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Topic: questions!!!!
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Fri 01/18/08 03:07 PM
my philosophy professor once came in class and wrote the following question on the board: "what was God doing before starting to create the universe?" it was a quiz!!! i thought maybe i could have your opinion if you think it is worth it to answer!!! thx i am looking forward to have some feedback from y'll.

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Fri 01/18/08 03:08 PM
sleep

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Fri 01/18/08 03:14 PM
Considering there is not a god as the religions paint him, nothing.

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Fri 01/18/08 03:17 PM
God created the universe. Since we know that time cannot exist without space and space cannot exist without time, we know that time and space coterminus, therefore, God created time. Knowing this, any question of what God will do before creation has no valid answer, because time as we understand it didn't exist before creation. In other words, there cannot be a before creation as humans understand the concept of time.

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Fri 01/18/08 03:19 PM

God created the universe. Since we know that time cannot exist without space and space cannot exist without time, we know that time and space coterminus, therefore, God created time. Knowing this, any question of what God will do before creation has no valid answer, because time as we understand it didn't exist before creation. In other words, there cannot be a before creation as humans understand the concept of time.


Spoil sport!

laugh laugh laugh bigsmile

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Fri 01/18/08 03:21 PM
My guess is he was smoking some... Whatever he smokes to make him all messed up...

Then he got an idea:

"Dude, some pretty lights and a bunch of noise would be really cool right now..."

Next thing you know, the Old Man snapped his fingers and BOOM!... creation.

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Fri 01/18/08 03:23 PM
It's a presuppositional nightmare of a question! So many hidden premises!

Define God. Prove God exists. Prove God is able to do anything much less create the universe. Prove the universe was created in the first place. Without these in place, you can't formulate a valid argument. Therefore, the question itself is invalid.

That's what I would've told your professor. drinker That, and will this be on the final? happy

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Fri 01/18/08 03:23 PM

God created the universe. Since we know that time cannot exist without space and space cannot exist without time, we know that time and space coterminus, therefore, God created time. Knowing this, any question of what God will do before creation has no valid answer, because time as we understand it didn't exist before creation. In other words, there cannot be a before creation as humans understand the concept of time.


Sounds good to me

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Fri 01/18/08 03:43 PM

My guess is he was smoking some... Whatever he smokes to make him all messed up...

Then he got an idea:

"Dude, some pretty lights and a bunch of noise would be really cool right now..."

Next thing you know, the Old Man snapped his fingers and BOOM!... creation.
: its is funny cuz many of came up with lots of weird ideas we laughed a lot after that
u got a good one right here thx dude!

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Fri 01/18/08 03:49 PM
Edited by samtee68 on Fri 01/18/08 03:51 PM
Right before he created mankind, he was trying to watch the game and his wife kept nagging about how he doesn't do anything with her and it would be nice if she had some kids to take care of to keep her busy. And fix up this place man! It's a mess!

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Fri 01/18/08 03:53 PM

God created the universe. Since we know that time cannot exist without space and space cannot exist without time, we know that time and space coterminus, therefore, God created time. Knowing this, any question of what God will do before creation has no valid answer, because time as we understand it didn't exist before creation. In other words, there cannot be a before creation as humans understand the concept of time.


More presuppositionalism. Your basic argument consists of time and space exist and are meaningfully linked, therefore God created time. The philosophy professor would call that a non sequitur. flowerforyou

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Fri 01/18/08 03:59 PM


God created the universe. Since we know that time cannot exist without space and space cannot exist without time, we know that time and space coterminus, therefore, God created time. Knowing this, any question of what God will do before creation has no valid answer, because time as we understand it didn't exist before creation. In other words, there cannot be a before creation as humans understand the concept of time.


More presuppositionalism. Your basic argument consists of time and space exist and are meaningfully linked, therefore God created time. The philosophy professor would call that a non sequitur. flowerforyou


Read the question.


what was God doing before starting to create the universe?"


The assumption is made in the question that God created the universe. Therefore, God existed before the universe. Time, as we know it, must exist in unison with space. Stating that time and space are codependent is simply stating facts as we understand them. What I posted wasn't a non-sequitur, but thanks for the flower anyways.

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Fri 01/18/08 04:10 PM
TO Spider:

Erroneous. The first thing you stated was God created the universe which is your presupposition. The non sequitur is you stating "therefore, God created time" which doesn't follow from the previous claim you made about space and time. You never said that "the universe" is only space and time. That's why your counter argument is erroneous. Thanks.

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Fri 01/18/08 04:18 PM

The non sequitur is you stating "therefore, God created time" which doesn't follow from the previous claim you made about space and time. You never said that "the universe" is only space and time.


I have no idea what you are trying to say. Universe means "one word". The concept of "universe" is that the universe is everything that exist. Therefore, if space cannot exist without time (according to science!) and time cannot exist without space (according to science!) and the universe is composed of space and time (according to science!), God must have created both space and time. Not sure what you are trying to say, but what I posted is correct according to science as we understand it. Thanks.

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Fri 01/18/08 04:22 PM
See what you started Jwell? Troublemaker!!
laugh bigsmile

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Fri 01/18/08 04:26 PM

See what you started Jwell? Troublemaker!!
laugh bigsmile
ahaha religion is definitely some to avoid huh? but it cool as long as it is a constructive exchange i think we are all cool

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Fri 01/18/08 04:31 PM
:tongue:

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Fri 01/18/08 04:35 PM

:tongue:
when i see your picture i feel like you are actually laughing at me right now, and it is funny!!:smile:

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Fri 01/18/08 04:37 PM
TO Spider:

Ok, let me get this straight. God created the universe. If the universe is everything that exists (I guess we're just talking physical), then space and time are properties of the universe. Time and space are coterminous, therefore God created time.

I guess it's just the logical fallacy of begging the question since the proposition you want to prove is already explicitly implied in your premise. Sorry for the misunderstanding, Spider. My mistake. Thanks. drinker

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Fri 01/18/08 04:37 PM

"what was God doing before starting to create the universe?"


Probably indulging in sins of the flesh when no one was around to catch him. bigsmile

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