Pure propaganda.......

As if they care about the constitution, they've already shown they don't in how they flagrantly tear it to pieces with each new law they put on the books.

I believe you need the reality check.....fact is, whether you want to believe it or not, they care nothing for your rights, god given or otherwise, just their own power and control. If you let them, they will take just about every last one you have away. Doesn't matter whether you agree with that "assumption" or not, it will happen, history has shown it with any dictatorship. Leave power unchecked and it will consume the people it is supposed to be governing.

Even now we are already less free than we were just 20-30 years ago. These things do not happen over night, they are a gradual thing. You may not think they can do certain things now, but there's a lot of things people didn't think would happen, that did with time because of that lack of paying attention. We must be vigilant if we want our freedom. If we aren't, we will lose it.

And yet by removing weapons from the RESPONSIBLE people, which is what WILL happen if you let them start to regulate your guns, you make them LESS safe than if they had it to protect themselves in the first place. I believe that's called bass ackwards.

This. It's the same reason it wasn't publicized much that the Oregon shooter a few days before the shooting at the school, was confronted by a man in the mall who had a license to carry a concealed weapon, and though he wasn't shot at (guy didn't want to shoot someone innocent behind him), he shot himself not long after. These things simply don't fit the anti-gun agenda they are trying to push down the throat of the brainwashed masses.

you won't be saying that one day, I assure you......but best of luck dude.

Amen, and also.....the lawmakers would sure like you to THINK their laws will eradicate crime......it's how they get away with their BS.

Because one day you MAY be......it's easy to say you have nothing to fear when you're not the one targeted, but if their power is left unchecked eventually you will be too. That's why they need to be watched, and why you should care, maybe more than ever before now.

Then you only have yourself to blame if someone comes after you, because you allowed yourself to be put into the position to make it happen. I'm sorry but I just think it's insanity to do that, and what if the criminal in question wants to kill you? what about that? It's not just "lesser" crimes that can be deterred by the presence of a weapon.......is a criminal's life more sacred than those lives affected by those bigger ones?

And I'll say it again, you can't legislate based on assumptions or what ifs. There's what ifs and risks involved with everything, doesn't mean the answer is to ban.

so what's the better option? do nothing, or rely on police to handle it when they may well fail you? life isn't always simple msharmony I am sorry to tell you, sometimes you have to do what you have to do to defend yourself and your property.

and also......as far as the death thing goes.....firstly it's not always about killing the person, it's more them KNOWING you could or could wound them that is the thing. Obviously you don't want to have to, but if you have that ability you are much more likely to deter them from coming after you than if you do not.

And regardless I will say it again, if you do the crime, you get no sympathy from me. Your right to be protected ends where you cross someone elses rights. At that point you deserve what you get.

Also about crossfire, you can make the same argument for cops here, but they still are allowed to carry a gun aren't they? If they can use a gun to defend themselves or someone else why can't we? Again life is just not simple.....the bystander thing sucks but it can happen, it's not a good enough reason to take away everyone's right to self defense based on potential alone.

Same, and sad thing is it's getting that way here too, my friend's cousin got into trouble once over something similar to that a long time ago.

The one being attacked needs the protection more than the attacker, bottom line.

Here's the thing though.....once you give the government the right to regulate one thing....you open the door immediately to them regulating something else. You cannot give them that chance, because history has proven many times over for those who actually know it that they NEVER stop with one thing. Guns, ESPECIALLY guns given that they can be used against them.....would be no different.

Furthermore here, I have to comment on this.....I generally stay away from these topics around here anymore but I can't not say something about this. You said:

"and England may be an example where crime in general went up, because maybe people arent scared their crimes will get them killed

but thats not a negative to me, as Im not an advocate of people losing their lives over things like stealing or trespassing,,, "

So you're seriously going to tell me.....that when the option is give the criminal a serious deterrent to committing a crime knowing he or she could be risking their life in the process or having nothing at all to keep them from doing it basically....you'd rather have nothing? Really? There's no words for how absolutely insane that is, truly.

When you commit a crime or try to commit one, your right to be protected ends right there.....if you get shot and die, that's your own fault, should have thought about that consequence before you decided to do whatever you were trying to do.

It is sad it happens that way at times? Yes, but the person brought it on themselves when they tried to commit the crime in the first place. Don't wanna die, then don't do the crime simple as that. Is it crude? Maybe so, but why should we be at all sympathetic to someone who chose to rob or steal? They made the mistake, so they need to deal with it.

He did have a match you know......involving Punk as well, the collapse came after. It was so eerie as a sidenote listening to him struggle to breath as that occurred, really really eerie.

I agree though he is too old for this....he supposedly wrestles independently a lot too, and harder.

Yes but the problem becomes when we take that "source" and make it into a gospel when it really should not be one, such as with the Bible. We believe far too much on certain things than we really should be.

I built up to running 3 miles this summer, first time I ever ran, am rather proud of it.

Oh that's a load of crap! The law OPENLY discriminates against same sex couples as they cannot legally be together in the way a straight couple can be.

How the hell would YOU like it if we told you you couldn't marry another man because it goes against our beliefs of what is right and moral?

Put yourself in their shoes for a second, then maybe you might understand just why this is a problem.

That is not to mention the fact that a gay or lesbian can STILL have and raise a child in other ways if they so choose. So the idea that they can't have kids falls flat regardless. They may not be able to do it the traditional way, but they still can.

But not everyone WANTS or has the desire to commit to the opposite sex! You are in effect telling them their love is not as good as yours because they don't love the same way, and trying to use YOUR morality to dictate what they legally can or cannot do. I don't care how you wanna try and justify it, it is flat wrong. Live and let live, it's not hard.

I just will ask one question, why are you people so threatened by two people who love each other wanting to marry for? Is that gonna REALLY affect your own marriages? Leave your dogma behind for a second, what they do is NOT gonna impact your lives unless you let them. Period.

Simple common sense, and also looking back into history (which we are WOEFULLY ignorant of), we CANNOT keep sustaining things as they are we just can't. It WILL break at some point, it's happened before (see Great Depression) and it will happen again. Whether people wanna believe that or not really makes no difference, we will ALL be faced with the cold hard reality sooner or later. And if we're not prepared it will be that much harder to accept. Pride comes before the fall...

amen.