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Topic: Say What, Barrack?
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Tue 03/04/08 03:37 PM
By Paul R. Hollrah

Tuning in to C-Span recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr. He was standing in the pulpit of a black church in Selma, Alabama, and as I studied the body language of the dozen or so black ministers standing behind the senator, I couldn't help but be reminded of the little head-bobbing dolls that people used to place in the rear windows of their 1957 Chevrolets. If their reactions are any indication, the new "Schlickmeister" of the Democrat Party is actually a pretty accomplished public speaker.

However, as he spoke, I found my b.s. alarm going off, repeatedly. But I couldn't quite figure out why until I actually read excerpts of his speech several days later. Here's part of what he said:

"...something happened back here in Selma, Alabama. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called, "ripples of hope all around the world." Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry, looking after somebody else's children.

"When (black) men who had PhD's decided 'that's enough' and 'we're going to stand up for our dignity,' that sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance.

"So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an airlift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great- grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that, (in) the world as it has been, it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. Was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama."

Okay, so what's wrong with that? It all sounds good. But is it?

Obama told his audience that, because some folks had the ourage to "march across a bridge" in Selma, Alabama, his mother, a white woman from Kansas, and his father, a black Muslim from Africa, took heart. It gave them the courage to get married and have a child. The problem with that haracterization is that Barrack Obama, Jr., was born on August 4, 1961, while the first of three marches across that bridge in Selma didn't occur until March 7, 1965, at least five years after Obama's parents met.

Obama went on to tell his audience that the Kennedys, Jack and Bobby, decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barrack Obama, Sr., to America.

The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So if this African grandfather heard words that ''sent a shout across oceans,'' inspiring him to send his goat-herder son to America, it was not a Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, nor his brother Bobby, it was a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

''Life's tough.....it's even tougher if you're stupid.''
~ John Wayne

Obama's speech is reminiscent of Al Gore's claim of having invented the Internet, Hillary Clinton's claim of having been named after the first man to climb Mt. Everest, even though she was born five years and seven months before Sir Edmund climbed the mountain, and John Kerry's imaginary trip to Cambodia.

As one of my black friends, Eddie Huff, has said, "We need to ask some very serious questions of the senator from Illinois. It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, and it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye, will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince."


boredinaz06's photo
Tue 03/04/08 03:44 PM
drinker drinker drinker

titandriver's photo
Tue 03/04/08 03:51 PM
I LIVE in SELMA,ALABAMA!--And do you know that not one single person from this city was allowed to attend the speach at the Brown A.M.E Chapel that Obama gave--OR the speach that Hilary gave---the entire attendance was made up of people brought in from elsewhere---even the people that are members of that church were not allowed to attend!

armydoc4u's photo
Tue 03/04/08 03:51 PM
Forge.........

damn.

its good to know someone looks into FACTS. Ive heard some of that before but not all of it.

good looking out.


doc

Drivinmenutz's photo
Tue 03/04/08 05:34 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Tue 03/04/08 05:34 PM
why does this not surprise me? Good work Forge. Cheersdrinker drinker drinker

mnhiker's photo
Tue 03/04/08 10:41 PM

By Paul R. Hollrah

Tuning in to C-Span recently, I found myself listening to a speech by Senator Barrack Hussein Obama, Jr. He was standing in the pulpit of a black church in Selma, Alabama, and as I studied the body language of the dozen or so black ministers standing behind the senator, I couldn't help but be reminded of the little head-bobbing dolls that people used to place in the rear windows of their 1957 Chevrolets. If their reactions are any indication, the new "Schlickmeister" of the Democrat Party is actually a pretty accomplished public speaker.

However, as he spoke, I found my b.s. alarm going off, repeatedly. But I couldn't quite figure out why until I actually read excerpts of his speech several days later. Here's part of what he said:

"...something happened back here in Selma, Alabama. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called, "ripples of hope all around the world." Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry, looking after somebody else's children.

"When (black) men who had PhD's decided 'that's enough' and 'we're going to stand up for our dignity,' that sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance.

"So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an airlift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great- grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that, (in) the world as it has been, it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. Was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama."

Okay, so what's wrong with that? It all sounds good. But is it?

Obama told his audience that, because some folks had the ourage to "march across a bridge" in Selma, Alabama, his mother, a white woman from Kansas, and his father, a black Muslim from Africa, took heart. It gave them the courage to get married and have a child. The problem with that haracterization is that Barrack Obama, Jr., was born on August 4, 1961, while the first of three marches across that bridge in Selma didn't occur until March 7, 1965, at least five years after Obama's parents met.

Obama went on to tell his audience that the Kennedys, Jack and Bobby, decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barrack Obama, Sr., to America.

The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So if this African grandfather heard words that ''sent a shout across oceans,'' inspiring him to send his goat-herder son to America, it was not a Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, nor his brother Bobby, it was a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

''Life's tough.....it's even tougher if you're stupid.''
~ John Wayne

Obama's speech is reminiscent of Al Gore's claim of having invented the Internet, Hillary Clinton's claim of having been named after the first man to climb Mt. Everest, even though she was born five years and seven months before Sir Edmund climbed the mountain, and John Kerry's imaginary trip to Cambodia.

As one of my black friends, Eddie Huff, has said, "We need to ask some very serious questions of the senator from Illinois. It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, and it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye, will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince."




More cut and paste. Where's adj4u or leahmarie to object to all this cutting and pasting?

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Tue 03/04/08 10:56 PM
ahh but this is cutting and pasting with independent thought mixed in. see theres a differencebigsmile bigsmile That and forge is not constantly doing the cut and past thing.

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Tue 03/04/08 11:13 PM
Edited by mnhiker on Tue 03/04/08 11:15 PM

ahh but this is cutting and pasting with independent thought mixed in. see theres a differencebigsmile bigsmile That and forge is not constantly doing the cut and past thing.


I didn't see one independent thought in that first post, just cut and paste.

He did name the source, I'll give him that.

All I'm saying is if cutting and pasting is to be shunned, then it should apply equally to all, not just to those you disagree with.

gardenforge's photo
Tue 03/04/08 11:27 PM
Ah the typical liberal socialist argument. When the facts of the article don't reflect favorably on your candidate then start with the nit picking. Yeah it was a cut and paste article but it was a TRUE cut and paste article. Obama is a Bull**** salesman with amouth full of samples and people are beginning to realize it. laugh: All the nitpicking and whinning in the world won't change that . laugh laugh

mnhiker's photo
Tue 03/04/08 11:44 PM
Edited by mnhiker on Tue 03/04/08 11:47 PM

Ah the typical liberal socialist argument. When the facts of the article don't reflect favorably on your candidate then start with the nit picking. Yeah it was a cut and paste article but it was a TRUE cut and paste article. Obama is a Bull**** salesman with amouth full of samples and people are beginning to realize it. laugh: All the nitpicking and whinning in the world won't change that . laugh laugh


OK, there you go again. Throwing out labels such as liberal and socialist is really lame, a very weak argument and the typical bullshyt from you.

Can't we have an intelligent discussion here?

I didn't comment on whether or not the article was true, and that wasn't the point I was making.

But that's what you get for assuming, I guess.

The point I was trying to make is that people get all hot under the collar when madisonman, dragoness or anyone else who doesn't conform to your mindset cuts and pastes, but you're hypocritical in that you don't follow the rule yourself.

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Tue 03/04/08 11:48 PM
mnhiker......

More cut and paste. Where's adj4u or leahmarie to object to all this cutting and pasting?
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Now I know why you don't cut and paste, you're afraid of me! laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 03/04/08 11:50 PM

ahh but this is cutting and pasting with independent thought mixed in. see theres a differencebigsmile bigsmile That and forge is not constantly doing the cut and past thing.



I have no problem with this type of cut and pasting since, as the poster above indicated, there are independent thoughts mixed in. Additionally, I don't ever remember gardenforge cutting and pasting before.

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Tue 03/04/08 11:52 PM
Edited by rayne5 on Tue 03/04/08 11:53 PM


ahh but this is cutting and pasting with independent thought mixed in. see theres a differencebigsmile bigsmile That and forge is not constantly doing the cut and past thing.


I didn't see one independent thought in that first post, just cut and paste.

He did name the source, I'll give him that.

All I'm saying is if cutting and pasting is to be shunned, then it should apply equally to all, not just to those you disagree with.


sorry I was reading it in a hurry and missunderstood the parts explaining what was wrong with the speach, i thought it was forge explaineing. That being said there is a difference between cutting and pasting every once in a while and cutting and pasting every post you make.

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Tue 03/04/08 11:55 PM



ahh but this is cutting and pasting with independent thought mixed in. see theres a differencebigsmile bigsmile That and forge is not constantly doing the cut and past thing.


I didn't see one independent thought in that first post, just cut and paste.

He did name the source, I'll give him that.

All I'm saying is if cutting and pasting is to be shunned, then it should apply equally to all, not just to those you disagree with.


sorry I was reading it in a hurry and missunderstood the parts explaining what was wrong with the speach, i thought it was forge explaineing. That being said there is a difference between cutting and pasting every once in a while and cutting and pasting every post you make.


I guess I can agree with that. bigsmile

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Wed 03/05/08 12:00 AM


ahh but this is cutting and pasting with independent thought mixed in. see theres a differencebigsmile bigsmile That and forge is not constantly doing the cut and past thing.



I have no problem with this type of cut and pasting since, as the poster above indicated, there are independent thoughts mixed in. Additionally, I don't ever remember gardenforge cutting and pasting before.


I'm not sure where the independent thoughts mixed in are in the first post. I didn't see any. Or were you referring the the subsequent replies?

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Wed 03/05/08 12:07 AM



ahh but this is cutting and pasting with independent thought mixed in. see theres a differencebigsmile bigsmile That and forge is not constantly doing the cut and past thing.



I have no problem with this type of cut and pasting since, as the poster above indicated, there are independent thoughts mixed in. Additionally, I don't ever remember gardenforge cutting and pasting before.


I'm not sure where the independent thoughts mixed in are in the first post. I didn't see any. Or were you referring the the subsequent replies?


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mnhiker......

I am taking it that the non-quoted sections are gardenforge's thoughts, and the quoted sections are the cut/paste portion. Take another look at it .... maybe I am wrong?

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Wed 03/05/08 12:12 AM




ahh but this is cutting and pasting with independent thought mixed in. see theres a differencebigsmile bigsmile That and forge is not constantly doing the cut and past thing.



I have no problem with this type of cut and pasting since, as the poster above indicated, there are independent thoughts mixed in. Additionally, I don't ever remember gardenforge cutting and pasting before.


I'm not sure where the independent thoughts mixed in are in the first post. I didn't see any. Or were you referring the the subsequent replies?


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mnhiker......

I am taking it that the non-quoted sections are gardenforge's thoughts, and the quoted sections are the cut/paste portion. Take another look at it .... maybe I am wrong?


leahmarie,

To me it looked entirely like Paul R. Hollrah's article with a John Wayne quote thrown in for effect.

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Wed 03/05/08 12:14 AM
mnhiker..... Darn! You got me again! laugh I misunderstood those quotes.

mnhiker's photo
Wed 03/05/08 12:17 AM

mnhiker..... Darn! You got me again! laugh I misunderstood those quotes.


That's ok. We all make mistakes sometimes. laugh laugh

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Wed 03/05/08 04:31 AM
okat cutting copying and pasting, I have been guilty as charged lately throwing it back into the faces of the madster dragoon, having said that Hiker, whats your take of the substance of this post?

Just curious because you never did say.



doc

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