In childhood, I attended Baptist church, and the values I already held somewhere were just explained in more complete detail for me. Since then, I have found those values in one way or another in any christian church I have attended, regardless of nomination. I consider myself Christian.

I want the charges of obstruction of justice(intimidating witnesses, etc) and abuse of power (using position for personal favors) fully examined.

I heard that. In the news conference, however, which happened the same day as the vote to impeach, all I actually HEARD her say was that they were not making a choice about that YET, which sounds reasonably like they are actually going to make an INFORMED choice instead of just appeasing press with quick soundbytes.

how about withholding taxpayer money from others in return for personal favors?

how serious would it have to be? Murder?

Can we get Trump to be struck mute? That would just lift up alot of stress, for me personally. The man opens his mouth and almost always says something fabricated, untrue, divisive, or repulsive. Ugh. Did you hear his latest implying someone's spouse went to hell? Putting down McCain for being a POW(at least he didn't dodge with 'bone spurs'). Insulting a veterans mother for an assumption that she is muslim?

Hand on heart, I really hope this man is actually senile instead of just completely morally bankrupt.


He carries on like a spoiled school yard bully. Sadly, he got away with it all of his 'professional' career, and looks like he will again in his political one.

It doesnt matter really. In my lifetime, it has been 'my party, right or wrong'. The President's party never votes against them or votes them out. Senate is republican, they will not impeach.

I do not revere the founding fathers as much as some. I do not feel the constitution is framed in very specific detail and can be very ambiguous and with so much room for 'discretion' by courts and politicians.

What is a high crime or misdemeanor? Lying about an affair? Implying you want a foreign government to interfere with elections or assist in your personal political campaign? I do not personally think a congress will ever remove a white male president. Just my opinion though. And what is the point. If they screw up in four years, just don't re-elect them. My two cents

rights and responsibilities go hand in hand, imho. There is no absolute right that applies always and no matter what. Details matter. Where one person's rights end and another begins is not so black and white. Expecting some responsibility within those rights is, imho, what makes us 'civilized'.

Nowhere does it say God 'hates' sinners. If that were so, we would not all have the gift of repentance.

But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. Matthew 9:13

Jesus sacrifice would not happen if God 'hated' sinners.

He does love to take 'credit'.

Obamas first fiscal year black unemployment was at 17.3 and had dropped to 14.1 by his fourth fiscal year's end and dropped to 6.8 percent by his final fiscal year budget

Trump entered his first fiscal year with black unemployment at 8.2 percent, and in this, his third fiscal year, it has dropped to 5.1 percent. And the trend that begun UNDER Obama continued.

Part of the effort to prevent a depression was the result of the work the Federal Reserve did. Part of the effort was part of the Obama administration in that Obama had some very good people and he let them do their job. I doubt if the legislation Obama and the democrats pushed through helped much - it was more of an excuse to send taxpayer funds to selected groups of people.

Actually the financial crisis started around 2006 with a combination of government policy and greed and was based in the housing market. This resulted in too many over extended homeowners that were not able to weather the economic downturn of 2006 and 2007. Without the high demand, the value of housing fell and banks got stuck with foreclosed properties worth less than the mortgage. Then there were the investment vehicles that were based on the underlying mortgages that lost value. Many of those losses were covered by insurance until the insurance companies failed, then the financial system collapsed!


Thank you for the additional input. Obama was facing a prolonged recession, almost a depression. And Bush was facing 9/11. My point was that, comparably, Trump had little to deal with or do or overcome, and IMHO, he managed to mess up still by the appearance of using the office as his personal pocketbook.

Okay. I guess I just do not see it that way. I see people owning MANY guns, so that right seems safe. I see people speaking out about EVERYTHING, so that right seems safe as well. I see paying for property, even taxes, as still having the right to own it.

from prisonpolicy.org


It’s true that police, prosecutors, and judges continue to punish people harshly for nothing more than drug possession. Drug offenses still account for the incarceration of almost half a million people, and nonviolent drug convictions remain a defining feature of the federal prison system.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2019.html


thats about 20 percent of those incarcerated

Can you give examples of any of those things changing and who is given special status?

spoken like a true brainwashed liberal democrat




what part was brainwashing? that we were headed to a depression?

from Investopedia

In economics, a depression is commonly defined as an extreme recession that lasts three or more years or leads to a decline in real gross domestic product (GDP) of at least 10 percent.

A recession is a normal part of the business cycle that generally occurs when GDP contracts for at least two quarters.

GDP growth 2004 was 3.8
for 2005, it was 3.5
in 2006, it was 2.9
in 2007, it was 1.9
in 2008, it was NEGATIVE 0.1
in 2009, it NEGATIVE 2.5

https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-year-3305543,

FIVE YEARS OF CONTRACTING GDP LEADING TO A DECLINE IN GDP OF 6.3 percent,

...like I said, heading for depression
ANd of course, 9/11 happened in 2001, eight months into Bush presidency

so again I ask, what part is 'brainwashing'? Because all I posted was verifiable and re-searchable fact.

Article II, Section 153 of the city charter:


SEC. 153. URINATION AND DEFECATION.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to deposit or cause to be deposited any human urine or feces upon any public or private highway or road, including any portion of the right-of-way thereof, or in or upon any private property into or upon which the public is admitted by easement or license, or upon any private property without the consent of the owner, or in or upon any public property other than property designated or set aside for that purpose.

(b) Penalty. Any person who shall violate the provisions of this Section shall be guilty of an infraction, the penalty for which shall be a fine which shall be not less than $50 nor more than $500.

(c) The Department of Public Works shall work with other City Departments to post and update on the City's website a list of the locations and hours of operation of all available City-operated restroom facilities.

(d) Exemption. Persons who violate this ordinance due to verified medical conditions shall be exempt from the enforcement provisions of this ordinance.




Plastic straws illegal unless requested under California bill — with up to a $1,000 fine attached. A bill proposed in California would make it illegal for restaurant servers to give guests plastic straws unless requested — with the threat of a $1,000 fine or jail time attached.Jan 29, 2018

I am not sure, however, that our 'rights' ever said anything regarding straws or poop though.

I do not believe the constitution has been amended in my lifetime. I remember them changing the drinking age, which didn't affect me much as a non drinker. I remember them adding protections for transexuals as well. Other than that, I cannot think of any major changes or any right I was born with and do not still have.

I think the winds were knocked out of the sails of dems when someone as qualified and experienced as Clinton lost to the real estate mogul/reality tv star. I do not think either party will have a candidate as fit for the position, but in the days when fitness for the position is not as important as personal popularity, catchy soundbytes, faux outrage, and fame, it will be hard to figure out what is needed for a candidate to have the winning chance and for us to still uphold some integrity with an actual qualified and experienced POTUS over the Executive Branch.


I really like Tom Steyer, but I would not vote for him at this point because I do not think political experience should be gained in the White House, but earned prior to getting there. I would love him to run for a different position and get the government experience before becoming POTUS. Of course, if we are only left with two candidates with no prior experience, he would be my choice.

I do not feel as if my rights have gone anywhere that they can be taken 'back' from.