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Vermont Argues Iraq War Is "Mission Expired"
By Terry J. Allen In These Times Thursday 20 March 2008 Vermont legislators are demanding that all of its National Guard troops be sent home from Iraq. While Congress runs out the clock on President Bush's Iraq War, some Vermont legislators hope to spark a state-by-state movement to quickly withdraw National Guard troops and stanch the flow of blood and treasure. On Jan. 30, state House members, soon followed by state senators, introduced legislation that called on Vermont's Republican Gov. Jim Douglas to take "all necessary steps" to bring home, as quickly as possible, all members of the Vermont National Guard serving in Iraq. Rather than arguing whether launching the war was legal or even just, supporters of the bill tacitly concede that Congress' 2002 Authorization to Use Military Force gave Bush the authority to invade Iraq based on two-and only two-criteria: "(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and (2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq." But today, Saddam Hussein and the specter of weapons of mass destruction are both dead; there is no national security threat; and the U.N. resolutions are no longer relevant, the bill's supporters say. "That very specific mission does not exist today," says state Rep. Michael Fisher (D-Lincoln), who introduced the House bill. And when the mission expired, so too did any legal or constitutional basis for the war or the involvement of the Vermont National Guard, the bill states. "The president no longer has the authorization to command our Vermont National Guard units," says Fisher. "It's bait and switch," says constitutional legal scholar Peter Teachout, about the shifting mission rationales. "If they want troops there until the last suicide bomber has blown himself to kingdom come, they need to be specific." If the Democratic-controlled Vermont legislature passes the bill, the governor would have to sign it. The legislation would then have to survive a court challenge. A veto seems likely as Gov. Douglas is a supporter of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). As for a lawsuit, "there is no court in the country that would issue an order requiring withdrawal of troops mid-deployment," says Teachout. But there are legal precedents, albeit unsuccessful ones, for governors resisting orders to deploy their state's Guard troops. In 1986, then-Gov. Madeleine Kunin joined a five-state effort to stop the Reagan administration from sending Vermont's Army National Guard to Honduras. In 1990, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Perpich v. Department of Defense that governors cannot block a call-up of the National Guard for service overseas. That precedent was limited because, unlike the current challenge, it did not rest on the illegality of the war, some Vermont Democrats argue. Despite its slim prospects, Fisher insists the bill is more than symbolic: "It may cause a ripple that develops into a larger wave that helps clarify that states do have a role in controlling their National Guard troops, especially when a war effort is illegal." "If other states join in, it might light a fire under Congress," says Teachout. Already, legislators in Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Wisconsin are exploring ways to stoke the flame. While both sides talk mainly about lives and national security, money circles the Vermont debate. State Rep. Patricia O'Donnell (R-Vernon) points out that if Vermont withdrew the Guards, Washington might withdraw the $3 million it contributes to maintaining Vermont's units. Democrats counter that states are already bearing much of the burden of budgets cuts necessitated by the pricey occupation. At a January press conference, House Speaker Gaye Symington (D-Jericho) said the war in Iraq has had a heavy impact on Vermont and has led to financial cuts in Medicaid and other areas. The cost also comes in blood. Vermont has one of the highest per capita death rates in Iraq. The state has tried various strategies to oppose the Iraq War. In February 2007, the legislature approved a non-binding resolution to bring home all the troops. And on March 4, citizens at a Brattleboro, Vt., town meeting passed a resolution calling for its local police to arrest and indict Bush and Vice President **** Cheney for war crimes. The town of Marlboro, Vt., passed a similar measure. With Vermont still the only state Bush has never visited, it is unlikely either town will see a presidential perp walk. -------- ![]() |
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sad to say this is completely absurd. people need to research laws before they make outragious claims about what is going on and whats not.
first off it takes a court order to put out a warrant, you really think any judge in his right mind would put out a warrant for the president? seriously, i doubt it can even be done. now what cop in his right mind is gonna try and pull over the president and arrest him? gee lets get shot by secret service, there's a smart idea! second, bush has authority over every single branch of the armed forces, national guard and all till the day he steps down as president so where does this little tid bit come from? fairy tale land? vermont and no other state has the capability nor the authority to even claim it can remove it's own national guard. frankly this sickens me, people posting this kind of crap sicken me. you may not like the war, you may not like bush, hell i don't but damn this is your country here, those are your troops over there. maybe try a little support for a change instead of posting this idiotic slander huh? if you don't like whats going on try voting in some quality people into the government for a change, try putting your voice into something that could actually make a difference instead of putting up threads about how this guy is going that, thats not actually happening. all in all get a life. |
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Edited by
crickstergo
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Mon 03/24/08 12:30 PM
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http://www.victoriousamerica.com
And this is why we must never let missions such as Iraq expire. |
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not even gonna touch anything else... but the president is just a man, he is subject to all the same laws as any other. if there was to be a warrant or crime commited, he would have to face up to it just as any other citizen of this country
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I am supportive of the troops, I want them to come home and stop being pawns in this illegal endeavor we have allowed.
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smart people in vermont, stupid people in washington
sadly the stupid are the ones who rule. |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Mon 03/24/08 04:24 PM
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troops are being sent home little by little as we speak. Iraq is now 85% controled by the Iraqi military. Yes, the surge worked. Soldiers are accomplishing their mission. To pull out now (large scale) would be the saddest thing we could do at this point. It would render all efforts worthless. EVERYONE would suffer all the negative consequences without being given the opportunity to recieve the benefits. Our enemies would be stronger turning into the left wing's self fullfilling prophecy.
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troops are being sent home little by little as we speak. Iraq is now 85% controled by the Iraqi military. Yes, the surge worked. Soldiers are accomplishing their mission. To pull out now (large scale) would be the saddest thing we could do at this point. It would render all efforts worthless. EVERYONE would suffer all the negative consequences without being given the opportunity to recieve the benefits. Our enemies would be stronger turning into the left wing's self fullfilling prophecy. I agree. I'd still like to see a gradual draw down at some point. It's time for the Iraqis to take more control of the security of their country. |
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not even gonna touch anything else... but the president is just a man, he is subject to all the same laws as any other. if there was to be a warrant or crime commited, he would have to face up to it just as any other citizen of this country for once we agree toasted. it's a draw this time ![]() ![]() |
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<----still listens to what the ones over there say about it and not those who haven't been over there
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