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If it was strictly a dream state, a lot of people have had a "collective lucid waking dream state" when they've watched the spirit rise up and out at the time of another's death. and the collective can also tell how they all had a dream that they could see theirselves as they walked in a public place naked ... Nooooo - that visual is for speeches to calm nerves or somethin similar 
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this thread is about questions that the religious will just close their minds to and refuse to answer or just afraid to answer because it will question their suppose faith or question that they just can't answer rationally ..here's the first one
according to believers logic, God had to have created the universe because the universe couldn't have popped out of nothingness and create itself .....so therefore do the same logic apply to the creator if the answer is no then could you explain why with a rational explanation |
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Originally posted by Abracadabra: Funches, May I ask if you have ever done any transcendental mediation? Originally posted by Funches: it's really just a "New Age" belief ..with the same trappings as religion...not being able to describe it in words...unseen and incomprehensible ..and the biggest thing is not being able to supply any significant knowledge from the experience Originally posted by Dragoness The significant knowledge from the experience is self. It is core of self. It is the energy at the core of self. Thoughts and emotions are but the outer shell of this energy. It is the energy of life. It is hard to explain but the inner knowledge you get from it is more influencial than any other knowledge you will ever have. Knowing how to just be. Just to be. Not be all your thoughts, not be all your emotions, not be what you do or say, not be your judgements, etc...... I know I am not explaining it well. I never have taken any classes in advanced science or philosophy. I have never done transendental meditation or if I did I did not know that is what I did. I searched the reaches of myself and discovered it in me. I too like abra, recommend it for those who have never had the experience. It is not frightening or confusing. You just learn how to be, just be. All you are required to do is just be. No higher power to tell you right from wrong. No moral judgements from others. No influences from logical thought or crazy emotions. You are just there in that space and time and it is good. You will feel an energy when you reach the point of just being. This is the energy I speak of. You will feel it flowing into you and out of you. I know I am sounding crazy as a loon here but I am really trying to explain. "Dragoness" what it sounds like you and Abracadabra are describing is "Bio-Feed Back" meditation techniques because to enter a realm where there is no thought then how long do you stay there and wouldn't it take thought to think about that while you are in that realm of no thought ..also to enter other realms of consciousness and not retain any significant knowledge may suggest that it's imagination |
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Edited by
MindOfChrist
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Sun 01/27/08 06:30 AM
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Perhaps you are just not getting the answer you want. They is no way that we are able to have proof of any answer, even your own that you could give. That is why everything according to this has the word "Theory" labeled to it.
Cause and effect is a law. For every effect there is something that caused it. Was it God, Is it that matter has always existed and it spreads out and then is sucked up all together to only explode and do everything all over again with likely different outcome that no one will ever know of all erased for ever, and this this will happen again and again for all of eternity. |
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If it was strictly a dream state, a lot of people have had a "collective lucid waking dream state" when they've watched the spirit rise up and out at the time of another's death. and the collective can also tell how they all had a dream that they could see theirselves as they walked in a public place naked ... Nooooo - that visual is for speeches to calm nerves or somethin similar and "feisty wench" that why when people wake up from that type of dream they don't claim it as being a religious experience |
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sorry im going to get in trouble for this but i think its all a load of tosh...we are here..live and love life enjoy and believe in yourself
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sorry im going to get in trouble for this but i think its all a load of tosh...we are here..live and love life enjoy and believe in yourself I do not think you ought to get in trouble at all. I would add beleive and love each other, make the most out of your life. Dont be afraid to live your dream. |
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Perhaps you are just not getting the answer you want. They is no way that we are able to have proof of any answer, if man can figure out what 2+2= and supply proof and a rational explaination then there may also exist rational replies to other questions ..remember MindofChrist you have to keep an open mind "hint" "hint" |
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exactly hun agree totally ...just think you could ponder and ponder over why what whom and where..never going to get an answer, and meditating...well mite as well sleep...get the same results
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sorry im going to get in trouble for this but i think its all a load of tosh...we are here..live and love life enjoy and believe in yourself believe in yourself?... "to believe is to doubt" ..funches 3:16 "DebbieJT" it's best to "know" yourself |
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same thing to me hun..i know and believe in myself ...just mixing words
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If it was strictly a dream state, a lot of people have had a "collective lucid waking dream state" when they've watched the spirit rise up and out at the time of another's death. and the collective can also tell how they all had a dream that they could see theirselves as they walked in a public place naked ... Nooooo - that visual is for speeches to calm nerves or somethin similar and "feisty wench" that why when people wake up from that type of dream they don't claim it as being a religious experience It is if they experience an "Oh GOD" moment. Sorry feral, okay, I'll behave now. |
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I gotta give credit where credit is due. You and Abra have explained it about as well as most people can. I have tried transcendental mediation, so far I have been unsuccessful, I believe this is due in part by my tendency to ground myself to the physical world. Science shows us that all things are energy on some level, it also shows us that energy never ends, but instead changes form. So if one where to consider God not as a seperate entity, but insead as a state of being within ones self.To find God one must only look within their selves. "nadius" it sounds like you are saying that MAN IS GOD |
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same thing to me hun..i know and believe in myself ...just mixing words know and believe means you don't "know" so DebbieJT do you "believe" you exist or do you "know" you exist |
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jee erm let me just just check ..oh no im not really here lol funches hun i know im here but do i believe you are there, noooooooooooooo lol ...
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jee erm let me just just check ..oh no im not really here lol funches hun i know im here but do i believe you are there, noooooooooooooo lol ... you're right I could be a profile you placed here ..and that's why one can only prove the existence of theirselves to theirselves and no one else and why I asked you the question...do you believe you exist or know you exist...some people answered both |
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No God wants us to believe in Him, and so forth the faith given to us allows us to do so. God is the eternity. No beginning, no end. It is by Faith that we believe, it doesn't have to be attached to logic. ..er.."sealove42" to say that faith doesn't have to be logic makes your answer to the original question irrational |
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If it was strictly a dream state, a lot of people have had a "collective lucid waking dream state" when they've watched the spirit rise up and out at the time of another's death. and the collective can also tell how they all had a dream that they could see theirselves as they walked in a public place naked ... Nooooo - that visual is for speeches to calm nerves or somethin similar and "feisty wench" that why when people wake up from that type of dream they don't claim it as being a religious experience It is if they experience an "Oh GOD" moment. Sorry feral, okay, I'll behave now. which may suggest the dream was phallically symbolic |
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If it was strictly a dream state, a lot of people have had a "collective lucid waking dream state" when they've watched the spirit rise up and out at the time of another's death. and the collective can also tell how they all had a dream that they could see theirselves as they walked in a public place naked ... Nooooo - that visual is for speeches to calm nerves or somethin similar and "feisty wench" that why when people wake up from that type of dream they don't claim it as being a religious experience It is if they experience an "Oh GOD" moment. Sorry feral, okay, I'll behave now. which may suggest the dream was phallically symbolic Wow, a Freudian response from Father Funches? I must be dreaming! |
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Edited by
MindOfChrist
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Sun 01/27/08 09:12 AM
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Perhaps you are just not getting the answer you want. They is no way that we are able to have proof of any answer, if man can figure out what 2+2= and supply proof and a rational explaination then there may also exist rational replies to other questions ..remember MindofChrist you have to keep an open mind "hint" "hint" Yet what is 2, it is nothing, 2 itself does not exist except if there is two of something. 2+2=4 doesn't work except that if they represent some "thing". And also they have to be "things" of equal value. We teach our children that 2+2+4, but shouldn't they ask 2 of what. Maybe 2+2=4 should be taught to our children as 2(a)+2(a)=4(a) with a note that "a" represents anything of equal value or type; for otherwise we are adding a bunch of nothing. Yet have we not accepted on faith that 2 is always 2 of something yet of what none of us really know. |
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