences are just minor wording changes. Read the following comparison between the King James Version and the best-selling modern Bible translation, the New International Version, and then decide for yourself whether or not this is true. This is only a very small sampling of the many changes between these versions. For a much more complete discussion of how the New International Version attacks the deity of Christ, and cuts away at the foundations of the Christian church, read "If the Foundations Be Destroyed" by Chick Salliby My note is; It easy to understand why the Prophet Mohammad was not in the Bible versions |
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The Quran says:
And the one who has brought the truth and those who embrace it — it is they who are the righteous. They will have whatever they desire with their Lord. That is the reward of the good-doers. As such, God will absolve them of ˹even˺ the worst of what they did and reward them according to the best of what they used to do. The Bible holds out the promise of Paradise on earth. In it, God will bless mankind with everlasting life. Harmony and peace will prevail. Pain and suffering will be gone. And people will be able to enjoy to the full the natural wonders of planet earth.—Isaiah 65:21-23. |
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QUOTE: Yes, a volcano must be hell on earth but I believe there are different types of volcanoes some mainly ash, other lava, etc. I remember the Quran being an easy and somewhat fun read but it definitely has a different theology than other spiritual texts focusing MORE on violence and threats of this nature. In the Quran there is a balance between enticing with the mercy of God, in everything, and intimidating His anger and torment, which everyone who turns away from guidance deserves. The Quran mentioned the word “heaven” and its derivatives 147 times. Hell and its derivatives were mentioned 145 times The Quran urges righteous deeds. Examples: Encouraging worshiping God: All the prophets called on people to unify and worship God. Encouragement to pray and almsgiving : God said: "(Let your concern be to) establish the Prayer in conformity with its conditions and pay the Prescribed Purifying Alms. Whatever good you send ahead (to your future life in this world and the next) for your own souls, you will find it with God. Whatever (good or evil) you do, surely God sees it well. Encouragement to repent: God said: "Say, ˹O Prophet, that Lord says,˺ “O My servants who have exceeded the limits against their souls! Do not lose hope in God’s mercy, for God certainly forgives all sins. He is indeed the All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Encouraging Paradise: God said: "God has promised men and women who believe gardens with streams of running water where they will abide forever, and beautiful mansions in the Garden of Eden, and the blessings of God above all. That will be happiness supreme." Encouragement to believe in the Last Day: Intimidation It is the threat of punishment for a sin that God forbids, or negligence in fulfilling an obligation that God has commanded. God promises every misguided dishonor in this world, and torment in the hereafter. Intimidation includes: God said: "So if they fail to respond to you, then know that they only follow their desires. And who could be more astray than those who follow their desires with no guidance from God? Surely God does not guide the wrongdoing people. " The intimidation of Hellfire: God said: 'Believers, guard yourselves and your kindred against a Fire whose fuel is human beings and stones, a Fire held in the charge of fierce and stern angels who never disobey what He has commanded them, and always do what they are bidden.' The object of intimidation is to fear God and obey Him. |
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Vesuvius volcano erupted in 79, led to the destruction and burial of the Roman cities of Pompeii, Herculaneum, and several other settlements, southern Italy. Many city residents tried to flee in sea boats, but gases, ash, and volcanic eruptions buried them all. The two cities were completely destroyed, and lay under a layer of volcanic ash more than six meters thick. These two cities remained buried for a period of 1700 years, until they were found and the volcanic layers were removed from them by historical scholars, so that people could see the effects of the destruction of the Vesuvius volcano.
After the devastating revolution of Vesuvius, it calmed down for a period of 1500 years, but returned to revolt in 1631 and killed at that time 18000 people. The volcano Etna is currently erupting, sending small volcanic stones and ash into the city of Sicily. Many people was lied the Prophets and killed Jesus. They said the Prophet Muhammad is a magician. The Quran said to Muhammad: If you are rejected by them, so too were messengers before you. And to Lord ˹all˺ matters will be returned ˹for judgment˺. The Quran said to unbelievers: ''– then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.'' The unbelievers will see the fire of Hell, which resembles a volcano, and they will say: “My Lord, send me back, In order that I may work righteousness in the things I neglected.'' Quran. |
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QUOTE: Source of both unholy book is not god at all. You need to understand a lot. Both books were not written by jesus or Mohammad. Do a little research. Bible was changed by king James 400 years ago. There were 100s of Bibles based on Gospels, and there were 100s of Gospels. Seeing this king James took it upon himself and created KJV king james version. How the Quran was written? Gabriel used to reveal verses to the Prophet Muhammad during his prophecy that lasted (23) years. The verses were revealed gradually. Dozens of his companions were famous writers of revelation in his life. The Prophet urged writing and memorizing Quranic verses. It was written on palm fronds, skins, and white-flat stones, in addition to being preserved by the companions of the Prophet. Most of these copies were not arranged symmetrically. The verses were collected in one book and were arranged as approved by the Prophet. It is the full version, currently approved all over the world. Printing the Quran Then the Quran was printed in Italy for the first time in Venice in 1537 or 1538, then the Hamburgh edition in 1694 by a German, Ebrahami Hincklmani, who belonged to the Protestant sect. Then in 1698, edition of Batavia by Italian monk Ludvico Marracei Lucersi. In 1787, Moulay Othman supervised an edition. In 1848, another edition appeared in "Kazan" supervised by Muhammad Shakir Ugli. And so on..
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Since the source of these Holy books is one God, then there must be similarities between them.
Some Examples Quran: We have already written in the book [of Psalms] after the [previous] mention that the land [of Paradise] is inherited by My righteous servants. Bible: The righteous will inherit the land and dwell in it forever. Psalms 37:29 Quran; He it is Who gave the sun radiance and the moon light, and determined the stages (of the moon) that you may learn the calculation of years and the reckoning of time. God has created all this with a rightful purpose (rather than out of play). He expounds His signs for the people who know. Bible; Then God commanded, “Let lights appear in the sky to separate day from night and to show the time when days, years, and religious festivals begin. Genesis 1:14 Quran: And those who, having done something to be ashamed of, or wronged their own souls, earnestly bring Lord to mind, and ask for forgiveness for their sins,- and who can forgive sins except God? Bible; Who can forgive sins but God alone? Mark 2:7 Quran: Mankind! Fear your Lord and dread a Day whereon no father shall atone for his son, and no son shall atone for his father at all. Bible: The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. Ezekiel 18:20 If you like it, give more examples. |
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Lot in Quran and Bible
QUOTE: QUOTE: Is there a point to your post? I am interested, but not quite sure how to respond? ![]() The story of Prophet Lot teaches a lesson: 1. That evils like stealing, killing and homosexuality brings God’s wrath on people. 2. That we should strive to become self righteous as God promised to save Sodomites if there were ten righteous men in Sodom. 3. That every individual is accountable for his own acts. As Prophet Lot's wife despite of being a wife of the prophet, could not be saved from the wrath of God, due to her disbelief. 4. That God look after the righteous and in the end only the wicked would be overthrown. |
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Lot in Quran and Bible
It is believed that Lot lived 175 years. He was born in 1861 BC in Ur Babylon, Iraq, and died 1686 BC
His people lived in the city of Sodom, south of the Dead Sea, on the border between Palestine and Jordan. They used to worship idols and cross the path, so they would not let a traveler pass their way unless they attacked him and stole his money. The men had sex with men. God Almighty sent them Prophet Lot to guide them to worship God alone and to refrain from immorality. (Quran) when We sent Lot [as a Messenger to his people and he said to them: 'You approach men lustfully in place of women. You are a people who exceed all bounds.' But they did not respond to the commands of God only a few of his household believed with him, and his wife did not believe. God sent angels to the Prophet Lot, the angels was on the form of physical men. Lot's wife told the people that there are guests in Lot's house. The people came to his house wanting these guests. But Lot refused. (Quran); Their answer was: 'Banish them from your town. They are a people who pretend to be pure.' They broke the door of the house to enter by force. The angels said; We are angels to protect you from them, so they chopped the people with a handful of dust that caused their blindness. Lot and his family left the village except his wife, who did not believe in his message. (Quran) We let loose a shower [of stones] upon them, Observe, then, the end of the evil-doers. We delivered Lot and his households save. In the Bible Lot was a righteous man. Two angels who took the form of physical men, .. were sent by Abraham’s Lord to confirm the destruction of Sodom.[Genesis 18:20] As soon as Lot and his daughters made it to Zoar, at daybreak, the heavens opened up raining down fire and sulfur upon the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah until they were completely and utterly destroyed, including all surrounding properties.[v.23-25] |
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Where Is Heaven ???????
Some denominations teach that one enters heaven at the moment of death, while others teach that this occurs at a later time (the Last Judgment). Some Christians maintain that entry into Heaven a waits such time as "When the form of this world has passed away."
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Where Is Heaven ???????
The Quran used the word Barzakh to indicate that there is another world that every dead person passes through: Behold! When death approaches one of them (- the rebellious ones) he says (making entreaties repeatedly), `Send me back, My Lord! Send me back, that I may do righteous (deeds) which I failed to do (in the worldly life).' `Never, that can never be,' (is the answer he receives). It is but a word (of excuse) which he utters. And there is a Barzakh which they shall remain till the day when they shall be raised to life (again).
The Barzakh (isthmus) is the grave from death until the Day of Resurrection. When the deceased is placed in his grave, two angels receive him and ask him. If he was good one, he will be honored, but if he is bad, then he is tortured. In the Methodist Church, "hades denotes the intermediate state of souls between death and the general resurrection," which is divided into Paradise (for the righteous) and Gehenna (for the wicked). Hades, according to various Christian denominations, is "the place or state of departed spirits". |
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Where Is Heaven ???????
Quran says:
Beware of the day when this earth will be changed into another earth and the heavens (as well shall be superseded by other heavens) and they (all people) shall appear before God, the One, the Most Supreme. After the end of this world, the Day of Resurrection will come. On this Day of Judgment, the people will be asked about their good and bad deeds. The witnesses will be: God and the Prophet of every nation, body parts, angels, a Book records for every person, and the earth. |
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What about Korah
Quran says; Musa (Moses) came to Qarun (Korah), Fir'aun (Pharaoh), and Haman, with clear (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), but they were arrogant in the land, and they called (Moses): "A sorcerer, a liar!".
Korah was Moses’ cousin. He was Minister of Hebrews Affairs to Pharaoh. He was one of the richest men on children of Israel. He had so many wealth that the boxes of the wealth were so heavy that a group of strong men needed to carry them. Korah went forth before his people in his pomp. Those who were desirous of the life of the world, said: "Ah, would that we had the like of what (Korah) has been given? Verily! He is the owner of a great fortune." Wise people said to Korah: "Do not be glad (with ungratefulness to God's Favors). Verily! God likes not those who are with ungratefulness to God's Favors. Then God buried Korah and his wealth and treasures into the earth and he had none of his group to help him against God nor could he save himself. Those who had wished themselves to be alike (Korah) said, “It is only God Who expands provision on His creatures as He likes and contracts on whom He chooses. Had not God obliged us (by keeping our provisions contacted) we would have been likewise buried. Bible indicates that Korah rebelled against Moses along with 249 co-conspirators and were punished for their rebellion when God sent fire from heaven to consume all 250 of them. The Bible says: Moses said to Korah, “You and all your followers are to appear before the LORD tomorrow—you and they and Aaron. Each man is to take his censer and put incense in it—250 censers in all—and present it before the LORD. You and Aaron are to present your censers also.” So each of them took his censer, put burning coals and incense in it, and stood with Moses and Aaron at the entrance to the tent of meeting. When Korah had gathered all his followers in opposition to them at the entrance to the tent of meeting, the glory of the LORD appeared to the entire assembly. The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “Separate yourselves from this assembly so I can put an end to them at once.” |
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Gods are real or fake.??
QUOTE: So, my question is , which Mary is it? The Virgin Mary Imran, the father of Mary and her mother, Hanna, was one of the most devout people, so when she Hanna got pregnant, she vowed what was in her womb for the sake of serving the Holy Jerusalem. The reason for this vow is that Mary's mother was very old and did not give birth, so she intended to warn her pregnancy, purely for the sake of God. Imran died while Henna was pregnant. It is well known that males work in the service of Jerusalem, but Mary came as a girl, so her mother was saddened by her vow, which she could not fulfill, but her Lord accepted her with a good acceptance, and God made good care of Mary, and what God takes care of is well-educated. The Prophet Zechariah sponsored her where she grew up in his home, and was conserving her interests. ''So her Lord accepted her with good acceptance and caused her to grow in a good manner and put her in the care of Zechariah. Every time Zechariah entered upon her in the prayer chamber, he found with her provision. He said, "O Mary, from where is this [coming] to you?" She said, "It is from God. Indeed, Lord provides for whom He wills without account." Quran. |
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The question presupposes that the universe had an actual starting point, but one might just as well assume the universe always was and always will be. In that case, there would be no beginning whatsoever — just an ever-evolving story of which we’re catching a mere glimpse.
By 1982, Vilenkin had a realization of his own: The process of inflation had to be eternal, meaning that once it started, it never fully stopped. Inflation might end abruptly in one region of space, such as the one we inhabit, but it would continue elsewhere, setting off a never-ending series of big bangs. Each bang would correspond to the birth of a separate “pocket” universe, which might be pictured as an expanding bubble — one of countless bubbles floating around within the “multiverse,” as it’s sometimes called. “We have very good evidence that there was a Big Bang, so the universe as we know it almost certainly started some 14 billion years ago. But was that the absolute beginning, or was there something before it?” asks Alexander Vilenkin, a cosmologist at Tufts University near Boston. It seems like the kind of question that can never be truly answered because every time someone proposes a solution, someone else can keep asking the annoying question: What happened before that? In the Bible: “O Sovereign LORD! You made the heavens and earth by your strong hand and powerful arm. Nothing is too hard for you! The Quran mentioned that: 'We have made the heavens with Our own hands and We expanded it'. Some people say that the Prophet Muhammed, wrote the Quran, it is not from God! Did Muhammed a cosmologist with modern devices and spacecraft to know this fact? |
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QUOTE: Are we talking about My God or Your God? My God does have a physical body. Its called the Universe and we all exist inside it. Have you not considered the one who argued with Abraham about his Lord? When Abraham said, “My Lord brings up the sun from the east, so bring it up from the west.” So the disbeliever was overwhelmed [by astonishment], and God does not guide the wrongdoing people''. Quran |
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Blessed be He (God) Who sent down the criterion (of right and wrong, i.e. this Quran) to His worshiper (Muhammad) to be a warning/notice to the creations all together/( mankind of the universe). Quran .
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